VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[vogelbeest]

I think it'll focus more on the memory aspect more than his shapeshifting.

If he gets any power based on the people he ate, there are strong indications they're going to be mind control or influence...
You can eat Kenny ; Kenny spits oil to create "soldiers", we know from Bailey she got telepathic orders from Kenny...
You can eat Jake ; Jake's powers speak for themselves... You can eat Calvin the researcher at HERO ; "Calvin's area of research being into monster thought patterns and psychology." You can kill Demi, but you don't eat her/his memories, weird enough these powers are in the mental/influence area too, so it would fit with the others...

You can eat the 4 thugs in the cafe ; thug memories, maybe useful for your work with Alice but otherwise unknown..
You can eat Eric and his 2 henchman, but besides being manipulative crooks they don't seem to give any specific knowledge. (enough to finish your plan, but that's most likely related to helping out Liz and possibly Lucy)
You can eat AB, but you're to tired to even process the content, you just store his knowledge in case you ever need it...
You can kill Nikki, but no mention of gaining any memories, you just kill, compress the body and trash it...
Just corrupted people, besides more corruption the only thing i see coming from this is decreased morals...
Corruption level is important for submitting monsters, that alone can be valuable... Downside being your tail, that thing might turn into the next serial killer just by itself...

You can eat the farmer, but since you already ate his herd you only are about to vomit, no info on any knowledge gained.
You can eat the milkmonster ; no mention of memories gained, but the milk Angelina produces regenerates/heals...
There's a connection between farmers and milk.... But besides starting a career in monster dairy farms, there's no obvious benefit from that. But again they increase your corruption....

And finally you can eat Christie ; dead end though, so that's definitely useless in terms of gaining powers...

If we can eat Deryl in the future, that might fit in as well, but more in terms of controlling summons, something Kenny's powers already offer, but Deryl getting 4 heads so 4 brains, might indicate greater autonomy for your "summons" or splitting yourself.. Charly and Zara would fit a possible mental power gained too, if we ever get the option to eat them...

 

[vogelbeest]

This will also allow him to abandon his body completely and reform at any place in his recent memories. Kind of like how the 3rd and 4th turned to goo and disappeared after turning the MC.

Ella "Haha, as if I could be killed so easily. You could vaporize my body and I'd still survive if there was even the slightest trace of me remaining."

From the dead end after your first fight if you didn't train : (you're on your first evolution here, lol)

Female "Ugh. Call Malik will you? Tell him to come over here and torch the remains. This guy had some of the best regenerative powers I've ever seen, he was definitely infected by an S class."
Female "Who knows, he might be able to come back from even this."

You "(Ugh. Where am I? What happened?)"
You "(W-what's this heat, I-)"
"A scorching inferno engulfs my helpless form, erasing me from existence, leaving no trace of my flesh and blood behind."

Seems liquifying like the monsters did after your infection, and you did during your fight with Valravn is the basis of the shapeshifting ability, once infected you start "melting"... However cutting of your head when captured by Klaus, or surviving being cut in half by Klaus, is due to your regenerative powers, if we look at Ella we see the same ; only a small part needs to survive to regenerate, it can be liquid or in Ella's case just vapor...

 

[DrakoGhoul]

If he gets any power based on the people he ate, there are strong indications they're going to be mind control or influence...
You can eat Kenny ; Kenny spits oil to create "soldiers", we know from Bailey she got telepathic orders from Kenny...
You can eat Jake ; Jake's powers speak for themselves... You can eat Calvin the researcher at HERO ; "Calvin's area of research being into monster thought patterns and psychology." You can kill Demi, but you don't eat her/his memories, weird enough these powers are in the mental/influence area too, so it would fit with the others...

You can eat the 4 thugs in the cafe ; thug memories, maybe useful for your work with Alice but otherwise unknown..
You can eat Eric and his 2 henchman, but besides being manipulative crooks they don't seem to give any specific knowledge. (enough to finish your plan, but that's most likely related to helping out Liz and possibly Lucy)
You can eat AB, but you're to tired to even process the content, you just store his knowledge in case you ever need it...
You can kill Nikki, but no mention of gaining any memories, you just kill, compress the body and trash it...
Just corrupted people, besides more corruption the only thing i see coming from this is decreased morals...
Corruption level is important for submitting monsters, that alone can be valuable... Downside being your tail, that thing might turn into the next serial killer just by itself...

You can eat the farmer, but since you already ate his herd you only are about to vomit, no info on any knowledge gained.
You can eat the milkmonster ; no mention of memories gained, but the milk Angelina produces regenerates/heals...
There's a connection between farmers and milk.... But besides starting a career in monster dairy farms, there's no obvious benefit from that. But again they increase your corruption....

And finally you can eat Christie ; dead end though, so that's definitely useless in terms of gaining powers...

If we can eat Deryl in the future, that might fit in as well, but more in terms of controlling summons, something Kenny's powers already offer, but Deryl getting 4 heads so 4 brains, might indicate greater autonomy for your "summons" or splitting yourself.. Charly and Zara would fit a possible mental power gained too, if we ever get the option to eat them...

Ella "Haha, as if I could be killed so easily. You could vaporize my body and I'd still survive if there was even the slightest trace of me remaining."

From the dead end after your first fight if you didn't train : (you're on your first evolution here, lol)

Female "Ugh. Call Malik will you? Tell him to come over here and torch the remains. This guy had some of the best regenerative powers I've ever seen, he was definitely infected by an S class."
Female "Who knows, he might be able to come back from even this."

You "(Ugh. Where am I? What happened?)"
You "(W-what's this heat, I-)"
"A scorching inferno engulfs my helpless form, erasing me from existence, leaving no trace of my flesh and blood behind."

Seems liquifying like the monsters did after your infection, and you did during your fight with Valravn is the basis of the shapeshifting ability, once infected you start "melting"... However cutting of your head when captured by Klaus, or surviving being cut in half by Klaus, is due to your regenerative powers, if we look at Ella we see the same ; only a small part needs to survive to regenerate, it can be liquid or in Ella's case just vapor...

???

Keep in mind that I don't really see most of this coming to the game and would be shocked if it did.

 

[N1CKs001]

Wonder would the next update emphasize more on the corruption level like depending on your corruption level on how your power becomes more stronger but with caveats like you become more and more evil or bad, maybe unhinged like what we saw in one of the bad ends

Though I'm hoping like a balance between good and corrupt like certain choice its better to kill of and consume the person for the power etc, thoughts?

 

[mcmng]

He'll shorten the distance between his tailbone and head. This will allow his power to flow throughout his body at an even greater accelerated rate.

OMG female form becoming the main one confirmed!!!!11!1




lol jk, I think that would piss off a good portion of the coomer playerbase

 

[syuura1]

Wow, I've been reading alot of the comments on this thread and realized how much of the story I either missed or did not understand. As I want to have a better understanding of the lore, I have some questions I hope others can answer:

1) I was under the impression that you were infected by both the 3rd and 4th, but reading through comments it seems to be one or the other. The ability you get (shapeshifting) doesn't change no matter which monster infects you, so does that mean both the 3rd and 4th have the same power?

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

 

[TerminusPrime]

Wow, I've been reading alot of the comments on this thread and realized how much of the story I either missed or did not understand. As I want to have a better understanding of the lore, I have some questions I hope others can answer:

1) I was under the impression that you were infected by both the 3rd and 4th, but reading through comments it seems to be one or the other. The ability you get (shapeshifting) doesn't change no matter which monster infects you, so does that mean both the 3rd and 4th have the same power?

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

1) You get two aspects of the power of the 3rd or 4th. Their shapeshifting power and their memory reading power. Both of them are shown to be capable of using each of those powers when they infect you. As far as we've seen the 4th is a stronger mind reader than the 3rd, but we haven't witnessed any other differences between the two other than their appearance yet in the story.
Valravyn calls the 3rd the Body and the 4th the Memory, so there are implied differences between them, but nothing that's been shown so far to further differentiate between them.

2) I don't remember the exact quote, but Alice's monster parent the Blue Fairy tells you a little bit when it talks to you after the car crash.
Edit: I might have misremembered this. It was either there or when the MC had the vision when they were evolving that made reference to the 12 numbered.

3) They seem to be fossilized pieces of an ancient monster, but the last update showed that Deryl's Monster Form was able to make an effigy to replace one out of other objects. We don't know what purpose Ella has for collecting them yet.

 

[vogelbeest]

Wonder would the next update emphasize more on the corruption level like depending on your corruption level on how your power becomes more stronger but with caveats like you become more and more evil or bad, maybe unhinged like what we saw in one of the bad ends

Though I'm hoping like a balance between good and corrupt like certain choice its better to kill of and consume the person for the power etc, thoughts?

More corruption will most likely lead to your tail acting by itself and more aggressively too. Also you'll likely have more trouble to prevent your tentacles eating people. But you'll get more chances to make monsters submit to you as well...
Corruption decreases your humanity, it means your instincts will decide your actions instead of your reasoning...

I don't know if it necessarily means zero corruption is "good" or that corruption means "evil".. Full corruption can only be achieved by committing evil acts, but i don't think every person you can eat/kill now is an evil act by itself...
Eating Kenny gives corruption, killing Kenny doesn't. Eating the milkmonster gives corruption, dumping it's body doesn't.
Bailey even wants you to eat her... And i can understand Jake, but only to a certain point, i really don't see killing him as an evil act by itself. Same for Danica, Eric, AB, there's a certain feeling of justice killing them, but if it's worth it in the end?

The corruption path will lead to you becoming a monster... The zero corruption path will be that of a zealot, but you'll keep your humanity... The path of you acting like the judge will be somewhere in between and might actually be the most interesting, you're not bound to bloodlust and not restricted by honor and being forgiving at against your feeling of justice...
I have 3 saves ; full corruption, zero corruption and one pragmatic. (eat for +power or possible future abilities only)

Possibly eating certain people will give some abilities, same as high corruption, but the shop eye could give abilities too.
The difference in power right now is not that big, but in the endgame it could be huge, but on the zero corruption path you can rely on allies, on the full corruption path you most likely ate them all... But i hope next update makes things more clear.

 

[TerminusPrime]

More corruption will most likely lead to your tail acting by itself and more aggressively too. Also you'll likely have more trouble to prevent your tentacles eating people. But you'll get more chances to make monsters submit to you as well...
Corruption decreases your humanity, it means your instincts will decide your actions instead of your reasoning...

I don't know if it necessarily means zero corruption is "good" or that corruption means "evil".. Full corruption can only be achieved by committing evil acts, but i don't think every person you can eat/kill now is an evil act by itself...
Eating Kenny gives corruption, killing Kenny doesn't. Eating the milkmonster gives corruption, dumping it's body doesn't.
Bailey even wants you to eat her... And i can understand Jake, but only to a certain point, i really don't see killing him as an evil act by itself. Same for Danica, Eric, AB, there's a certain feeling of justice killing them, but if it's worth it in the end?

The corruption path will lead to you becoming a monster... The zero corruption path will be that of a zealot, but you'll keep your humanity... The path of you acting like the judge will be somewhere in between and might actually be the most interesting, you're not bound to bloodlust and not restricted by honor and being forgiving at against your feeling of justice...
I have 3 saves ; full corruption, zero corruption and one pragmatic. (eat for +power or possible future abilities only)

Possibly eating certain people will give some abilities, same as high corruption, but the shop eye could give abilities too.
The difference in power right now is not that big, but in the endgame it could be huge, but on the zero corruption path you can rely on allies, on the full corruption path you most likely ate them all... But i hope next update makes things more clear.

The game keeps track of a hidden morality stat as well as your corruption to determine if you're good or evil, so it could be a bit more complicated than just your corruption dictating your actions. You might be more instinctive, but if you have high morality you might still commit more good acts than evil acts since that's the basic nature of your character.

 

[syuura1]

1) You get two aspects of the power of the 3rd or 4th. Their shapeshifting power and their memory reading power. Both of them are shown to be capable of using each of those powers when they infect you. As far as we've seen the 4th is a stronger mind reader than the 3rd, but we haven't witnessed any other differences between the two other than their appearance yet in the story.
Valravyn calls the 3rd the Body and the 4th the Memory, so there are implied differences between them, but nothing that's been shown so far to further differentiate between them.

2) I don't remember the exact quote, but Alice's monster parent the Blue Fairy tells you a little bit when it talks to you after the car crash.
Edit: I might have misremembered this. It was either there or when the MC had the vision when they were evolving that made reference to the 12 numbered.

3) They seem to be fossilized pieces of an ancient monster, but the last update showed that Deryl's Monster Form was able to make an effigy to replace one out of other objects. We don't know what purpose Ella has for collecting them yet.

Ok, so it seems no matter who infects you (3rd or 4th) you do get aspects of both their power, alright then. And I'm glad we're unsure about the pieces then, I thought I had missed some crucial info about them.

 

[vogelbeest]

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

The supreme minister talking with Dexter : I have, but you haven't provided a single whiff of proof regarding any of it. These supposed 'all powerful' twelve, the six hundred 'superhumans'. None of it."
That's really all i have found about the twelve, there's more info about number 1 (the authority) 2 (the power) 3 (the body) and 4 (the memory) but it's not clear if they are part of these 12, those 12 mentioned by the supreme minister are most likely the 12 HERO members on their fifth evolution. (but even that is not sure)

Most likely monster parts, but for what purpose? That's really not clear. An effigy is an often life-size sculptural representation of a specific person, or a prototypical figure. The term is mostly used for the makeshift dummies used for symbolic punishment in political protests and for the figures burned in certain traditions around New Year, Carnival and Easter. So it's most likely something Ella needs for her plans, but it's really guessing in the dark what exactly....

 

[vogelbeest]

The game keeps track of a hidden morality stat as well as your corruption to determine if you're good or evil,

Yeah, but separate, there's corruption and there's moral, at the moment they're not linked. You can have high moral with high corruption and low moral with zero corruption... So it's really not that easy to predict now...

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Wow, I've been reading alot of the comments on this thread and realized how much of the story I either missed or did not understand. As I want to have a better understanding of the lore, I have some questions I hope others can answer:

1) I was under the impression that you were infected by both the 3rd and 4th, but reading through comments it seems to be one or the other. The ability you get (shapeshifting) doesn't change no matter which monster infects you, so does that mean both the 3rd and 4th have the same power?

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

Pretty much what Terminus Prime said but I'll expand on it.

1) It's not really confirmed yet, as far as if they both shared their power during the infection process. We do know that only one of them is acknowledged as being our parent though and let's be honest, Mommy 4th is the only one choice that matters. These scenes happen during the game but also if you have enough corruption. Minimum required to see all scenes is about 20, for current content, before being taken to Hero's base by Nico.

Anyway, during Klaus fight, the Fairy tells you to say hi to the "3rd"(Male) or "4th"(Mommy) depending on who you chose. During the final Klaus fight, you see one of them appear and then during the Valravn fight he mentions the title or piece your parent goes by. You'll also learn that Ella's monster parent is the 3rd as well, if you chose him during the start.

As far as their powers, the 4th is great at memories, hence she's called "The Memory" during Valravn's encounter. She can also shapeshift. The 3rd on the other hand isn't as great at the memory stuff, seeing as he struggled some with the MC. As for his shapeshifting, we don't know yet but he's named "The Body" so it's safe to assume it's his speciality. They both have the same powers but at different degrees of efficiency. Therefore, we get both powers no matter what and it's also why I like to call them twins. They're the only Numbered that seem to work together and have the same powers. They even took down the 1st, if you kill Jake.

2) As mentioned above, during the final Klaus fight, you'll see your numbered but will also learn that there were 12 in total. Key thing to note is there was 12. Now there's only 6 with the 7th through 12th most likely deceased or in a deathlike state and have been for decades to centuries now, presumably. We also learned that they come from the Moon or "Dark Moon" if Valravn's rambling is to be believed. The confirmed Numbered are as followed:

The 1st aka "The Authority"

- Jake's Parent

The 2nd aka "The Power/Radiant/Energy"
(It's title isn't confirmed yet)

- Michael's Parent

The 3rd aka "The Body"

- Ella's Parent

- MC(if chosen)

---- The 4th aka "The Memory" ----

- MC's Mommy

For the 1st, you won't see unless you have enough corruption. You have to fight Jake in prison and then later kill him to see it's full body. The 2nd, you see descend during Michael's fight with Leigong aka Lightning Monster, which is also a descendant of the 2nd Monster's line. Valravn will mention it during it's arrival.

3) We're not sure yet but Ella hints that it has a pull of some sorts and that it can cause a lot of corruption. The quality is supposedly important as she mentions Goliath's Parent Heart was only a Mixed Blood. Maybe it's for luring in a type of monster(the other Numbered? Dark Glowing Eye Monster?), is used as an offering of some kind to maybe unlock something, or possibly for assembling a powerful chimera? We don't really know yet so it's anyone's guess.

That's about it, currently. We'll most likely get even more info in this next update. Oh, there's also the "Greater Spawn" stuff but you know those slutty Minyaks can't be trusted and it hasn't been mentioned since. I would also recommend having a side playthrough with full corruption. Typically, if it involves monsters and their lore, corruption is usually involved. Next update might have a lot of new corruption scenes, since there's a lot of monsters in Ella's hideout.

 

[syuura1]

They even took down the 1st, if you kill Jake.

Ok, that is very interesting. I did do a full corrupt playthrough but I must've missed it. So this essentially suggests the Numbered monsters are not all on the same team then, am I correct?

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

Any info about update?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Ok, that is very interesting. I did do a full corrupt playthrough but I must've missed it. So this essentially suggests the Numbered monsters are not all on the same team then, am I correct?

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

Like Valravn stated, the monsters have their own motives. We know the 3rd and 4th work together but the 1st seemed to want to enslave the world. The 2nd seems to mind it's own business while the 5th and 6th are unknown currently. Then there's Valravn's "Dark King" who seems to be roaming around.

The lord stuff isn't clear as of yet. We know the Numbered are the most powerful monsters, known currently, so it's most likely referring to them. We also know Valravn's "King" is the one that killed the 4th on Ella's dead end. From that alone, we know that Dark Glowing Eye Monster(King) is strong enough to wipe them out and might see them as enemies. It makes sense that when the 2nd appeared, Valravn was happy because his "King" only appeared, in current times, when it involved a Numbered manifesting on earth.

If you lean into the theory side of it, Valravn's King could be what's left of the Original Dark God after the Numbered split from it, for unknown reasons. Hence why they're titled by parts such as "The Body", "The Memory" and so on. Xanthe also hints at this with Tiffany about the specimen from her Monster Parent, who could've been a Deceased Numbered. It would also explain why it would hunt them specifically. So it can regain it's original state. I wouldn't be shocked if it absorbed some of the 7th through 12th already and is waiting for the rest to fully manifest.

That said, it's mostly speculation. We don't know enough about the Numbered, Lords, Valravn's King or this Dark God to give a definitive answer. The Lords could be a set of monsters that rival the Numbered from a different faction or even species altogether. I've had thoughts like that in the past but it's not really clear. Whether you believe the MC's corruption dream was from his "inner monster", one of these Lords, or his Numbered Parent. The one thing they all seem to be after is this "absolute power" and it's apparently within their grasp. Take that as you will.

 

[5k1n3xt]

One way I can see memory related powers being more relevant after 3rd evo is by buffing our mind reading by a lot, things like being able to acces specific memories easily w/o having to make our target think about them to bring them to the surface, or maybe even being able to copy knowledge and ways of thinking/inteligence, not just insticts.

Imagine if we could for example copy Xanthe and not just look like Xanthe, but BE Xanthe w/o losing track of our original selves and our goals but gaining his knowledge on technology and monsters alongside his capacity to understand said knowledge and research on things like that to expand that knowledge and end up knowing more than he ever did.

This second thing would probably require for us to actually eat our target or study it thoroughly for a few days to reach that level of understanding, as I can't see a simple touch transmiting so much information to us, at least at level 3.

 

[vogelbeest]

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

There's the lord Valravn serves, that's most likely the one that made him after he was shot, "Rise again feathered one, in memory of my bride"... (during your fight with Valravn day 84)

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So probably there's a war coming... The lords of the monsters haven't arrived yet and the monsters are enemies...
Likely Earth will be a battlefield... We really don't know much about "the numbered", Valravn is an enemy to "the fairy" (Alice parent) and number 2 (Michael's parent), but his reactions to either number 3 "Ohoh... A second spawn of the Body, intriguing..." or number 4 "Ohoh... A spawn of the Memory, now this is a rare sight..." don't seem very hostile compared to his reactions to the others... Strange, since we already know he has a score to settle with Ella (the other spawn of the body)..

The 4 numbered monsters are special enough to be numbered, but we don't know why. Also we can conclude they aren't Lords. They could be the equivalent of "the 4 riders of the apocalypse", or they could be just representatives of their own lords... I haven't found text in the scripts giving more insight to any other numbered monsters, or even how many of them. (besides "these so called almighty 12" that most likely are HERO superhumans) There's monster cards that show us the progenitors of the superhuman or the origin of the monsters on them, these cards work with numbers too, so these numbered 4 could just be the last few remaining of the original progenitors... Leigong origin : 2/10/6 so it's safe to assume there's at least 10 of them, but since the other cards i've seen only mention a monster number, there's really no telling how many there are. Possibly these 4 numbered monsters are the same as the ones the monsters get their origin from...

But overall the information in the game is sparse. Many things are left to our personal interpretations and conclusions. And there's more theories than facts in many of the comments here. But that's part of what makes this game so good, there's something of apocalyptic proportions happening, we see only little and the exact extend of it remains veiled in mystery... And whatever we learn in next update, it will not be enough to keep us from wanting more answers....

 

[syuura1]

Very cool theories guys, def. enjoyed reading everyone's perspective on it. Probably the only game on this site that makes me theorycraft like this.

Edit:

I haven't found text in the scripts giving more insight to any other numbered monsters, or even how many of them.

As DrakoGhoul mentioned, during the final fight with Klaus, just as you are evolving, MC goes into what seemed like a ramble but specifically says:
You: The moon? How can it...
You: The twelve...
You: No, the six...seven through twelve have already been...

Take it for what you will but it seem like a pretty decent interpretation for the 12 Numbered monsters and something having happened to 7-12.

 

[vogelbeest]

As DrakoGhoul mentioned, during the final fight with Klaus, just as you are evolving, MC goes into what seemed like a ramble but specifically says:
You: The moon? How can it...
You: The twelve...
You: No, the six...seven through twelve have already been...

Take it for what you will but it seem like a pretty decent interpretation for the 12 Numbered monsters and something having happened to 7-12.

It's a memory that's not his own... Hard to make much of it to be honest... It could relate to 12 numbered monsters, it could relate to a number of spawns or a number of planets to conquer, already having finished half and being down to six..
It's very vague and leaves everything to speculation, why the moon? There's monsters getting called from the moon, others getting called from the ocean... Is it twelve monsters from the moon? How old is this memory? But okay, it's possible, but lets hope we get some better information during our next evolution.