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The only thing that she'd potentially clearly be afraid of would be a numbered... I don't remember if we have clear proof of it, but they are likely far stronger than a fresh level 5 such as herself... Other than that, unless it's a monster that has powers that she specifically can't do anything about, the only other theory I have is a bit of a curve ball :
It could be a superhuman that she made, that succombed to their inner monster... but the host was someone important to her. And as such, she can't bear to face or kill them.
Sure, Ella can seem like a heartless bitch most of the time, but she shows humanity from time to time, so I think her having a "weakness" like that isn't completely impossible.
But there's no hint to support that theory, it's just me throwing pasta at the wall.
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IIRC this is from a bad end you encounter when she is still level 4.
Also worth noting that monsters can go above level 5.
Level 5 is the cap on superhumans, who are created by monsters intentionally for reasons unknown.
Not the cap on monster level.
My impression is that rather than recognize it as an individual, she instead felt its power levels to be overwhelming to the point of helplessness.
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That's why I phrased it liek that rather than saying something like "level 5 monsters are probably stronger than superhumans of the same level".
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What I mean that there are monsters who are level 6, level 7, etc.
Level 5 cap is an artificial limitations monsters place on an artificial creation (superhumans)
At least according to Ella.
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Yes we're not even sure that's actually the case. All we know is that it's as far as superhumans went so far. I actually fully expect the MC to somehow transcend that.
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I also expect MC to reach level 6 and beyond
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Originally, I thought it was a Numbered like our mother, the 4th. It practically one shot her with no problem. But as the updates came out and more info was introduced, I came to the theory that it's either some monster created by the "Dark God", a Herald or Apostle of sorts, to keep the numbered in check or it's possibly the Dark God's lesser form.
The real answer is we don't know but it's ridiculously powerful. It hasn't been mentioned or seen since we saw another vision of it in a dream with the others. The way that dead end progressed actually hints at why Ella killed the MC in a later dead end but I'm too burned out of this game to get into that right now. I got a bad case of information overload.
I lack some understanding here. I'll use spoiler just in case.
Btw, I think that's a mark of a good story, if it's understandable enough to enjoy it, but also tangled enough so you wanna theorize and find out more.
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Btw, I think that's a mark of a good story, if it's understandable enough to enjoy it, but also tangled enough so you wanna theorize and find out more.
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Yes, Numbered are, as far as we understand it so far, the most powerfull monsters there are. Potentially among the oldest, even. They are far smarter than your average Minyak.
Though, there might be one even higher than them, the "Dark God", unless he's also the first, that's not very clear so far.
Most major actor superhumans are likely "reborn" from Numbered. The MC is, Ella probably is (unconfirmed), Alice clearly is, Danica and Klaus potentially are as well (unconfirmed too). Oscar might have been turned by a Numbered, among the lower ones.
The thing with Numbered as we understand it so far, is that it's not a "those born first/oldest". It's a power ranking, so Oscar could very well have killed the lowest rank at the time, that got replaced by a newcomer to the ranking.
And for the MC, the titty monster is the 4th (lovingly nicknamed Mommy 4th) and the freaky guy is the 5th (jokingly nicknamed Daddy 5th from comparaison with the 4th). ...or was it 3rd ?
( DrakoGhoul can you confirm ? was he the 5th or 3rd ? I forgot.
)Altough, in the MC's case, there seem to possibly be another entity that talks to him. We're pretty unclear on who it is, but the eye symbol that appears during the Klaus fight doesn't seem connected to you monster parent of choice (I mean, I love Mommy 4th but girl doesn't have freaking eyes at all, so...).
And before you ask : so far the parent chosen has no bearing on anything, but WeirdWorld hinted, if memory serves, that it'll have influence later on possibly ?
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The "dad" is the 3rd. Mother is 4th. When you think about it, all monsters are numbered. At least the oldest of them. It's the top 6(probably 5 now since Jake's parent might've got ate by the 3rd and 4th), that are most likely the most powerful. The 7th through 12th are either dead or in a death like state like the Fairy was before the Klaus fight.Yes, Numbered are, as far as we understand it so far, the most powerfull monsters there are. Potentially among the oldest, even. They are far smarter than your average Minyak.
Though, there might be one even higher than them, the "Dark God", unless he's also the first, that's not very clear so far.
Most major actor superhumans are likely "reborn" from Numbered. The MC is, Ella probably is (unconfirmed), Alice clearly is, Danica and Klaus potentially are as well (unconfirmed too). Oscar might have been turned by a Numbered, among the lower ones.
The thing with Numbered as we understand it so far, is that it's not a "those born first/oldest". It's a power ranking, so Oscar could very well have killed the lowest rank at the time, that got replaced by a newcomer to the ranking.
And for the MC, the titty monster is the 4th (lovingly nicknamed Mommy 4th) and the freaky guy is the 5th (jokingly nicknamed Daddy 5th from comparaison with the 4th). ...or was it 3rd ?
( DrakoGhoul can you confirm ? was he the 5th or 3rd ? I forgot.
Altough, in the MC's case, there seem to possibly be another entity that talks to him. We're pretty unclear on who it is, but the eye symbol that appears during the Klaus fight doesn't seem connected to you monster parent of choice (I mean, I love Mommy 4th but girl doesn't have freaking eyes at all, so...).
And before you ask : so far the parent chosen has no bearing on anything, but WeirdWorld hinted, if memory serves, that it'll have influence later on possibly ?
I personally think they already had a monster war between themselves. Which probably killed off the 7th through 12th but caused the others to be so weak that they fell "asleep". It would also explain why they numbered aren't that active too. Also can't forget the Minyak called the MC a "Greater Spawn" while Jared's Dad asked Ella for pills of weaker subsets of Monsters.
There's still a lot we don't know about the monsters actually. All we know is there's 1000s, possibly 100s of 1000s according to Ella. Then there's the Dark God mentioned by Darkravn(the raven monster). The Heart Ella found probably belongs to one of the dead numbered. It's also probably the giant one's parent Ella mentioned.
Reminder that this is really just my opinion(for others). So don't take it as me saying it's a fact. Merely just guesses that could be wrong.
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So that means the monster parts we can get from the Shopkeeper are potentially parts of other ones... This is gonna cause some more intense thinking, I can already feel it...
Now I wonder why 3rd and 4th both appeared to change MC. I guess that particular pair is working together for some reason. seing that id doesnt matter for MC powers which one changes you, i guess their powers are similar.
Or is MC actually changed by both 3rd and 4th somehow?
if you train too much in first week you get this line:
Sooooo, both mom and dad changed us and we inherit both of their powers maybe?
Or is MC actually changed by both 3rd and 4th somehow?
if you train too much in first week you get this line:
Sooooo, both mom and dad changed us and we inherit both of their powers maybe?
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That's an easy one to answer. Remember the beginning ? Ella makes the MC swollow a pill. Those are monster bait pills.
We actually don't know what their powers are. Not really at least. Also powers aren't inherited as is from monster parents. It depends on the host. So the same monster could turn 5 different humans and you'd get 5 superhumans with different abilities. Maybe not wildly different, but at least not just 5 identical copies.
Well we don't see the other parent intervening in the scene, so nothing says either way, to be honest. Though, that could be the case ? But since I seem to remember something about WeirdWorld mentioning the parent choice will have a role later on, unless I'm mistaken that would be unlikely.
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They're probably twins. I had the thought that if you picked the 4th then the 3rd is Ella's Parent or the reverse. She says the MC and herself share the same parents at some point in the game. Their powers are basically exactly the same. Only difference is their special ability is different and Ella's transformations aren't as perfect.
As for both changing him, that doesn't seem to be the case. Usually in any monster scene with them, you'll get one or the other. Example being the Fairy telling you to say hi to the 4th or 3rd depending on who you was turned by. Also later with the Minyak(not sure) and Jake fight in the Prison. Only one appears. Not proof of anything, of course, but we only saw one of them infect us.
It's said that Base powers are basically the same, and then they diverge starting at evo 2. So anyone infected by the 4th gets some kind of shapeshifting, anyone infected by the 3rd gets some kind of mind reading (or whatever the root power of the 3rd is, it is probably more abstract).
I think it might be something like
1. Control (Jake, maybe Demi, the minyak)
2. (Unknown, maybe Energy like Klaus and Danica)
3. Knowledge/Mind (MC, maybe Ella, maybe Deus, the minyak again)
4. Form (MC, Ella)
5. (Unknown, maybe 'physics' like Alice/the fairy and Nico?)
6. (Unknown, maybe 'time' like Oscar?)
The minyak is loosely related to the 7th, so there may be superhumans and monsters from 7-12 still kicking around as well.
Also, I'm not sure if they're particularly allied. they might just sort of be indifferent to each other, and found a spawn they're both compatible with, so rather than fight each other, risk injury, and lose the spawn, they just decided to share.
Like, my own theory is that they're each powerful enough that they've sort of got a peace through mutual assured destruction thing going on (e.g. if the 1st and 2nd fought, the 2nd might win, but then the others might kill the 2nd for 1. being a threat and 2. being weakened from the fight) and also, they're actually pushed to ally with eachother, since 6 of them are dead, possibly from the Unknown monster.
I think it might be something like
1. Control (Jake, maybe Demi, the minyak)
2. (Unknown, maybe Energy like Klaus and Danica)
3. Knowledge/Mind (MC, maybe Ella, maybe Deus, the minyak again)
4. Form (MC, Ella)
5. (Unknown, maybe 'physics' like Alice/the fairy and Nico?)
6. (Unknown, maybe 'time' like Oscar?)
The minyak is loosely related to the 7th, so there may be superhumans and monsters from 7-12 still kicking around as well.
Also, I'm not sure if they're particularly allied. they might just sort of be indifferent to each other, and found a spawn they're both compatible with, so rather than fight each other, risk injury, and lose the spawn, they just decided to share.
Like, my own theory is that they're each powerful enough that they've sort of got a peace through mutual assured destruction thing going on (e.g. if the 1st and 2nd fought, the 2nd might win, but then the others might kill the 2nd for 1. being a threat and 2. being weakened from the fight) and also, they're actually pushed to ally with eachother, since 6 of them are dead, possibly from the Unknown monster.
Looking forward to the effects of government & public support points. Maybe Glory points are too gonna important there
I wonder about HERO organization. In theory it's govermental thingy, so goverment support should influence how the orginization looks at MC. On the other hand, Clark (I think his name was Clark. The guy that came after Ella) seams to like the idea of NOT being burried under mountains of red tape. So maybe he, and others like-minded members of HERO will support us if we have high public support points instead.
Everyone who works for a government organization at the pointy end hates red tape, trust me on this, the only ones who love the red tape are the paper-pushers.
Not a huge fan of the art style (disgustingly large boobs imo), but I'm surprised transformations aren't used more frequently. And only a small amount of gender bender stuff.