DrakoGhoul

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While I agree that the MC could fight better at times, he's not that weak. I don't even need to explain why it's ridiculous that some of you even thought current MC should be able to put up a fight with literal lvl 5 superhumans in the first place.

Besides some people ignoring the fact that he's only had his powers for 6 months and has reached Peak lvl 2, Ella's students aren't a good comparison. They had theirs for an unknown amount of time. The lvl 5s at Hero took years to reach their lvls naturally and you think the MC should just be able to reach that lvl before even a year passed? While the serum could speed that up, he would still need to work with Hero to even get it in the first, unlike Ella.

Yes, the MC has lost a lot. I've detailed it all in an older post, in fact. But some of you guys are developing some weird power fantasy lvl desire for the MC to overcome every conflict, plot be damned. I'm not shaming those that like for MCs to be op with heavy plot armor but you guys are really expecting the MC, at lvl 2, to beat a lvl 5 character? A character that can teleport herself and also her target without even touching. This is on top of thinking you would be able to get away, unscathed, with a reckless attack against them in their base. How did some of you even think the MC would go about escaping afterwards?

Also, did we not just beat Valravn, who's equivalent to a lvl 3 while weakened, this update? Something no lvl 2 could have done. Who in hero, at our lvl, can do that and come out alive? Hell, now that it's revealed that Danica was lvl 2 with PPs in the 20s, the MC is way more impressive than previously thought. He beat her with just his 1st evolution and only like 13 PP. Laurie, a lvl 2 from hero, stood no chance against us and we didn't even go all out. That also goes for majority of Hero by the way. 90% of Hero is lvl 2s and weaker.

I've said all of this to say that some of you formed unrealistic expectations for the MC. The dev might be honeydicking us with lvl 3 evolution at this point, but when we get it, that's when it'll all change and it would make more sense to be able to battle against Hero. If it's allowed, of course. Until then, the reasonable thing for the current MC to do is train at Hero and get as strong as possible before shit goes to hell in the world.
 

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So the flesh melts when it gets separated from the body maybe because the power supply is lost so if we give it a battery of some sort should be able to hold longer an if we could give it a part of our mind to a working brain could it act on it's on i mean Daryl did it i know genius an all but he was using the bodies as proxy maybe because of the MC link the one we have got self aware i mean we asume memory is data every clone should have it on the brain but this one created an ego so we have the clone and the monster similar till that moment but now diffferent people, or a person and a monster. And lucius can clone himself to army level we have to see yet how he does it and the state of the clones to know for sure but it can be done when you go the psyco route eating Dani and Jake they speak on the MC mind . Autor doing it just to put the text there? maybe or maybe they are now split personalities of the MC mind i mean we have mother or father or maybe both talking to the MC from time to time. is a neural link? Are genetic memories? I'm taking to much because i still have not drink my morning late? maybe but creating clones looks posible not only MC clones but human clones and lucky enough other superhuman clones.
 

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I get why you wouldn't want the MC to be weak, but he simply isn't. The MC has proven to be a very smart fighter. His stamina is crazy too, he defeated Jack and then went straight for Deryl without any breaks, getting hit with acid, fire and bone. Through his adaptivity and skill he was able to defeat people who were much stronger than him (Valravn and Danica). But it's crazy to thing that he's gonna defeat somebody who's like evolution 5 while on evolution 2. If he blitzed through every fight, it would make the game just boring. I honestly don't remember the MC really LOSING a fight since his second evolution either, but I might be forgetting something. The closest things to a lose were winning the fight with Valravn dishonorably, the draw with Deryl, and the fight with Jake in the prison, the latter being something that doesn't happen in all playthroughs and only happens if you have a bad relationship with Jake. I might have forgotten something, but I'm pretty sure that's all of them. None of these are a lose really, the closest thing being the fight with Valravn and getting saved by Brianna.
 

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While I agree that the MC could fight better at times, he's not that weak. I don't even need to explain why it's ridiculous that some of you even thought current MC should be able to put up a fight with literal lvl 5 superhumans in the first place.

Besides some people ignoring the fact that he's only had his powers for 6 months and has reached Peak lvl 2, Ella's students aren't a good comparison. They had theirs for an unknown amount of time. The lvl 5s at Hero took years to reach their lvls naturally and you think the MC should just be able to reach that lvl before even a year passed? While the serum could speed that up, he would still need to work with Hero to even get it in the first, unlike Ella.

Yes, the MC has lost a lot. I've detailed it all in an older post, in fact. But some of you guys are developing some weird power fantasy lvl desire for the MC to overcome every conflict, plot be damned. I'm not shaming those that like for MCs to be op with heavy plot armor but you guys are really expecting the MC, at lvl 2, to beat a lvl 5 character? A character that can teleport herself and also her target without even touching. This is on top of thinking you would be able to get away, unscathed, with a reckless attack against them in their base. How did some of you even think the MC would go about escaping afterwards?

Also, did we not just beat Valravn, who's equivalent to a lvl 3 while weakened, this update? Something no lvl 2 could have done. Who in hero, at our lvl, can do that and come out alive? Hell, now that it's revealed that Danica was lvl 2 with PPs in the 20s, the MC is way more impressive than previously thought. He beat her with just his 1st evolution and only like 13 PP. Laurie, a lvl 2 from hero, stood no chance against us and we didn't even go all out. That also goes for majority of Hero by the way. 90% of Hero is lvl 2s and weaker.

I've said all of this to say that some of you formed unrealistic expectations for the MC. The dev might be honeydicking us with lvl 3 evolution at this point, but when we get it, that's when it'll all change and it would make more sense to be able to battle against Hero. If it's allowed, of course. Until then, the reasonable thing for the current MC to do is train at Hero and get as strong as possible before shit goes to hell in the world.
Very well put, they think just because the MC increases his power faster than most he can all of a sudden make miracles, he in multiple ocasions defeats people with evolution above his, he in multiple ocasions gets defeated due to his inexperience(by defeat i mean he is either on a critical state and comes back or hes in critical state and someone intervenes) and like you said, right now the MC has power and skill equivalent to the average lvl3 due to his experiences and is able to easily defeat lvl2 sups at HERO, but expecting the MC to be able to defeat lvl4 and lvl5 sups with his second evolution is just plain stupid, i can easily say that 99.9% of this comunity would prefer to live than to attack a lvl4 or lvl5 at HERO and be teleported into the sun or be desintegrated with a blast on the spot, i say 99.9% because there is always someone that will choose to attack for the sake of "pride", basically the Vegeta from the community.
 
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So the flesh melts when it gets separated from the body maybe because the power supply is lost so if we give it a battery of some sort should be able to hold longer an if we could give it a part of our mind to a working brain could it act on it's on i mean Daryl did it i know genius an all but he was using the bodies as proxy maybe because of the MC link the one we have got self aware i mean we asume memory is data every clone should have it on the brain but this one created an ego so we have the clone and the monster similar till that moment but now diffferent people, or a person and a monster. And lucius can clone himself to army level we have to see yet how he does it and the state of the clones to know for sure but it can be done when you go the psyco route eating Dani and Jake they speak on the MC mind . Autor doing it just to put the text there? maybe or maybe they are now split personalities of the MC mind i mean we have mother or father or maybe both talking to the MC from time to time. is a neural link? Are genetic memories? I'm taking to much because i still have not drink my morning late? maybe but creating clones looks posible not only MC clones but human clones and lucky enough other superhuman clones.
i think there is an explanation for Daryl doll to have become sentient, when original Daryl became the monster he technically lost conscience and is in a dream/coma like state and like Daryl explained earlier, he can control one while his original body is unconscious and he left the other body to dream, meaning that when he became a monster, his conscience was pushed into the doll and when he sleeps he sees through the eyes of the original that is on a dream/coma consciously speaking(acting on instinct alone).
 
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necromater

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Fuck it lets go full the blob and eat them or even better lets go the thing and make them do an among us first .
 

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Very well put, they think just because the MC increases his power faster than most he can all of a sudden make miracles, he in multiple ocasions defeats people with evolution above his, he in multiple ocasions gets defeated due to his inexperience(by defeat i mean he is either on a critical state and comes back or hes in critical state and someone intervenes) and like you said, right now the MC has power and skill equivalent to the average lvl3 due to his experiences and is able to easily defeat lvl2 sups at HERO, but expecting the MC to be able to defeat lvl4 and lvl5 sups with his second evolution is just plain stupid, i can easily say that 99.9% of this comunity would prefer to live than to attack a lvl4 or lvl5 at HERO and be teleported into the sun or be desintegrated with a blast on the spot, i say 99.9% because there is always someone that will choose to attack for the sake of "pride", basically the Vegeta from the community.
Insect!!!!!!!! . But yes you are right good old vegeta fucking things up just because of his pride. But even he grew up well just a tad but that is something.
 
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I just thought of something...
There is a possibility that the MC is Ella's brother, would explain why they have basically identical powers and how she thinks she might know something about his eye scar.
Wouldn't be far fetched since Ella's known brother literally asked her to take his virginity as a bday present...
Or im just overthinking too much and its all a coincidence.
 

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I just thought of something...
There is a possibility that the MC is Ella's brother, would explain why they have basically identical powers and how she thinks she might know something about his eye scar.
Wouldn't be far fetched since Ella's known brother literally asked her to take his virginity as a bday present...
Or im just overthinking too much and its all a coincidence.
AFAIK they have similar powers because they got the same monster.
 
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Does anybody have a link to a guide for gaining power (beyond the obvious like training asap and eating whenever you can)?

Looking to make my second playthrough a bit more min maxxed and the walthrough pdf linked in the OP is a bit TOO broad. Focused on everything.
 
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TerminusPrime

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not the same, the MC had 2 after him, and it still doesn't explain how she knows the mistery behind his scar if even he doesn't.
The MC hasn't been shown to have amnesia regarding any lost siblings. The MC doesn't have any sisters or brothers.

Do you know where it's stated Ella knows about his scars? I don't remember that from the story, but I might have overlooked it.

If Ella does know anything about his scars it's probably because of her eyes. The MC's power is concentrated in his spine, and gives him his tail. Ella's powers are likely concentrated in her eyes. You can kinda see it in the artwork. One of the most distinctive parts of Ella are her crazy eyes. But more than just the artwork we know Ella has special vision because Deus outright states that she does, and she might have been being partially truthful when she told Jake about her super power being her vision.

Ella has been shown to be able to identify the evolution and power rating of a superhuman by vision, and she can also see which people are compatible with a monster's infection along with which they are most compatible with according to both their genetics and their overall mental state. It's also possible that she's able to see what's up with the MC's scars similarly through that vision.
 
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The MC hasn't been shown to have amnesia regarding any lost siblings. The MC doesn't have any sisters or brothers.

Do you know where it's stated Ella knows about his scars? I don't remember that from the story, but I might have overlooked it.

If Ella does know anything about his scars it's probably because of her eyes. The MC's power is concentrated in his spine, and gives him his tail. Ella's powers are likely concentrated in her eyes. You can kinda see it in the artwork. One of the most distinctive parts of Ella are her crazy eyes. But more than just the artwork we know Ella has special vision because Deus outright states that she does, and she might have been being partially truthful when she told Jake about her super power being her vision.

Ella has been shown to be able to identify the evolution and power rating of a superhuman by vision, and she can also see which people are compatible with a monster's infection along with which they are most compatible with according to both their genetics and their overall mental state. It's also possible that she's able to see what's up with the MC's scars similarly through that vision.
She mentions knowing about the MC scars in her last time talking to the MC, it happens in the last optional training event, thats why most people miss it, she seens to know more about the MC but can't reveal it just yet and then mentions that she will reveal more about the scar or something like that.
Powers in most movies and such when inside a bloodline are not always identical, but the way they function almost always are, so we could fit it in a game too, the way the MC and Ella powers work is different, but their functions(black tentacles, changing shape, even their mass manipulation) are virtually the same... only thing that changes are from where their source comes from, like i said, im not speaking as a fact, im just leaving one idea that could potentially have some truth to it.
 
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She mentions knowing about the MC scars in her last time talking to the MC, it happens in the last optional training event, thats why most people miss it, she seens to know more about the MC but can't reveal it just yet and then mentions that she will reveal more about the scar or something like that.
Powers in most movies and such when inside a bloodline are not always identical, but the way they function almost always are, so we could fit it in a game too, the way the MC and Ella powers work is different, but their functions(black tentacles, changing shape, even their mass manipulation) are virtually the same... only thing that changes are from where their source comes from, like i said, im not speaking as a fact, im just leaving one idea that could potentially have some truth to it.
I'll go back over that scene, thanks for pointing it out.

I guess you could kinda say MC and Ella are either siblings or cousins, but that's because they get their powers from the same monsters, and not due to any mortal blood relationship. Ella received her powers from the 3rd and MC from either the 3rd or 4th, but both of those monsters have the same powers. That's why they have powers that are so closely related.

We also know Charlie and Oscar were siblings, but there is no similarity in the powers that they received, and that's because they were infected by different monsters.
 

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I just thought of something...
There is a possibility that the MC is Ella's brother, would explain why they have basically identical powers and how she thinks she might know something about his eye scar.
Wouldn't be far fetched since Ella's known brother literally asked her to take his virginity as a bday present...
Or im just overthinking too much and its all a coincidence.
Monster siblings yes at least Alabama cousins if they get handsy they are both Eldrich spawn ella more body horror and lets be honest since most pick Mommy as progenitor the MC of the mind corruptor kind. Now why she is hard on doing the yandere shit maybe something that has to be with what happen to the MC human mother maybe she Killed her and ate her. Who knows?
 

DrakoGhoul

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Very well put, they think just because the MC increases his power faster than most he can all of a sudden make miracles, he in multiple ocasions defeats people with evolution above his, he in multiple ocasions gets defeated due to his inexperience(by defeat i mean he is either on a critical state and comes back or hes in critical state and someone intervenes) and like you said, right now the MC has power and skill equivalent to the average lvl3 due to his experiences and is able to easily defeat lvl2 sups at HERO, but expecting the MC to be able to defeat lvl4 and lvl5 sups with his second evolution is just plain stupid, i can easily say that 99.9% of this comunity would prefer to live than to attack a lvl4 or lvl5 at HERO and be teleported into the sun or be desintegrated with a blast on the spot, i say 99.9% because there is always someone that will choose to attack for the sake of "pride", basically the Vegeta from the community.
Yeah. I've said for months that if Nico came after us, we'd never be able to escape her. She doesn't even need to be strong for your average lvl 5. Her stats alone would still be way above the MC and you pair that with her teleportation. The MC can't fight or run away from her, especially at lvl 2.

I just thought of something...
There is a possibility that the MC is Ella's brother, would explain why they have basically identical powers and how she thinks she might know something about his eye scar.
Wouldn't be far fetched since Ella's known brother literally asked her to take his virginity as a bday present...
Or im just overthinking too much and its all a coincidence.
Ella already knew about the scars from when the MC first visited her orphanage. I don't think they're related in that way. She most likely stalked him early on or did some research into him at the time. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if she actually killed his mom and gave him the scars herself while she was under the influence of her monster, the 3rd.
AFAIK they have similar powers because they got the same monster.
Correct. They're monster siblings. Ella has said it numerous times in game. Last update officially confirmed that Ella's parent is the 3rd which you can share with her. If you chose that in the beginning. Most people chose the 4th though because Mommy's the best.

Does anybody have a link to a guide for gaining power (beyond the obvious like training asap and eating whenever you can)?

Looking to make my second playthrough a bit more min maxxed and the walthrough pdf linked in the OP is a bit TOO broad. Focused on everything.
I believe someone posted their own in this thread at some point. They'll either pop back up and tag you with it or you can search through the thread for it. I never used it, personally, though so I'm not sure how efficient it was but it should help you some.
 

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Correct. They're monster siblings. Ella has said it numerous times in game. Last update officially confirmed that Ella's parent is the 3rd which you can share with her. If you chose that in the beginning. Most people chose the 4th though because Mommy's the best.
Lets be real people choose the fourth because of the mutant blowjob
 

DrakoGhoul

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Lets be real people choose the fourth because of the mutant blowjob
True.

Wow really?
i thought mc is her brother considering he have the same hairstyle
Yeah, it was revealed via a character card. I called it months ago that Charlie and Oscar were siblings. Too much was lined up for them. It would also be way too unlikely that the MC completely forgot he had a sister when the attack happened 5 years ago but he remembers everything before and after it happened.
 
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