Allan Trumbull

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Seeing people talking about power creep in the series I honestly, can't see the MC having any chance at all unless he consumes some more ancient memory, the random eyeballs/fingers and statue face pieces along the way to get some power/experience boost. The recent updates mentioned his lack of experience a lot but he can absorb memories, while he has leaned more heavily on his transformations, he surely hasn't taken his memory acquisition to the extreme the monster he got his power from could. I also think this will differentiate the good/bad playthroughs, I'm hoping that a balanced MC with control of both traits can be the key to fixing Deryl too, its really untapped since Ella couldn't give him advice about it having not gotten the same trait, one of the bad ends makes it sound like a HUGE deal, I'm expecting a lot to happen.
One memory were available at the weird store. More coming??

Maybe he cangain another evolution by consuming monster deryl
 

Fanvor

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The quality of the serum also plays a part in it all since Klaus had a bad quality one according to Nico.
It is literally said that the serum gave Klaus temporary monstrefication, I mean, the man started growing horns from his head. Why is everyone treating it like the lvl up serum that Alexis and Clark used?
 

DrakoGhoul

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MC? Not so much. It's variable on how many he's fucked. He can fuck most of them, but I think he can limit it to only 1 required sex scene, right?

Also, mc seems pretty pitiable at least in the past. Deryl Amber and Liz were all fucking around while he was the ultimate virginlord.
Maybe. I think Christie can't be avoided at all. The some of the rest can but if you play into some quests you'll auto sleep with them. Like in Emily's later stuff, you have to sleep with her, Christie and Ella with no option to choose. From what I remember. Though I could be wrong.

I should probably correct myself and say my MC was the biggest slut in game. He has no morals at all and would fuck a corpse, monster, zombie and even himself with his tentacles.
 

Ebrietas

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You know, I think Michael might not have radiation power but the power of the SUN

I mean, it's just my guess, but Michael Monster parent was coming down bringing light and all that stuff, you know.

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Maybe people talked about it and I just don't notice, or I did notice, but my attention span and memory are kind of shit.
 
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Dimitrii

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You know, I think Michael might not have radiation power but the power of the SUN

I mean, it's just my guess, but Michael Monster parent was coming down bringing light and all that stuff, you know.

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Maybe people talked about it and I just don't notice, or I did notice, but my attention span and memory are kind of shit.
Well, the Sun is actually a big-ass thermonuclear reactor. The only reason the sun doesn't kill us is beacouse we're at a safe-ish distance. So the power of Sun and radiation totally checks out from science point of view.


Anyway,
I am quite intrested in more of the mind-fuckery aspect of MC power. When you think about it, he practiced mindreading at the start of the game a little bit, and then he completly stopped in favour of training his transformations. We didn't see anything more on it since.
Previously we thought that 3rd and 4th have the same power, but that doesn't really check out. After all, Ella does not seem to have mind-reading powers, and she have the same monster parents. For me it seams that Ella only inherited power from Daddy 3th, while MC got a mixture of powers from Daddy 3rd and Mommy 4th. And that their powers complement each other. Maybe they somehow borrow each other powers? In the initial encounter 4th starts with mindfuckery while not even touching us, while 3rd starts with tentacles.

If that's so, why shouldn't MC be able to get better at mind-reading if he starts practicing it again? Maybe he could read minds without even touching his victim? Maybe he could get specific informations like plans of building without eating a poor guy that knows it? Maybe he could learn specific skills like flying a plane or using complex machinery by staling that skill from someone?
Or maybe he could even use that in combat, to read the mind of his enemy and learing what move he's gonna use?


Another topic is stealing other superpowers. It does seem like MC could have potential to do it. He can pretty much perfectly copy a normal human. If he consumes somebody, it is implied that he could completly replace that person.
Now for superhumans. The only superhuman so far that the MC tried to Mimic is Oscar. So we can do that. MC obviously didn't try to use his powers, if he copied his body than maybe?
Obviously, it seams that superhumans are a bit more that just people with funny bodies. I think there's a certain energy in them that powers their abilities, and MC can't mimic a dark power or whatever. Yet.

As I'm already writing a long post, I'll also shame my thoughts about electricity.
My theory: Electricity is MC weekness for now, but it won't be forever. As we've seen in scene when MC was tased, the electricity was actually stored inside MC body, he even compared it to his own power, just alien. With that I guess that MC power works kinda similar to electricity, by controlling his body, his transformations. Electricity is just too powerfull, if MC body is kicked with electricity, it could basicly transform in explosive manner coz he can't control it. So, can MC possibly learn to cope with electricity, maybe even use it to supercharge himself in controlled manner? I think that's possible, risky as fuck but possible.
 

Rutonat

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I should probably correct myself and say my MC was the biggest slut in game. He has no morals at all and would fuck a corpse, monster, zombie and even himself with his tentacles.
We all would, in his shoes. When you have shapeshifting, why not have fun with it ?

You know, I think Michael might not have radiation power but the power of the SUN

I mean, it's just my guess, but Michael Monster parent was coming down bringing light and all that stuff, you know.

View attachment 2079727

Maybe people talked about it and I just don't notice, or I did notice, but my attention span and memory are kind of shit.
Well... The sun kinda is a big ball of bruning gas emitting a buttload of radiations soooooo...

Anyway,
I am quite intrested in more of the mind-fuckery aspect of MC power. When you think about it, he practiced mindreading at the start of the game a little bit, and then he completly stopped in favour of training his transformations. We didn't see anything more on it since.
Previously we thought that 3rd and 4th have the same power, but that doesn't really check out. After all, Ella does not seem to have mind-reading powers, and she have the same monster parents. For me it seams that Ella only inherited power from Daddy 3th, while MC got a mixture of powers from Daddy 3rd and Mommy 4th. And that their powers complement each other. Maybe they somehow borrow each other powers? In the initial encounter 4th starts with mindfuckery while not even touching us, while 3rd starts with tentacles.
It's quite possible that at some point the new powers, or degree of improvement, will depend on the chosen Parent. After all, both seem to represent one side of his powers, the 3rd being the shapeshifting, and the 4th being the memory reading. WW did say at some point that the choice would have an impact later on, and we've yet to see that happen so far (not counting a text mention here or there obviously).
It's a bit of a bitch, writing-wise, so it's unsurprising it hasn't happened yet, but I kinda doubt it'll only impact the very end.

Another topic is stealing other superpowers. It does seem like MC could have potential to do it. He can pretty much perfectly copy a normal human. If he consumes somebody, it is implied that he could completly replace that person.
Now for superhumans. The only superhuman so far that the MC tried to Mimic is Oscar. So we can do that. MC obviously didn't try to use his powers, if he copied his body than maybe?
Obviously, it seams that superhumans are a bit more that just people with funny bodies. I think there's a certain energy in them that powers their abilities, and MC can't mimic a dark power or whatever. Yet.
I doubt he'll end up replicating powers. Not only is that absolutely OP and therefor would kill most of the fun on a storytelling standpoint (a protagonist that doesn't struggle and never face a foes too strong because he can do everything is no fun... Look at half the isekai animes out there), but it would also be an absolute mess, writing-wise.
Keeping that off the table would ensure you can drop new opponent that can wipe the floor with the MC, forcing new strategies, alliances, and growth, instead of just "use a different power and you're good".
 

DrakoGhoul

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We all would, in his shoes. When you have shapeshifting, why not have fun with it ?


Well... The sun kinda is a big ball of bruning gas emitting a buttload of radiations soooooo...


It's quite possible that at some point the new powers, or degree of improvement, will depend on the chosen Parent. After all, both seem to represent one side of his powers, the 3rd being the shapeshifting, and the 4th being the memory reading. WW did say at some point that the choice would have an impact later on, and we've yet to see that happen so far (not counting a text mention here or there obviously).
It's a bit of a bitch, writing-wise, so it's unsurprising it hasn't happened yet, but I kinda doubt it'll only impact the very end.


I doubt he'll end up replicating powers. Not only is that absolutely OP and therefor would kill most of the fun on a storytelling standpoint (a protagonist that doesn't struggle and never face a foes too strong because he can do everything is no fun... Look at half the isekai animes out there), but it would also be an absolute mess, writing-wise.
Keeping that off the table would ensure you can drop new opponent that can wipe the floor with the MC, forcing new strategies, alliances, and growth, instead of just "use a different power and you're good".
Yep, while I go on about wanting more power points and stuff, I'm not asking the dev to turn the game into a power fantasy. That's just me being a power point lunatic. It's why I've always been against the power stealing stuff or wanting to take Jake's power, for example, which was a popular theory that some wanted to happen. Copying animals to incorporate into his transformations is fine though.

Imagine if the MC had Klaus, Danica and Jake's power. The game would be so easy and the MC would need no effort to mindrape and cross people. Add that he would have Klaus's energy abilities on top of his own list of abilities and you'd get a MC who would be unchallenged by anyone who's in the same evolution lvl. He just has to turn into a small fly with thousands of eyes to one shot everyone with the cross attack.

I get the envy of wanting cool powers like everyone else in game though, Danica's power was one of my favorites, but the MC's powers are still good. Yes, the MC's weaknesses keep piling up, but he's still able to get meaningful growth and learn from these things. His Evolution lvl 3 should be the moment where we started really getting some crazy stuff for him, with how much build up it's getting.
 

Dominosaur

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You can avoid sleeping with Emily, Christie and Ella, if you shit talk their music. Possibly also if you just have Emily not like you.
 

DrakoGhoul

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You can avoid sleeping with Emily, Christie and Ella, if you shit talk their music. Possibly also if you just have Emily not like you.
I forgot that was even a choice. I guess Christie is the only one you can't avoid at all since it's apart of the story where you see Klaus. Unless I'm forgetting a choice there too.
 

Dimitrii

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You guys trying to do virgin run of that game or what? xD
We all would, in his shoes. When you have shapeshifting, why not have fun with it ?
True, true. Also proves some point about MC powers. Coz sure, shooting plasma or hitting stuff with gravity itself is cool, but you can't really fuck it, can ya?

It's quite possible that at some point the new powers, or degree of improvement, will depend on the chosen Parent. After all, both seem to represent one side of his powers, the 3rd being the shapeshifting, and the 4th being the memory reading. WW did say at some point that the choice would have an impact later on, and we've yet to see that happen so far (not counting a text mention here or there obviously).
It's a bit of a bitch, writing-wise, so it's unsurprising it hasn't happened yet, but I kinda doubt it'll only impact the very end.
Now I think about it, the whole situation is kinda weird. In the "Too strong, too soon" bad ending Ella says that MC inherited both traits. I guess she means traits from both parents - 3rd and 4th, so the powers of shapeshifting and mind-probing. But it can't be it, coz she doesn't know about mind reading? She is actually surprised if we tell her about it later on. And she kills us for it.
If she doesn't know about mind reading, what the hell does Ella think the second power is?

My guess, she thinks it is mimicry. In the "Too strong, too soon" ending, we attack Ella with tentacles, but also with poison we copied from jellyfish and something else. That's all we show her there. Now, when I think about it, Ella transforms a lot ofc, but I don't remember her using anything that appears copied. She uses tentacles, blades, she changes her body, she changes into huge blob monster, but she doesn't really changes into anything resembling actual animal (correct me if I'm wrong) while MC does it a lot. We also barely see her impersonating anyone. In fact, I think it happened only once when she impersonated MC. I think she can't really "copy" a person or animal. That one time with MC she pulled off, must have been just by micromanaging her shapeshifting, the same way MC tried with Deryl near the begginig of story. Ofc Ella have way, WAY better control over shapeshifting than MC, so "manually" impersonating someone was way easier, but I think that straight "copying" a person, animal or parts of them is out of reach for her.

So yeah, I belive that Ella have mistaken 4th's power to be mimicry (copying someone), while it's actually mindreading. With that mindreading, comes the power to copy a person perfectly, or understand how a body works (so poison the body produces, or that shrimp power clamp attack MC still is trying to pull off).

Always fun to overthing some stuff in this threat. xD
 

Rutonat

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True, true. Also proves some point about MC powers. Coz sure, shooting plasma or hitting stuff with gravity itself is cool, but you can't really fuck it, can ya?
Ho yes you can. But you'll only fuck it once. That's a yolo type thing.


Now I think about it, the whole situation is kinda weird. In the "Too strong, too soon" bad ending Ella says that MC inherited both traits. I guess she means traits from both parents - 3rd and 4th, so the powers of shapeshifting and mind-probing. But it can't be it, coz she doesn't know about mind reading? She is actually surprised if we tell her about it later on. And she kills us for it.
If she doesn't know about mind reading, what the hell does Ella think the second power is?[/QUOTE]
I think, in that bad end, you do tell her about it ? It's been a while but I remember the implication is that you basically tell her everything you have, which is the bad idea.


Now, when I think about it, Ella transforms a lot ofc, but I don't remember her using anything that appears copied. She uses tentacles, blades, she changes her body, she changes into huge blob monster, but she doesn't really changes into anything resembling actual animal (correct me if I'm wrong) while MC does it a lot. We also barely see her impersonating anyone. In fact, I think it happened only once when she impersonated MC. I think she can't really "copy" a person or animal. That one time with MC she pulled off, must have been just by micromanaging her shapeshifting, the same way MC tried with Deryl near the begginig of story. Ofc Ella have way, WAY better control over shapeshifting than MC, so "manually" impersonating someone was way easier, but I think that straight "copying" a person, animal or parts of them is out of reach for her.
You forget that, even by the beginning of the game, Ella is a level 4. She doesn't need to copy shit at that point, her power is already high enough that even low effort shapeshifting is enough for basically anything. Also it doesn't mean much, that could simply be her style. For example, Alice went a more close-combat route, with one absolute nuke for range, but her main kit is melee. She could just as well have decided to figure out how to first loads of mini-projectiles like her hands were two uzis with exploding rounds.
People just choose a style that suits them. Also, it's highly possible that the copying comes from the MC's mind power, since he gets to know how the animal he copies uses it rather than just the technical know-how he'd learn in school.
So without getting the "feel" part, Ella wouldn't know how to use those anyway. Either that or, simply, their shapeshifting isn't exactly the same. Kinda like Alexis ability to created spikes (if I'm not mistaken that's her power ? DrakoGhoul ? That's her right ? And Clark's something else ? Gods my memory is shit :KEK:) and Deryl creates pretty much whatever he wants. If you look at the way they use it, both seem to have "creation type powers" but they are quite different. So while yes, Ella's and the MC's are very similar, nothing says they are exactly the same.
Otherwise that would mean there'd be only so many powers possible, so out of the hundreds of Superhumans that are supposedly around, most would have the same powers.
 

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after completing his task, the shopkeeper offers us a choice between an eye containing memories, a horn granting us 10 power, or a mask we can pick. I took the eye, but i still dont know what it does, he only said to enjoy it in my dreams. Do we know if it actually does anything or will it get a use further down the road?
 
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