JicioJ

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All Apostles have their twin's trait, they're just not as skilled with it.
If you choose to be infected by Body, he'll try to enter your mind and see your memories, but unlike Memory he can't do so until he touches you.
As for Syla, we know that she isn't pure Memory, that she was tainted. It's quite possible the taint is a slight Body lineage, giving her limited shapeshifting.
Iirc WW said that MC is 50% Body, 49% Memory and 1% something else, if the taint is just 1% more body I think he'd just admit it, since it wont become important. I lean towards the belief that its Dark because of the conv between Varavn and Syla
 
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KKStrider

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Iirc WW said that MC is 50% Body, 49% Memory and 1% something else, if the taint is just 1% more body I think he'd just admit it, since it wont become important. I lean towards the belief that its Dark because of the conv between Varavn and Syla
It's not, or at least not just Dark. The 1% is actually trace amounts of .
 
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The fourth injected the Mc with some kind of liquid, in their first encounter, which reminds me of how the Mc injected jake with poison in their battle. So I am thinking that maybe the fourth added the memory of a monster like the one that got Angelina, to enlarge the Mc's penis, to its mostly human form in that encounter. Similar to how the mc's mom took on Eisheth's form in the dream world and used her power, the fourth did something similar and used some other monster's power or characteristics. As a result, it wasn't her own power transforming the Mc.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Seems like a lot of dancing just to avoid the fact that Ella just doesn't know everything about Apostles. Especially in the early section of the game, where she didn't even notice the 7th descending. Even though there was blatant signs that even MC noticed. Such as the sky turning darker in the middle of the night. Not to mention, Ella already said they both have transformative powers. There's no reason to try to rationalize the 4th doing something different to MC just to say Ella is right. If you're taking her words that they can't change others, then there's no reason to ignore the part where she said both can transform themselves.

That said, we'll get our definitive answer during the 1.0 release, since the inconsistencies from the earlier parts of the game will get fixed. As WW acknowledged that the scaling and scope is much lower because he didn't know if superhuman would be a full game. For example, Lexi using her full power at Level 5 only caused a 7.0 Earthquake that shook buildings against Ella. That's Level 4 range. Depending on the power, you could potentially go lower to even Level 3. So that's why WW said he'll be fixing some of that.

What lineage would Nyx be from?
Probably 2nd, 7th, and 9th. At least, definitely 2nd and 7th, if nothing else. Likely a spread of other things as well, since she unlocked some memory based powers from corruption.
 

DrakoGhoul

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By the way, this is the closest scene to incest in the game that will ever happen. Which is why the 4th is the best. Mommy does what Syla don't.
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Also, I only just noticed WW added a sprite for Syla's monster form.
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If you nothing else, at least you know the 4th is a pervert just like her descendants.
 

Nooberplays

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The fourth injected the Mc with some kind of liquid, in their first encounter, which reminds me of how the Mc injected jake with poison in their battle. So I am thinking that maybe the fourth added the memory of a monster like the one that got Angelina, to enlarge the Mc's penis, to its mostly human form in that encounter. Similar to how the mc's mom took on Eisheth's form in the dream world and used her power, the fourth did something similar and used some other monster's power or characteristics. As a result, it wasn't her own power transforming the Mc.
That seems weirdly intricate complicated just to suck off someone, I thought the bj was more of to calm down MC and bring him pleasure to overwrite the trauma of transformation
 

Nooberplays

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That's not necessarily a lie though. She was talking about the body trait specifically if I'm not mistaken, and it is true that we've never seen the third manipulate someone's body. It could be that changing the bodies of others is a thing only someone with some access to memory can do.

At least, that is the only thing I can think of instantly that connects MC, Ella, and the fourth. All display at least some amount of capability at changing others, and all have a certain measure of the memory trait (even if Ella's is probably really low). The third is most definitely 100% body, and so wouldn't have that condition.

This also makes sense in that memory seems to grant the user a certain ability to connect to the world through information, as showcased by MC when the arbiter takes over him. This connection could be what allows memory to alter others, while body by itself can only affect itself by virtue of having no connection to anything else.
Yeah which is disapointing that he doesn´t develop other abilities, in the bad end its shown that by consuming Kenny he gets control over the oil zombies
 

mc loving VI

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I can't get into de NTR Liz route, I saw in the guide that I should avoid help Liz to get that path but even that the NTR dialogue doesn't appear in the 14 day
 
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DmollSR

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This VN feels like a fantasy-ish [Idk what genre to call it, emo?] action superhero anime trying to be porn. I never realized until the last update how forced most sex scenes feel. Like you're in a sewer with a girl and you're talking about imp monster stuff, then out of nowhere she wants to fuck and you both have sex with her spouting the usual nonsense overused NPC sex dialogue and then everything goes back to normal. Like what you both just did didnt even register in your and the girls brain. Weirdboy even admitted that he made every girl have huge tits because he wanted the VN to feel like porn and cater to the gooner audience. Not because he wanted to or it had any logic or significance.
 

Bleh21

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This VN feels like a fantasy-ish [Idk what genre to call it, emo?] action superhero anime trying to be porn. I never realized until the last update how forced most sex scenes feel. Like you're in a sewer with a girl and you're talking about imp monster stuff, then out of nowhere she wants to fuck and you both have sex with her spouting the usual nonsense overused NPC sex dialogue and then everything goes back to normal. Like what you both just did didnt even register in your and the girls brain. Weirdboy even admitted that he made every girl have huge tits because he wanted the VN to feel like porn and cater to the gooner audience. Not because he wanted to or it had any logic or significance.
Thats been apparent to a lot of us for a while now. The story and porn are completely disconnected to the point you almost miss nothing if you cut out the sex. I think the Cole fight is the only case where the porn part actually came into play in the story

The dev probably could've just made a very successful webcomic by just cutting out all the porn. But I get the feeling the dev is just a freaky dude who thought "but it could also be porn".
 
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Mizblu

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man, liz is the most disappointing character in this game. so for context, i just got to the bonfire scene where deryl is pissed at liz for being nonchalant about getting roofied, and even got drugged in the past (presumably multiple times) and this is after doing the romance/friendship route where you save her from getting pressured and drugged (yep), and she just says that everything is gonna work out fine because deryl prevented her from getting roofied, like she expects every person who cares about her to save her. i'm not even mad at her character, just super disappointed as she empowers people who do that shit to do it again, and of course i expected character development after finishing her route. i know it's just her personality, but i expected more from her character. sorry about the yapping, i just wanna vent my disappointment on a fictional character.
 
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man, liz is the most disappointing character in this game. so for context, i just got to the bonfire scene where deryl is pissed at liz for being nonchalant about getting roofied, and even got drugged in the past (presumably multiple times) and this is after doing the romance/friendship route where you save her from getting pressured and drugged (yep), and she just says that everything is gonna work out fine because deryl prevented her from getting roofied, like she expects every person who cares about her to save her. i'm not even mad at her character, just super disappointed as she empowers people who do that shit to do it again, and of course i expected character development after finishing her route. i know it's just her personality, but i expected more from her character. sorry about the yapping, i just wanna vent my disappointment on a fictional character.

SPOILER : IF YOU ARE THE THE BONFIRE SCENE DON'T READ YET










Eh idk, she later tells the Mc that she knows her apathy makes her ''empty'', and she knows due to her flaws she might not be enough for him and tells him straight up if he finds someone else he shouldn't hesitate to dump her really made her more endearing in my eyes.
She's so unbothered about her well being it borders on suicidal but she has enough self-awarness and care she straight up lets you know if you find someone you love more than her you should leave her. You might see her as selfish due to her often abandoning or not even registering common sense and relying instead on others, but if she were selfish she wouldn't have the capacity to make that confession to the Mc.

If she gets raped she doesn't care, if she gets roofied it doesn't bother her enough to agonize over it afterwards, she is very damaged but she knows it and makes sure you know in order to not hurt you thus showing she has empathy behind the borderline autistic apathy that she hides behind.
 
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Mizblu

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SPOILER : IF YOU ARE THE THE BONFIRE SCENE DON'T READ YET










Eh idk, she later tells the Mc that she knows her apathy makes her ''empty'', and she knows due to her flaws she might not be enough for him and tells him straight up if he finds someone else he shouldn't hesitate to dump her really made her more endearing in my eyes.
She's so unbothered about her well being it borders on suicidal but she has enough self-awarness and care she straight up lets you know if you find someone you love more than her you should leave her. You might see her as selfish due to her often abandoning or not even registering common sense and relying instead on others, but if she were selfish she wouldn't have the capacity to make that confession to the Mc.

If she gets raped she doesn't care, if she gets roofied it doesn't bother her enough to agonize over it afterwards, she is very damaged but she knows it and makes sure you know in order to not hurt you thus showing she has empathy behind the borderline autistic apathy that she hides behind.
Yeah i get what you're saying, i guess i just got used to game characters changing when you finish their personal route/quest (even though she actually changed, hence the confession and her willingness to commit to a relationship) i just prefer characters that take care of themselves especially main LI's (like even Mia makes an effort to protect herself, and not rely on her friends too much) and when i finished her route i kinda expected that with Liz especially with what can happen on her quest, i just thought that the point of her route is standing up for herself and not get taken advantage of, and the bonfire scene just kinda threw that away, hence the disappointment, still a great character though
 

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Thats been apparent to a lot of us for a while now. The story and porn are completely disconnected to the point you almost miss nothing if you cut out the sex.
Its not a porn thing, its an optional scene thing, this includes most of the romance and is even more noticeable with characters that can be killed or saved. The overall story needs to continue whether these things happen or not.
 
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