OnlineRando

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One of the monsters hunts has you go after a memory monster, and Nico wanted you to engage it first because it may have made a copy of Malik if she did. I think it was said that the limitation was the power reserves of the creator.
That's true, but I meant in the sense that Syla's Eiseth seemed awfully fragile when you consider that one of Eiseth's greatest weapons is arguably her survivability. Syla's copies, meanwhile, break easily, so I think that might have limited her ability to use Eiseth effectively.
 

obibobi

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That's true, but I meant in the sense that Syla's Eiseth seemed awfully fragile when you consider that one of Eiseth's greatest weapons is arguably her survivability. Syla's copies, meanwhile, break easily, so I think that might have limited her ability to use Eiseth effectively.
Maybe but I think more so that moment was to highlight Indra's overwhelming power, he say's himself that she's throwing opponents at him he's bested. It wasn't to give him drawn out battles but to show his clear superiority.

I also wouldn't say her survivability is her greatest weapon, at that level they are all incredibly difficult to kill, she survived in a very similar method to the MC's mom, willing the attack to have had no affect.
 
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Just because THESE kids happened to have super powers, does not make it suddenly ok for the hobo to rob children with a knife.
He deserves the death penalty for that, and in some countries would receive the death penalty. At which point, as a condemned, he was an ideal subject for a lesson.
There are countries in which rudely talking to your superior will get you in front of the firing squad, by the letter of the law. This is no argument, most civilized countries do not have death penalty at all. For the deserving part, I don't think trying to steal a bike from a kid sets one to be killed off by any margin. Threatening to get violent and harming a kid - oh, THAT may be, but he got put on his ass and left, maybe taught something. So, for me at least, at best he MAY deserve death, not is set to it. But I understand your point well, just I have much forgiving mindset.

But my point still stands about Ella, who didn't killed him for that, not even according to herself (I played this part again to refresh my memory). She killed him because he was stinking, and was the last person to negatively interact with her, indirectly but still. Not even to show the ability to transform others, she says she intended to show MC that anyway, even before he came. And when MC has a problem with that, to quote Ella "Yeah? Why do you care? It's just a fucking human."

The more I am in this debate about Ella being or not being just evil, the more I check and recollect the game, the worse she is than I originally thought.
 
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Strength Eaters and Undines, what monster is the undines? i don't remember that one
I don't think we've actually seen them, just told that they were in the force field Malik was trapped in. Based on the name they would have water powers (an undine is a water spirit), which would have been useful for teaming with Strength Eaters.
 

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I don't think we've actually seen them, just told that they were in the force field Malik was trapped in. Based on the name they would have water powers (an undine is a water spirit), which would have been useful for teaming with Strength Eaters.
They *do* actually appear, later on in the game, during the Twins arc.
 

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But my point still stands about Ella, who didn't killed him for that, not even according to herself (I played this part again to refresh my memory). She killed him because he was stinking, and was the last person to negatively interact with her, indirectly but still. Not even to show the ability to transform others, she says she intended to show MC that anyway, even before he came. And when MC has a problem with that, to quote Ella "Yeah? Why do you care? It's just a fucking human."
Yeah, because everyone knows Ella doesn't lie, and it's not as if someone might obfuscate their reason for doing something if that reason could be perceived as a vulnerability, especially if they're an abuse victim.

I suggest you take a step back from this and think clearly. If you go looking for reasons to hate someone, you'll find them.
 
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Yeah, because everyone knows Ella doesn't lie, and it's not as if someone might obfuscate their reason for doing something if that reason could be perceived as a vulnerability, especially if they're an abuse victim.

I suggest you take a step back from this and think clearly. If you go looking for reasons to hate someone, you'll find them.
So her lying or not depends on specific situation and it outcome to fit into your opinion about her? ok. I don't hate the character, it's well written and entertaining, just evil.
 

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So her lying or not depends on specific situation and it outcome to fit into your opinion about her? ok. I don't hate the character, it's well written and entertaining, just evil.
Yes... whether someone is likely lying is completely dependent on the specific situation. Why are you acting incredulous? Do you not understand how and why people lie, or something?

If it's so obvious Ella wasn't lying here, then you can just explain why.
I don't understand why you continue to digress so you can undermine my character.
Actually, I know do why, it's because you have no argument but you can't accept that you're wrong.
 

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If you remember Ella with Heat and the others digging deep into the earth they uncover two shackled monsters, one of those was the Strength Eater
I have no clue what youre on about. Are you referring to Goliath and Valravn? Who is 'Heat'? Do you mean Cole?
 

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Man, remember when all the Ella haters raged about how "she killed children" (exactly the same age as her) back in the day.
and it was pure speculation that she killed them.

then we find out what happened that year, it wasn't even ella who killed them.
she was literally possessed by a higher entity that called ella a failure and said it will harvest those people as resources to upgrade/fix ella with.
then ella literally stabbed herself (after using willpower to wrench partial control back) to disrupt her evolution/fixing (giving up power in the process) in order to end the possession early to stop it from killing her friend

None of the ella haters who wrote entire essays about how Ella is "literally Hitler" for MuRdErInG ChIlDrEn ever apologized nor admitted they were wrong.
They just pivoted into other excuses for hating her.
 

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Man, remember when all the Ella simps raged about how "she didn't killed children" (exactly the same age as her) back in the day.
and it was pure speculation that she didn't killed them.

then we find out what happened that year, it was ella who killed them.
she was literally not possessed by a higher entity beforehand that called ella a failure and said it will harvest those people as resources to upgrade/fix ella with. Something she knew before hand
then ella only stabbed herself (after not trying at all) to disrupt her evolution/fixing (giving up power in the process) in order to end the possession early to stop it from killing only her friend and no one else

None of the ella simps who wrote entire essays about how Ella is "literally jesus" for sTaNDiNG uP to the bIG bAD possessor ever stop dick riding nor admitted they were wrong.
They just pivoted into other excuses to not blame her for being there in the first place.
 

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I'd say you were correct if Authority was the control over everything. However, the existence of Order and the other "higher" powers, as well as the twin gods render that pretty unlikely. Authority, just like all the other apostles, supposedly comes from one of the twin gods splitting themselves, and isn't the parent of the other apostles.

Authority is quite literally authority in the same sense that a ruler has authority over their subjects. That is the simplest definition of authority there is.
But in that case why did Ella tell the Mc Jake's powers are too focused on people, when he visited her at her orphanage? Authority only works on people and while Jake might not have been very creative using his powers, he was regularly using them. After all he only had a bit less power than the MC at the time. Her statement to the Mc at the orphanage didn't seem to imply a lack of effort in being creative but a lack of the proper mindset to use his powers. Which doesn't make sense if his powers only work on people.
 
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