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Basically me.Ella tells me to stop being nice and that no stratagem will work against her, only raw strength.
My goody two shoes MC: Now I'm going to have to be even nicer and use all sorts of stratagems to beat you.
Basically me.Ella tells me to stop being nice and that no stratagem will work against her, only raw strength.
My goody two shoes MC: Now I'm going to have to be even nicer and use all sorts of stratagems to beat you.
Gonna "tortue" & kill her laterElla best girl. You CAN'T change my mind. Still can't quite put my finger on what she's after, but I suspect it's something huge.
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Gonna be a brave new world soon.
One of my favorite scenes is when you are having sex with ella and she asks if you regret it... you can go all "I didn't ask for it"Ella best girl. You CAN'T change my mind. Still can't quite put my finger on what she's after, but I suspect it's something huge.
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Gonna be a brave new world soon.
Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect youWe dont know why she wants you to be stronger though even if she wants to take it we dont know if that is for her own personal gain or if shes doing it because she thinks its the best way to beat whatever the "final boss"ends up being. Even more so now since she is at her final evolution and has also told us that once you hit it you dont gain any new powers its just how you use them.
No matter how you feel about it if MC is the one to kill her we are very likely to be given a choice in the matter so she needs to somehow be redeemed in universe (unless MC tells everyone he saved her just for sex). She is far from my favorite character so I dont really care how her story ends but I also recognize that (in the good boi route) unless she is directly attacking MC friends MC will get to choose to spare her.
Thinking back MC is the only one who has gotten two and Ella even sees that there are two (as well as MC saying them instead of it) but doesn't seem to care at all. The only other time two monsters has been mentioned was to Micheal and that was just taking another pill if he killed the first one. I wonder if they just wanted to have a choice/scene in the very early release of the game or if that will ever come back into play?
I think you have them confused. With 4th you have to cut above the collar or you die. I mostly main the 4th so I remember that part well. Alice's dad asks you if you want him to pick up your head but you refuse as your body lays there headless with the collar. I'll have to double check the 3rd since I only played through that once.Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect you
Example:in klaus mansion when you get taken hostage,If you choose the fourth(Mother)you must cut below the collar otherwise its a dead end
but with the third(father)you must choose to cut above the collar to escape
and also in the prologue if you choose to go left then the fourth inject your dick otherwise its the third that inject your head
I wouldn't consider Ella to be a very reliable narrator. Leaving aside her fickle nature, one of the earliest dead ends reveals that she is nowhere near as knowledgeable regarding monster affairs as she believes.Even more so now since she is at her final evolution and has also told us that once you hit it you dont gain any new powers its just how you use them.
Hmmm, just my opinion of course, but I think Ella's apparent lack of support in developing the MC's powers is more a result of lacklustre writing. Don't get me wrong, the exposition in this VN is several cuts above most of the games on this site, but it often feels like WW attempts to emphasize certain character traits, only they don't do enough. In Ella's case, her dialogue seems to imply that she wants to instill a sense of urgency in the MC so that he may better train his powers. Unfortunately, none of the training sessions reflect this well enough. I'd expect the training sessions to consistently refer to previous incidents as (partial but significant) motivation to become stronger.Her excuse is "it's to help us get stronger". I didn't need her help when I crushed Kenny, Danica, Klaus, and Minyak. Sure, she gave pointers but I executed those victories on my own and I'll never give her credit for any of it. She wants me to be strong? Then she should stay out of my way and let me progress. I trampled Jake even when at a disadvantage while she was off somewhere plotting. She should've got the message that I don't need her.
Monster parent choice is irrelevant in that scene. Always cut above collar.Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect you
Example:in klaus mansion when you get taken hostage,If you choose the fourth(Mother)you must cut below the collar otherwise its a dead end
but with the third(father)you must choose to cut above the collar to escape
I'm guessing she knows a lot about some past monster event or perhaps the war that allowed the world-government to steamroll all other factions, hence why she was digging in the mines, but she doesn't actually know the goals or true strength of the monsters.I wouldn't consider Ella to be a very reliable narrator. Leaving aside her fickle nature, one of the earliest dead ends reveals that she is nowhere near as knowledgeable regarding monster affairs as she believes.
If you let me, Clover being so obsessed is possible is because Demi power, not because she is a psycho.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Well yes but Demi also mentionned tonning their power down, especially on her. I feel like there's something else at play here... Also, when Demi wasn't yet able to control their power, Clover was the only person that far gone with them. Nobody else went that far off the ledge of sanity...If you let me, Clover being so obsessed is possible is because Demi power, not because she is a psycho.
Just saying.
For the Jake and Mia thing, Ella saves her regardless and she has amnesia no matter what. Basically like I said last update, Jake isn't really needed. He already undid the damage on her so really it was up to the MC or Ella. It did bother me though that Ella was the one to do it. Like all that practicing and she just swoops in and steals the glory.Weeell I'm finally done with the new content.
And took a day or so to digest it all.
Also I'm too lazy to go back and read all that's been discussed and that I ignored as to not get spoiled until I was done...
Might as well share what's on my mind, will react those who will.
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Ended up putting spoilers to make the post less of a gigantic wall of text. Might have forgotten to mention some stuff as well, so don't hesitate to ask questions. All the same, comments and personal reflexions toward anything I mentionned are welcome.
Oh yeah, I forgot one thing : The art improved on some of the pics. Especially with the Light and Shadow usage. It's pretty impressive to see.
You can kill Jake no matter what. There is no requirement for that choice.Also for killing Jake, if you want to know, there's details about the 1st and some cosmic shit going down. If you have a save, you should choose the kill option to see it. Not sure if corruption is needed or not there though.
I didn't mean the amnesia might be for Jake losing and surviving. I meant for losing, period.For the Jake and Mia thing, Ella saves her regardless and she has amnesia no matter what.
I fully agree. It would have been nice if the MC had been the one to do it.Basically like I said last update, Jake isn't really needed. He already undid the damage on her so really it was up to the MC or Ella. It did bother me though that Ella was the one to do it. Like all that practicing and she just swoops in and steals the glory.
I might. I'm usually a "stick with my choices" type of player, so I haven't done a second run going for different ones or checked different major choices, but since a lot of lore hint seems hidden behind some of those...Also for killing Jake, if you want to know, there's details about the 1st and some cosmic shit going down. If you have a save, you should choose the kill option to see it. Not sure if corruption is needed or not there though.
Drako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.You can kill Jake no matter what. There is no requirement for that choice.
My mistake. I thought it was the other way. ThanksDrako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.
You can kill Jake no matter what. There is no requirement for that choice.
Basically what Rutonat said. I'm never sure what's corruption locked or not while playing since I always have high corruption stats(except for my main but he's getting there). That Tower scene might be one of the corruption locked scenes. Rutonat also plays with little to no corruption, if I recall right, so they might not see it even if they did kill him.Drako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.
Or it's the... Fuck I forgot how it's called... The same thing that happens to women beaten to shit by their husband, but who keep defending them and ultimately running back to them when other people try to save them. Though in Demi's case, there's likely some psychological stuff going on with them likely not being psychologically able to face the fact they were being (essentially) tortured for fun. Facing and accepting that type of stuff can destroy someone if they aren't strong enough mentally.*The story that Demi told, of her and Clover's history gave me a bit to speculate on. The bullying was INTENSE, and climatically hugely criminal, the while Clover was soft on them but ultimately didn't stop it even at the climax. Demi's very naïve: they've rationalized all that, as if they can't accept the notion of malice.
Likely just chance. After all, not all superhumans are created by Ella. She didn't create the people at HERO, and herself. Demi's probably just one of the "natural superhuman" so to speak.*When the monster finds them burnt, and bound in the sun it there's more to think on. The nature of the monster perhaps taking pity on them; If Demi had taken a pill and didn't know or think to tell us, or just chance the monster found her.
Ho that one's easy. It's clearly Clover going full yandere on each of them. I thought the subtext on that one was pretty obvious. Clover very likely decided to lure out each of the bully and deal with them someway or another.*There's also each person who'd taken part in it disappearing save for Clover which makes one wander if that was on Clover's or the Monsters initiative and it just spared her or even tasked her with protecting Demi as recompense.
Possible. Though if by "aware of what Demi is" you mean superhuman, I doubt it. I don't doubt that her guilt and Demi's power threw oil in the fire though, but I think there's something else going on in her head that made the whole cocktail to explosive.*For Clover's part, apart from having a great deal of guilt for not protecting Demi, she fucked off and got yoked, before returning to protect them. Demi's ability probably fan's the fire, but Clover seems aware of what Demi is and seeks to protect them not only from external harm, but from their naivete of human nature. Like seeing herself as Demi's only true ally because of their past before turning and taking extra measures not only from guilt but also because Demi failed to recognize the malice for what it was or hold it against any of them.
No corruption at all !Basically what Rutonat said. I'm never sure what's corruption locked or not while playing since I always have high corruption stats(except for my main but he's getting there). That Tower scene might be one of the corruption locked scenes. Rutonat also plays with little to no corruption, if I recall right, so they might not see it even if they did kill him.