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In the opening scenes where MC gets turned into a Superhuman, how did the 4th apostle enlarge MC´s dick? Wasn't matter manipulation outside of the body specific to Superhumans?
Don't trust what Ella says, she does lie a lot, and the only person to claim that was her, and here you have a proof of her talking out of her ass. Also, it was changing bodies of others specifically, not "matter manipulation outside of body" per se, as loads of monsters can create, destroy or manipulate matter which is not their body, like minyak or that cow-rat-bat thing that got Angelina.
 

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Don't trust what Ella says, she does lie a lot, and the only person to claim that was her, and here you have a proof of her talking out of her ass. Also, it was changing bodies of others specifically, not "matter manipulation outside of body" per se, as loads of monsters can create, destroy or manipulate matter which is not their body, like minyak or that cow-rat-bat thing that got Angelina.
That's not necessarily a lie though. She was talking about the body trait specifically if I'm not mistaken, and it is true that we've never seen the third manipulate someone's body. It could be that changing the bodies of others is a thing only someone with some access to memory can do.

At least, that is the only thing I can think of instantly that connects MC, Ella, and the fourth. All display at least some amount of capability at changing others, and all have a certain measure of the memory trait (even if Ella's is probably really low). The third is most definitely 100% body, and so wouldn't have that condition.

This also makes sense in that memory seems to grant the user a certain ability to connect to the world through information, as showcased by MC when the arbiter takes over him. This connection could be what allows memory to alter others, while body by itself can only affect itself by virtue of having no connection to anything else.
 
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That's not necessarily a lie though. She was talking about the body trait specifically if I'm not mistaken, and it is true that we've never seen the third manipulate someone's body. It could be that changing the bodies of others is a thing only someone with some access to memory can do.

At least, that is the only thing I can think of instantly that connects MC, Ella, and the fourth. All display at least some amount of capability at changing others, and all have a certain measure of the memory trait (even if Ella's is probably really low). The third is most definitely 100% body, and so wouldn't have that condition.

This also makes sense in that memory seems to grant the user a certain ability to connect to the world through information, as showcased by MC when the arbiter takes over him. This connection could be what allows memory to alter others, while body by itself can only affect itself by virtue of having no connection to anything else.
I mean, it would be weird, at least going by my own gut feeling, if "The Body" could not influence other bodies beside itself, other apostles are not limited in similar manner, but I do see the point of looking at it from the other way around and limiting the scope of the trait to just it's own body.

Well, to be certain I did went and checked, and no, she talked about both of them. 1736431564943.png
 

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I mean, it would be weird, at least going by my own gut feeling, if "The Body" could not influence other bodies beside itself, other apostles are not limited in similar manner, but I do see the point of looking at it from the other way around and limiting the scope of the trait to just it's own body.

Well, to be certain I did went and checked, and no, she talked about both of them. View attachment 4426010
I think this is hinted at throughout the text that superhumans have the perk of altering or improving their progenitors monster DNA. Bernhaldt and Malik both have low ranked monster parents meanwhile Tanos and Deryl are 2nd Spawn from the 12th apostle. But its important to note that Deryl and Tanos have the same monster parent but with abilities that are similar yet different which is why Tanos desired for Deryl to work with him. So I atleast am 100% sure superhuman powers are affected and evolve different from person to person.
 

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I mean, it would be weird, at least going by my own gut feeling, if "The Body" could not influence other bodies beside itself, other apostles are not limited in similar manner, but I do see the point of looking at it from the other way around and limiting the scope of the trait to just it's own body.

Well, to be certain I did went and checked, and no, she talked about both of them. View attachment 4426010
Hmm, I see. I guess I remembered that incorrectly.

Regardless, this statement is proven by the start of the game to be incorrect, which begs the question; What does it change if the third (and fourth) can change others' bodies? Why would it matter if MC knows that?

That makes me think that WW might have thought of that fact after he made the first scene and added it in without editing the scene. It's not like sex scenes are what someone thinks of instantly when they check for consistency, they tend to not be the most serious moments of a story (fate/stay night be my witness).

As for the body not being able to manipulate other bodies, I do get your point and, to an extent, agree with it... But we do know that each individual trait is an incomplete version of a higher trait. It could be that body is supposed to be able to control other bodies, but due to being incomplete, lost that connection to things outside of itself.

Memory, meanwhile, has the connection to those things through its control over what basically amounts to information, but lacks the actual ability to alter their physical form.

Obviously, that only makes sense we're assuming I'm right in saying that WW might have not updated that sex scene to reflect the new information he came up with. It could be that Ella has some grand master plan to make MC underestimate the apostles or something.
 
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Sup, how's it going?

It's been alright for me, back to work and making the game and all that.

Been doing a lot of writing and a good amount of CG as well, so I'm probably a bit ahead of where I usually am in this portion of the development cycle, but... that's probably not gonna keep going.

I talked a bit about this on stream, unfortunately, a family member had an accident and I'm gonna have to go back to my hometown to help out for a while. Which also unfortunately means, I can't draw or construct the scenes, since all my shit is pretty stationary at my house. Good news is, I got myself a laptop for christmas, so I can take that over and continue on the writing portion of superhuman.

So, what does this mean for the game? Maybe nothing, honestly. Could be that the coming update will take a few weeks longer to put out, in exchange for the update after that coming out a few weeks sooner, since I'll probably have time, while I'm over there, to do some of the writing for the coming updates. Ideally, I'd get them all done up until 1.0, but I dunno if that's gonna happen. I'll only be over there a couple weeks I think, so I don't anticipate my schedule being affected more than 2-3 weeks. But yeah, that's the situation.

Anyway, that's it. Thanks for reading, catch you next time.
 

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From that sentence I'm getting vibes he's planning 3 updates before 1.0.

Personally I thought we were just a couple updates away from it. :unsure:
 

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In the opening scenes where MC gets turned into a Superhuman, how did the 4th apostle enlarge MC´s dick? Wasn't matter manipulation outside of the body specific to Superhumans?
Honestly, Memory could've just used its memory powers to make MC remember things differently, or changed the genetic memory of him. It's a scene that never really gets brought up; it's always the "that night that changed my life" and not the "night night my grandma sucked me off".

Hell, it could've even been Ella in the shadows doing all the enlarging and the 4th was just going along with it.
 

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In the opening scenes where MC gets turned into a Superhuman, how did the 4th apostle enlarge MC´s dick? Wasn't matter manipulation outside of the body specific to Superhumans?
That was probably Ella just talking shit, wouldn't be the first nor the last time she has lied, or she simply didn't know, in the end it was an statement from a character in the story, not something that the author established
 
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