necromater

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The hilarious part is that's not even my murderhobo playthrough. it's way worse on that one. Demi didn't even make it to the cabin. It's honestly fucked up how you reach Hero Base and Mia is all lost and shit with no one meeting her there. :KEK:
bro now i feel bad.... fuck it i am gonna do it
 

necromater

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The hilarious part is that's not even my murderhobo playthrough. it's way worse on that one. Demi didn't even make it to the cabin. It's honestly fucked up how you reach Hero Base and Mia is all lost and shit with no one meeting her there. :KEK:
Dude......... thats kind of dark and now i feel bad i guess i do not like dark humor
 

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It would've got even darker if the MC could've ate Mia too. She was basically ripe for pickings there. I'm a monster, I know.
meh i know worse im married to one and she is the nicest of her group of friends. my dog hides when they come to visit thats not a really good sign.
 
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First off please excuse the terrible English, it's not my native language.
Secondly I'm writing this after a 12 hour session with the game to get caught up and because this game is fucking AWESOME, So I definitely will be wrong on some or all points or speculations cuz I'm remembering shit wrong.

- Corruption vs willpower will be the paths laid before us, there is no good or evil path, corruption is not evil and willpower is wont be good.
I think Ella went the corruption path and (original) Deryl probably went the willpower path

- The one(s) pulling Ella's strings is probably one of the 12 maybe even the one of the "dead" ones.
Ella abso-fucking-lutely has a different agenda than them.

- "Original" Deryl could have done the same thing the TTS emperor of mankind did (severing his humanity and making it into the star child) and put it inside the proxy Deryl. That's why proxy Deryl asks the mc if he feels like his humanity is slipping and if so what he thinks about that. There will be conflict with what Deryl will decide to do with his "original" self.

- Michael and the MC will also have some conflict down the line, although I don't see Michael EVER joining S.I.N and Ella(too much politicking and scheming). He may follow the MC because in the grant scheme the thing he lives for the most is a challenge (but I doubt it).

- Don't think Alice is gonna die (especially now), also I don't think there will be much conflict between Alice and the MC (agenda wise), even if you went full murderhobo.

- I also don't see the mc making an independent faction (he's too weak, at least at the moment) what I do see happening is a taking over either H.E.R.O. or S.I.N. and molding it into HIS faction (for/against the public, for/against the government, with or against the monsters).
(would also be easier for WW to implement rather than having HOURS of exclusive story content and variables BETWEEN H.E.R.O. and S.I.N.)

- I may be reading the to much into it, but when Ella say in one of the Training events that YOUR 3rd evolution will be different.
of course that may refer to, that all(for every superhuman) the 3rd evolutions are different than the 2nds, 4ths and 5ths (1st being ofc the infection itself) but maybe it's a subtle hint Ella throws the MC that the power spike may be more or different to that a regular superhuman.

- Honestly hope the characters like Liz, Amber, Emily, etc. don't get monster powers (or if so don't reach much further than Evolution 2) because I would hate the "super saiyan bargain sale" effect it may have on the story.

My opinion for who Del is? he could be one of the orphans form Ella's orphanage that is being controlled by or has sided with Charlie.
 
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ScholarOfTheFirstSin

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My opinion for who Del is? he could be one of the orphans form Ella's orphanage that is being controlled by or has sided with Charlie.
Either ella planted the brat on H.E.R.O as a mole and this is her plan to bring mc to her cause
or
He has his own agenda and decide to rogue(this make him a major character)
 
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Hmm... even on curruption path i did not kill demi... So far her power doesn't seem that useful, people liking you is okay, but being a stalker magnet just seems annoying... You don't even get +1 power for killing her so why even bother...
Jake, Danica, Kenny, Baily and the Milkmonster might give new powers in the future, Demi alive might still give boosts to public/government... I don't see Danica or Jake being very useful if left alive, perhaps some romance path for Danica...

Either way it's unlikely any of the persons you can eat will have major roles in the story in the future. It could be some might give you powers you otherwise get from the shop eye, it's not clear what the eye does now anyway...
 
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- Corruption vs willpower will be the paths laid before us, there is no good or evil path, corruption is not evil and willpower is wont be good.
I think Ella went the corruption path and (original) Deryl probably went the willpower path
Either you are corrupted or not, willpower is never a choice or variable. However "moral" is, but you can have high or low moral no matter how corrupted you are... Effectively the 2 main paths are corruption/power versus skill/no corruption.
Your moral stat represents if you are good or evil.... Corruption represents (inner) monster influence on you... (or you on them, with enough corruption you can submit the Minyak and understand more of your monster parents language)

The other variables are public and government, but even those can (both) be high with a decent level of corruption...
It's easier to have them high on the non corruption path, corruption choices often result in gov/publ opinion dropping

No way to tell what Ella or Deryl's paths are but based on their actions there is no way either of them has zero corruption.
Deryl is monsterfied (a possible side effect of high corruption) and Ella kills too easy and often, however when she finds the heart she mentions "not wanting to get corrupted too soon"...

As for the third evolution being different, i guess we might get some powers/abilities based on the characters we've eaten or even just based on our corruption. On the zero corruption path we could gain these abilities from the shop eye (memories of a monster) without branches being too different to avoid extra work. That's why i also do not expect there will be separate SIN and HERO paths... In the story it really doesn't make a difference if you get fucked over by SIN, by Ella or by Hero...

You need to get stronger and you need to survive. We know the monsters all have their own goals and reasons, they even have enemies between them... We know their lords still need to arrive, so no matter how strong the numbered monsters are, it's very likely the lords are much stronger.... It's not unlikely in the end everybody will need to fight these lords.... (except whoever you've eaten lol)
 

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Michael Vs MC is gonna be just a kenpachi shit like i do not need a reason i just love power and to test that power in battle. and demi power is really more like to create a cult or a church she kinda already did it with the fanclub and the gospel of gay monster porn
 
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I feel like Del could be a Deryl clone. We never see his face or even his skin, when he first gets in a fight with deryl he forfeits instantly, he can create shit from his body, and he seems keen on Charlie who's protecting the OG Deryl. The how and why are up in the air of course but it fits.
 
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ya'll, I couldn't kill demi even on my corrupt playthrough. They're a great ally, like just my own little worshipper whose power can basically get me more worshippers to provide protection from government attacks? It's worth sparring one brainwashed human's life (who wasn't even a threat to me). And while harem building isn't my first priority, already being a part of it does help.
 

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You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.
 

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You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.
Every fucking prick and cunt in this game is fucking with us so yes lets just roll with it.
 

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You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.
When it comes to Deus, no. He's motivated by whatever future he saw and wants to make sure that version happens, as far as we can tell. He most likely won't deviate from that path. We already know this because he told the MC he lets Ella roam because he needs her to achieve certain things. In that same path, the MC must play an important role.

What I mean by that is, take Valravn's heart as an example. This is speculation but Deus gave it to him right before the MC gets taken to Hero so that the MC would be able to gain more when joining. The MC was already going to join so why would Deus go out his way to manipulate the events further? Probably because he knew the MC wouldn't gain as much importance or certain resources from HERO otherwise for his needed future growth.

All that said, I don't think Deus is on our side but I also don't think he's plotting our downfall. The MC is most likely a key piece for all the events to occur. He's giving everyone a "push" in certain directions but we know he's altering timeline stuff(maybe Zack had the events charted out for what's supposed to happen) to accommodate the MC along the way.

All that above is my view on Deus. I think he's mostly neutral on everything unless it's important for the future.
 

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I feel like Del could be a Deryl clone. We never see his face or even his skin, when he first gets in a fight with deryl he forfeits instantly, he can create shit from his body, and he seems keen on Charlie who's protecting the OG Deryl. The how and why are up in the air of course but it fits.
I wouldn't like for Del to be Deryl, mainly because it doesn't fit in the timeline given as far as I'm aware, unless Deryl lied to us before turning into a monster which would just be really low of him, like, come on man, I thought we were friends, but you even lied after that fight and having remembered the reason why we are supposed to be friends on the first place?

However, I think it is in fact Deryl because of his dialogues (Which COULD just be red herrings, but still), for example:

-When we go on a mission with him for the first time he says that he always wanted to go to R&X and that he has a feeling he was good in school.
-If we refuse to go on that mission with him he says: "I probably have enough saved up for one fight." (Could be his gasoline, but it could also be Deryl's Golden substance, I mean, the Deryl clone we now doesn't have to save up his golden substance, but maybe because Del is still connected to monster Deryl he does?).
-On that mission he mentions how he knows about Mia, and I don't buy that he just heard it from some random people.
-When returning from the mission he specifically mentions how he shudders when thinking about becoming a monster as an excuse for him not taking of the helmet, and when we say he won't he goes: "Yeah.... maybe.".
-He also says: "I hear some of the rougher evolutions can result in temporary memory loss.", and we respond with : "I'd rather that then becoming a monster.", which makes him go: "Yeah, that's for sure..." (Side note, hope we don't lose our memories when we reach 3rd evo).
-When we return to H.E.R.O's base he also says "I guess I shouldn't be surprised that we get along.".

And that's 6 instances of sus behaviour in only one event, of course there's a bit more tho:

-When we find him and Laurie coming back from a mission after having met them the day before they talk about the importance of the helmets to which Laurie says that it's safer to just wear them rather than chance being corrupted, to which Del replies: "....I agree. It's a terrifying thing, the idea that you might lose your mind.".
-When giving us a tour of the base he mentions that Xanthe is his inspitarion, and if I recall correctly Deryl also said a similar thing a while back.
-When we go to the interview with Del and Laurie and the reporters harass us at the entrance he says : "Just pisses me a bunch of random reporters think they can push me around just cause I look like a kid." (Look like instead of am?)

So yeah, if you look at him with him being Deryl's clone in mind the thing he says, his name and his personality in general do fit. And that's why I think he will end up being a clone after all, even though I don't think it makes too much sense from a logical point of view or even timeline wise. Idk, I might be missing something that makes it so him being Deryl makes complete sense, or maybe IT IS all a red herring and WW is gonna take him in a totally different path that makes him a more relevant character in the future of the story.
 

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I wouldn't like for Del to be Deryl, mainly because it doesn't fit in the timeline given as far as I'm aware,
The timeline is not the problem. There's been time skips in the story. When Ella finds the heart of the monster that birthed Goliath (the heart did lol, it wasn't even the complete monster) she says they've already been in that mine for 2 months.
In the story that happens same day you beat Jake... (in the game you're on day 61 for both scenes)

More important is what Deryl tells you when he joins the fight between Jake and you. He tells the Deryl in Alice's basement is a clone, same as he (the Deryl fighting) and that he has been working on a third... That one isn't finished at that time...
However you beat (or get beaten by) the original Deryl short after Jake's fight. This ends with Deryl evolving, monsterfying and fleeing to Ella's cave base. So there is another Deryl Clone, we just don't know if it's finished yet...

Del being afraid to monsterfy could have been caused by him seeing the monsterfied Deryl in the cave base...
He's also scared shitless for Bramon Xanthe (known for cutting up monsters for science)... It could fit the theory...
But why would it be important that Del is another Deryl clone?

Del could be the fourth of the original orphans and still fulfil any role he has now... (or any orphan really, it doesn't matter)
The third (unfinished) Deryl clone could be used to give original Deryl a normal body again.... Somehow Del doesn't seem to be a good alternative to R&X Deryl's body... And we can advise Deryl to rejoin, coexcist with or kill the original...
Fair is fair, it would be funny having the original Deryl running around in kid form when his coexisting clone is an adult...

Original Deryl's evolution resulting in forming 4 heads with a level of autonomy, even for R&X Deryl and the third clone, seems a plausible explanation. It would also explain why original Deryl is level 2, while the clone is level 1.... (and Del too)
But currently i don't see any obvious reasons for the story to depend on Del being Deryl's clone...
Personally i don't think Del is Deryl's clone, but it's not impossible either....
 
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What if Del is the original Deryl with his child body morphed by Ella and his memory loss was caused by Charlie's taboo?
That would be a very complicated theory to make plausible.
More important.... Why? What is the importance of Del being Deryl, a Deryl clone or just another orphan?
We don't know enough of Charlie's or Zara's powers to conclude they can wipe memories, we only know they both seem to have mental powers, just like Jake, but we do know Jake is able to make people forget... (as he ordered Laurie to do)

Even if Ella could morph Deryl to the form of his younger self, it's still unclear why? Just to spy? And how could the clone evolve and leave the original at level 1? That really needs more explanation to make sense...
 

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This crap is like the Saw movies i hope the Twist is like the first ones because from the third and Beyond sucked spiral almost did it but it was clear as day it was the cop.
 
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