VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Uriel ☁]

I'm really surprised that it's a contentious topic considering that, without exaggeration, every single significant bad thing that happens to the protagonist over the course of the story so far falls into one of two camps:
A) Things directly caused by Ella
B) Things indirectly caused by Ella

Yes, she also sometimes acts helpful, and no, we don't know if her ultimate goal is benevolent, but I could say roughly the same thing about Valravn and he was literally on his way to the nearest orphanage planning to eat all of the children when the MC took him down. I can understand liking Ella as a character, thinking the story is more interesting if MC is amicable with her, and/or thinking she's hot, but I don't understand how someone could think she's not evil. Not only is she evil, but she is currently the main villain of the game.

Ella is the living enbodiment of "survival of the fittest".
She's the only characters that KNOWS something unprecedented and apocalyptic is about to happen (probably is already happening while we're in the monster world), and humanity HAS to shape up if they want a fighting chance.

If she didn't act you would still continue your clueless life and die miserably in a year or so, like the rest of the world.

All the deaths and suffering she has directly and indirectly caused are nothing compared to what would've happened otherwise. If she could press a button and kill 5 random people to save another 10, she would smash that button.

She even knew she would die if she proceeded with her plan, and still went for it.

I disagree on your claims of villainy. She's the main hero of the game.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Ella is the living enbodiment of "survival of the fittest".
She's the only characters that KNOWS something unprecedented and apocalyptic is about to happen (probably is already happening while we're in the monster world), and humanity HAS to shape up if they want a fighting chance.

If she didn't act you would still continue your clueless life and die miserably in a year or so, like the rest of the world.

All the deaths and suffering she has directly and indirectly caused are nothing compared to what would've happened otherwise. If she could press a button and kill 5 random people to save another 10, she would smash that button.

She even knew she would die if she proceeded with her plan, and still went for it.

I disagree on your claims of villainy. She's the main hero of the game.

Ella has her reasons, which are understandable, but do not put her on a pedestal like some kind of inevitable martyr. Monsters are dime a dozen(Hope it's spelled like that), and if the big guys wouldn't get the MC infected, some other quite probably would. She is in no way benevolent or working for better cause; she is quite likely the one being that pushes the coming of the apostoles aka the game over screen, she warped (using hexenringe) onto the world sizable percent of monsters that came to it in the last quite a few years. And she behaves, and just is, a self-centered cunt.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

My logic is that MC's mom died before the game starts so it doesn't count as haven taken place "over the course of the story." She's also technically not responsible for MC getting captured by Klaus, but only because MC managed to independently pick a fight with him for reasons outside of Ella's meddling. Unless she's the one who told Klaus that MC is weak to electricity which honestly doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility. She is, however, directly responsible for making the MC fight Jake, Daryll, and Cole, and for Daryll turning into a monster. She is indirectly responsible for him having to fight Kenny and Valravn, and everything related to S.I.N is her indirectly fault too since her talk Langdon makes it pretty clear that the organization never could have gotten off the ground without her.

Klaus is Ella's fault too. She's the one that tipped him off about MC. That's along with the whole diner thing with Tiffany.

Okay I can agree with everything else, but Cole fought us because he wanted to bang Ella and didn't like how she turned him down. I'm not sure I would consider that even indirectly responsible for our fight, its just Cole being his usual dipfuck self.

It is indirect. She baited Cole into being wary of MC after he joined HERO. Saying that if he doesn't get stronger soon, MC is going to surpass him. Even alluding to him potential dying. She then made sure to send Cole to the TV interview while MC was there after stirring the pot. You can blame Cole's ego and immaturity, but Ella undoubtedly added fuel to it intentionally.

This is not directed to you. But we got to stop this narrative of Ella's vague ass goal being some ultimate save humanity better than anything else option. We don't even know if that's even her goal in the first place or if she can even achieve it without MC help. With Apostles, Arbiters, Outer Twins and other gods out there that dwarf her in power and knowledge. Without heavy plot armor carrying her, it's not achievable. Especially not by herself with no help at all.

Hell, why should MC even care about her end goal in the first place? She doesn't tell him anything about it. Only a dumbass would follow someone else's plan without know anything. In fact, if MC didn't find her doll, her plan would've ended right there and all of this shit she caused would've amount to nothing. As MC had one of the vials needed to revive her. Without it, she couldn't come back in time without help.

 

[DefaultNK]

Okay I can agree with everything else, but Cole fought us because he wanted to bang Ella and didn't like how she turned him down. I'm not sure I would consider that even indirectly responsible for our fight, its just Cole being his usual dipfuck self.

Cole fights the MC because Ella told him exactly what she needed to in order for Cole to hate the MC badly enough to want to kill him on sight and I don't think that was at all accidental. She's fully aware of Cole's violent nature and his infatuation with her and it's not like she's too dumb to understand what would happen if she told Cole that MC is her Chosen.

She's the only characters that KNOWS something unprecedented and apocalyptic is about to happen (probably is already happening while we're in the monster world), and humanity HAS to shape up if they want a fighting chance.

First of all, I will point out again that I can use the exact same "greater good" shtick to make Monster Guy Who Literally Eats the Hearts of the Innocent sound heroic. Second, you're assuming Ella isn't the one CAUSING the unprecedented apocalyptic thing, which isn't absolute but there are definitely suggestions that she is. Third, even if we assume she has nothing to do with it, she's the only one that knows because she refuses to tell anyone else about it.

 

[Ddlc]

This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

That's the trick though. We're not allowed to know her plan. Which is why it's weird that so many people are running off of it having to be good because she said so. Not even Deus implying that it needs to happen, proves it good. Because he could also be referring to his own goal being achieved afterwards.

I don't even care if Ella's evil or not. I just think it's dumb to cheer on a plan that we know almost nothing about like she's some ultimate, infallible savior. She's not even the strongest character in the game. Hell, she doesn't even make the Top 20 of known characters in power. Having blind faith in someone like that is crazy. At least with the 4th, she's an Apostle and beyond all monsters and superhumans, currently.

With how selfish and cagey Ella is about her plan, it better not be some Infinity War Thanos level fuckery. Where his plan was dumb when you look at the multiple alternatives. He rather destroy half of all life in the universe instead of just making more resources or even going as far as making the universe Infinite, if it wasn't already.

 

[shujuku]

This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.

Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.

First, Ella will be remade into Edward.
Edward loves to rape.
Edward goes and rapes innocent people
Edward makes other people attack the rape victims
Edward summons hordes of rapists to rape people
Edward dies the death of a dog


People on f95 claiming Edward was a real hero and died a true martyr.

just fucking lol

 

[Nexum768]

Ella is innocent! dont listen to people who say otherwise

 

[DefaultNK]

Klaus is Ella's fault too. She's the one that tipped him off about MC. That's along with the whole diner thing with Tiffany.

Funny thing about that. The diner ambush and Tiffany's subsequent blackmail are on her, but the rest of the mob war plotline is not. Ella did give Klaus information with the explicit intent to get the two of them to eventually fight, but MC shows up at the casino working for Alice before he gets around to acting on that info (he was very busy). Their subsequent conflict is a result of the ongoing mob war which MC joined on Alice's side and more specifically him winning/stealing the prize from the poker game that night. Ella, for all of her manipulations, had absolutely nothing to do with any of that, it was all MC acting on his own. She gave info to Klaus because she wanted the fight to happen, but things still would have played out basically the exact same way if she hadn't.

Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.

Pretty priviledge is an unstoppable force. If Jake was a nerdy fat girl who became a gigastacy when she evolved and the rest of her story played out exactly the same way, everyone would pick the option to spare him at the end. If Cole was a bisexual yandere goth girl there would be about 90% fewer posts bitching about how MC didn't kill him. (65% fewer posts if femCole was a lesbian instead)

 

[InkAndSaliva]

Ella may not be innocent, but she is best girl. Looking forward to becoming a supervillain power couple.

 

[harem.king]

Pretty priviledge is an unstoppable force. If Jake was a nerdy fat girl who became a gigastacy when she evolved and the rest of her story played out exactly the same way, everyone would pick the option to spare him at the end. If Cole was a bisexual yandere goth girl there would be about 90% fewer posts bitching about how MC didn't kill him. (65% fewer posts if femCole was a lesbian instead)

pussy privilege at its finest.

... also damn those two girls you described sound delicious.

 

[Nexum768]

This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.

Tbh I like ella not just cause shes hot her hearts kinda in the right place methods are hella crazy but the way shes nurturing MC is for his own good if he doesnt get strong enough the people around him and himself will die. As for the betterment for the world thing it really depends she was behind making some superhumans etc and I believe if she could she'd make her friends (Emilly,Christie?) superhumans if she knew they could handle it for their own sake cause if monsters are gonna start invading and getting freaky lots of people are gonna die prolly only a few will survive if they arent strong enough (Level 5s would probably be the exception to this).
Its just a morality thing if she can sacrifice a few for the good of the majority believe she would if it aligns with her goals

Nerd point emoji

 

[Nexum768]

Ella may not be innocent, but she is best girl. Looking forward to becoming a supervillain power couple.

BASED TAKE! ella or emily by far the best girls

 

[Nexum768]

I have a feeling shopkeep is #1 in the universe just look at his outfit this man is a unstoppable with his drip

 

[Grimnir098]

Monsters are dime a dozen(Hope it's spelled like that), and if the big guys wouldn't get the MC infected, some other quite probably would.

The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.

 

[JicioJ]

The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.

Thats something I don't get, if MC ís infected by either Memory or Body, why does he get both traits? Is it because the apostles want to or because of MC almost 50/50 genetics. If Michael, infected by Power, had, let's say, 70/30 Power and Aether, would he be able to manifest some Aether powers?

 

[TheShelly]

Thats something I don't get, if MC ís infected by either Memory or Body, why does he get both traits? Is it because the apostles want to or because of MC almost 50/50 genetics. If Michael, infected by Power, had, let's say, 70/30 Power and Aether, would he be able to manifest some Aether powers?

MC gets both traits on purpose. Its said that the 4th specifically wants a half-and-half spawn, and that her brother would be the only one willing to go along with and not immediately murder the MC for not being pure enough. So no, Michael wouldnt get any Aether-linaege powers.

 

[Gtdead]

The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.

In the grand scheme of things, that's not necessarily true even if you are potentially correct in saying this.
There's enough evidence to suggest that Ella is also a half and half, or at least close.

1. Ella says that she and MC are the same.
2. Ella has dealings with Memory who wants a half and half.
3. Ella is deemed a failure by Memory, not Body.
4. Ella says that she was "never good with Memory", which points to having some, probably minuscule, part of the trait.

Ella has obviously a better version of the Body trait than MC, but if we go by compatibility percentages, she shouldn't be that much more compatible, not to the point of being a prodigy like she is presented to be.
There's also the idea that Apostle spawns are fundamentally different which may affect how this thing works. There's a good chance that MC with only a single trait would be significantly better at it, despite his 50-50 genetic makeup.

In any case, after lurking a bit on the streams and asking WW about stuff like that, it seems like a lot of things are either intentionally misleading or just plain wrong. Syla's words should not be taken seriously without confirmation from another source.

 

[shujuku]

Pussy has blinded the masses.

 

[Nexum768]

The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.

Pretty much people like kenny would prolly cook our mc

In the grand scheme of things, that's not necessarily true even if you are potentially correct in saying this.
There's enough evidence to suggest that Ella is also a half and half, or at least close.

1. Ella says that she and MC are the same.
2. Ella has dealings with Memory who wants a half and half.
3. Ella is deemed a failure by Memory, not Body.
4. Ella says that she was "never good with Memory", which points to having some, probably minuscule, part of the trait.

Ella has obviously a better version of the Body trait than MC, but if we go by compatibility percentages, she shouldn't be that much more compatible, not to the point of being a prodigy like she is presented to be.
There's also the idea that Apostle spawns are fundamentally different which may affect how this thing works. There's a good chance that MC with only a single trait would be significantly better at it, despite his 50-50 genetic makeup.

In any case, after lurking a bit on the streams and asking WW about stuff like that, it seems like a lot of things are either intentionally misleading or just plain wrong. Syla's words should not be taken seriously without confirmation from another source.

Feels like MC has potential for his body trait to be better than ellas? in one of the endings right before you die she says something about him already being perfect not sure if that relates to his body or memory trait