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Can't wait for mia stuff I'm finna go crazy for the petite strawberry
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I have the same issue, but in the files of the game theres images of the fight i havent seen ingame, so there must be something to do to him... i just dont know what
After meeting start requirements,
Keep distance while fighting
Go allout
Don't need evolution
If I had a penny for everytime someone asked about the Valravn fight instead of searching the thread I'd have a pretty stack of pennies.
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Without mentioning that even when you don't know at all so that you consider the asking name in it, there is only 16 possibilities
Did you take the horn ? personally i didn't and i choose to not go all out and it worked
The fight allows the MC to win even if he fails both power and skill check. It just means he'll get through it with 3 victory points, which will trigger help from Brianna and Val acting all butthurt how it was dishonorable etc.
Dishonourable win maybe
Literally zero fucks given about what a monster who murders defenseless people thinks is honorable.
(similar amount for Nico's opinion. Bitch, you couldn't do shit to that guy yourself, just sit down)
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I think monsters give literally zero fucks to the morals values of monkeys that get angry at them cause they eat their kinds, while those same monkeys also eat others livings beings.
But if one of the monsters has honor, and one of the monkeys has to, then those two at least can communicate each other on that point, the rest is irrelevant in the both ways.
That's the point, he doesn't. So all his yapping about it is worthless.
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Guess the point is your definition of honor is not the same that the one that is commonly used.
Here it is, the end of the line the "i just repeat the previous argument twisting it in my way", basically saying "i'm right cause i am", sad we could not continue further.
Here it is, the end of the line the "i just repeat the previous argument twisting it in my way", basically saying "i'm right cause i am", sad we could not continue further.
And what do you think is the commonly used definition of honor? Personally, am under impression common definition of honor doesn't involve "murdering people who have absolutely no chance to stand up to you, while running with tail behind legs from people who are stronger than you", but perhaps am mistaken, so go ahead; elaborate.
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First of all, the way you formulate your question is fallacious, but that can be not on purpose so i'l just go over it.
The (not "my" like you said, but "the") common definition of honor is : high respect or great esteem toward something, that can be toward morale, but not necessarily, in this case for example, its toward duty.
2nd like i already said, he eat peoples, livings beings that not his kind, like those peoples do when they eat other livings beings that not their kind, this point is not about murder or balance of power, he just eat animals, if a cow was better to recover his power he would eat cows and not humans, so taking it in the honor thing is just hypocrite.
And finally since he isn't suicidal, he know those "stronger than him" who chased him would kill him on sight so he couldn't talk to them even if he wanted, therefore he couldn't known if they did it by duty or not (spoiler : no), plus the fact that until then he already have contact with other superhumans and none of them have been honourable.
But he speak with the MC and he acknowledge the MC is not fighting him by thirst of power or knowledge like the previous ones, but by duty toward the title that peoples give to him (hero) even if he didn't claim it himself, and its cause he showed respect toward that that he changed the place of the fight, allowing the remaining humans to live, giving respect to the MC duty by that, despite his own interest.
So at the beginning of the fight, only Valravn show honor, the MC show it only if he fight until the end without help, cause he asked for a one vs one that not involve humans in name of the duty of protecting those humans, in the line of choices when you win thanx Brianna you break your words, by involving those you were supposed to protect for win, making this win dishonourable.
After we can think honor is superfluous, not important, less important than win or whatever else, that up to each one and it another debate, but fact is : Valravn shown honor in this fight, and if we win thanx Brianna we didn't, we can also notice that in the dead event he still speak to the MC with respect cause in the dead event we didn't involve anyone, fighting with honor until the end.
The (not "my" like you said, but "the") common definition of honor is : high respect or great esteem toward something, that can be toward morale, but not necessarily, in this case for example, its toward duty.
2nd like i already said, he eat peoples, livings beings that not his kind, like those peoples do when they eat other livings beings that not their kind, this point is not about murder or balance of power, he just eat animals, if a cow was better to recover his power he would eat cows and not humans, so taking it in the honor thing is just hypocrite.
And finally since he isn't suicidal, he know those "stronger than him" who chased him would kill him on sight so he couldn't talk to them even if he wanted, therefore he couldn't known if they did it by duty or not (spoiler : no), plus the fact that until then he already have contact with other superhumans and none of them have been honourable.
But he speak with the MC and he acknowledge the MC is not fighting him by thirst of power or knowledge like the previous ones, but by duty toward the title that peoples give to him (hero) even if he didn't claim it himself, and its cause he showed respect toward that that he changed the place of the fight, allowing the remaining humans to live, giving respect to the MC duty by that, despite his own interest.
So at the beginning of the fight, only Valravn show honor, the MC show it only if he fight until the end without help, cause he asked for a one vs one that not involve humans in name of the duty of protecting those humans, in the line of choices when you win thanx Brianna you break your words, by involving those you were supposed to protect for win, making this win dishonourable.
After we can think honor is superfluous, not important, less important than win or whatever else, that up to each one and it another debate, but fact is : Valravn shown honor in this fight, and if we win thanx Brianna we didn't, we can also notice that in the dead event he still speak to the MC with respect cause in the dead event we didn't involve anyone, fighting with honor until the end.
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Dont let this debate about whatever distract you from the fact that mental battle with jake on prison is still the best fight scene in the game
I've said what "you" think is "the" common definition (because you're not an universal arbiter on the matter, and so you can only offer your personal take on it) but that's beside the point. What about the equally common definition of honor which is "the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right", why would you entirely disregard this one?
No, the hypocrisy is claiming to have higher standards than it's actually the case. People don't eat creatures they recognize cognitive enough to grasp highly abstract intellectual concepts. Val doesn't "just eat animals", he possesses enough intelligence to recognize these "animals" as someone he can have intellectual discourse with, beings which can understand and observe the concept of honor. It's disingenuous at best to present his behavior as no different from what humans do.
He doesn't know it, because such thing evidently never actually happened to him (if it did then he would be dead) He merely presumes and acts like a coward on this presumption. Which is fine but acting like a coward generally doesn't fit "the common definition of honor".
That's what he claims. In practice he complains like a little bitch that the MC is getting a minor assistance which wasn't even hurting him, then he forcefully moves the fight to another place where the distraction can't reach. He isn't doing this "despite his own interest", doing it is in his own interest.
Effectively, he expects an opponent weaker than him to provide him with a fight in which he holds clear power advantage. While, like mentioned earlier he isn't willing to risk doing the same when the shoe is on the other foot and when it's his opponent who is more powerful. That's the extent of his "honor".
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I'm in a pinch here, i clearly see that you don't do it on purpose and don't have bad intents but your argumentation is so full of fallacious and cheap rhetoric that its actually really hard to discuss, guess that due to the habit that peoples nowadays have to tend to not debate but to trying persuade others they are right, plus the fact that its not oral and asynchronous.
But i think i've understood your overall point of view, thanx for your time and if you didn't, i encourage you to read carefully what the characters are saying and doing several routes for seeing the variations of the scenes, somes provides differents informations and points of view.
But i think i've understood your overall point of view, thanx for your time and if you didn't, i encourage you to read carefully what the characters are saying and doing several routes for seeing the variations of the scenes, somes provides differents informations and points of view.
I'm fine with "agree to disagree", although it could do without that display of condescending attitude; because, if i had to be honest, i have similar opinion on your take on this subject. Our interpretations clearly differ, let's leave it at that.
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With the hopes its as i think, and not just a bad faith leaving door.
For my improvement, if you could explain to me with arguments and corrects terms, wich way i was fallacious that would help me to not doing it again, i'm pretty well informed on the subject so you can go technical for this one.
Also with the same spirit, which terms did you find condescending ? maybe my lacks in english made me use words that are insults or attacks without realizing it, the subject is pretty hard to explain even in my native language so i'm would not be surprised to had used harsh terms or misspelled somes.
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Love and Happiness on you (and on those who read cause its free).
For my improvement, if you could explain to me with arguments and corrects terms, wich way i was fallacious that would help me to not doing it again, i'm pretty well informed on the subject so you can go technical for this one.
Also with the same spirit, which terms did you find condescending ? maybe my lacks in english made me use words that are insults or attacks without realizing it, the subject is pretty hard to explain even in my native language so i'm would not be surprised to had used harsh terms or misspelled somes.
(pm is fine my goal is not display)
Love and Happiness on you (and on those who read cause its free).