VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[vogelbeest]

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

The supreme minister talking with Dexter : I have, but you haven't provided a single whiff of proof regarding any of it. These supposed 'all powerful' twelve, the six hundred 'superhumans'. None of it."
That's really all i have found about the twelve, there's more info about number 1 (the authority) 2 (the power) 3 (the body) and 4 (the memory) but it's not clear if they are part of these 12, those 12 mentioned by the supreme minister are most likely the 12 HERO members on their fifth evolution. (but even that is not sure)

Most likely monster parts, but for what purpose? That's really not clear. An effigy is an often life-size sculptural representation of a specific person, or a prototypical figure. The term is mostly used for the makeshift dummies used for symbolic punishment in political protests and for the figures burned in certain traditions around New Year, Carnival and Easter. So it's most likely something Ella needs for her plans, but it's really guessing in the dark what exactly....

 

[vogelbeest]

The game keeps track of a hidden morality stat as well as your corruption to determine if you're good or evil,

Yeah, but separate, there's corruption and there's moral, at the moment they're not linked. You can have high moral with high corruption and low moral with zero corruption... So it's really not that easy to predict now...

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Wow, I've been reading alot of the comments on this thread and realized how much of the story I either missed or did not understand. As I want to have a better understanding of the lore, I have some questions I hope others can answer:

1) I was under the impression that you were infected by both the 3rd and 4th, but reading through comments it seems to be one or the other. The ability you get (shapeshifting) doesn't change no matter which monster infects you, so does that mean both the 3rd and 4th have the same power?

2) Could someone tell me the point where the Numbered monsters are described as being 12 in number?

3) What exactly are the pieces Ella is collecting, and what is their purpose?

Pretty much what Terminus Prime said but I'll expand on it.

1) It's not really confirmed yet, as far as if they both shared their power during the infection process. We do know that only one of them is acknowledged as being our parent though and let's be honest, Mommy 4th is the only one choice that matters. These scenes happen during the game but also if you have enough corruption. Minimum required to see all scenes is about 20, for current content, before being taken to Hero's base by Nico.

Anyway, during Klaus fight, the Fairy tells you to say hi to the "3rd"(Male) or "4th"(Mommy) depending on who you chose. During the final Klaus fight, you see one of them appear and then during the Valravn fight he mentions the title or piece your parent goes by. You'll also learn that Ella's monster parent is the 3rd as well, if you chose him during the start.

As far as their powers, the 4th is great at memories, hence she's called "The Memory" during Valravn's encounter. She can also shapeshift. The 3rd on the other hand isn't as great at the memory stuff, seeing as he struggled some with the MC. As for his shapeshifting, we don't know yet but he's named "The Body" so it's safe to assume it's his speciality. They both have the same powers but at different degrees of efficiency. Therefore, we get both powers no matter what and it's also why I like to call them twins. They're the only Numbered that seem to work together and have the same powers. They even took down the 1st, if you kill Jake.

2) As mentioned above, during the final Klaus fight, you'll see your numbered but will also learn that there were 12 in total. Key thing to note is there was 12. Now there's only 6 with the 7th through 12th most likely deceased or in a deathlike state and have been for decades to centuries now, presumably. We also learned that they come from the Moon or "Dark Moon" if Valravn's rambling is to be believed. The confirmed Numbered are as followed:

The 1st aka "The Authority"

- Jake's Parent

The 2nd aka "The Power/Radiant/Energy"
(It's title isn't confirmed yet)

- Michael's Parent

The 3rd aka "The Body"

- Ella's Parent

- MC(if chosen)

---- The 4th aka "The Memory" ----

- MC's Mommy

For the 1st, you won't see unless you have enough corruption. You have to fight Jake in prison and then later kill him to see it's full body. The 2nd, you see descend during Michael's fight with Leigong aka Lightning Monster, which is also a descendant of the 2nd Monster's line. Valravn will mention it during it's arrival.

3) We're not sure yet but Ella hints that it has a pull of some sorts and that it can cause a lot of corruption. The quality is supposedly important as she mentions Goliath's Parent Heart was only a Mixed Blood. Maybe it's for luring in a type of monster(the other Numbered? Dark Glowing Eye Monster?), is used as an offering of some kind to maybe unlock something, or possibly for assembling a powerful chimera? We don't really know yet so it's anyone's guess.

That's about it, currently. We'll most likely get even more info in this next update. Oh, there's also the "Greater Spawn" stuff but you know those slutty Minyaks can't be trusted and it hasn't been mentioned since. I would also recommend having a side playthrough with full corruption. Typically, if it involves monsters and their lore, corruption is usually involved. Next update might have a lot of new corruption scenes, since there's a lot of monsters in Ella's hideout.

 

[syuura1]

They even took down the 1st, if you kill Jake.

Ok, that is very interesting. I did do a full corrupt playthrough but I must've missed it. So this essentially suggests the Numbered monsters are not all on the same team then, am I correct?

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

Any info about update?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Ok, that is very interesting. I did do a full corrupt playthrough but I must've missed it. So this essentially suggests the Numbered monsters are not all on the same team then, am I correct?

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

Like Valravn stated, the monsters have their own motives. We know the 3rd and 4th work together but the 1st seemed to want to enslave the world. The 2nd seems to mind it's own business while the 5th and 6th are unknown currently. Then there's Valravn's "Dark King" who seems to be roaming around.

The lord stuff isn't clear as of yet. We know the Numbered are the most powerful monsters, known currently, so it's most likely referring to them. We also know Valravn's "King" is the one that killed the 4th on Ella's dead end. From that alone, we know that Dark Glowing Eye Monster(King) is strong enough to wipe them out and might see them as enemies. It makes sense that when the 2nd appeared, Valravn was happy because his "King" only appeared, in current times, when it involved a Numbered manifesting on earth.

If you lean into the theory side of it, Valravn's King could be what's left of the Original Dark God after the Numbered split from it, for unknown reasons. Hence why they're titled by parts such as "The Body", "The Memory" and so on. Xanthe also hints at this with Tiffany about the specimen from her Monster Parent, who could've been a Deceased Numbered. It would also explain why it would hunt them specifically. So it can regain it's original state. I wouldn't be shocked if it absorbed some of the 7th through 12th already and is waiting for the rest to fully manifest.

That said, it's mostly speculation. We don't know enough about the Numbered, Lords, Valravn's King or this Dark God to give a definitive answer. The Lords could be a set of monsters that rival the Numbered from a different faction or even species altogether. I've had thoughts like that in the past but it's not really clear. Whether you believe the MC's corruption dream was from his "inner monster", one of these Lords, or his Numbered Parent. The one thing they all seem to be after is this "absolute power" and it's apparently within their grasp. Take that as you will.

 

[5k1n3xt]

One way I can see memory related powers being more relevant after 3rd evo is by buffing our mind reading by a lot, things like being able to acces specific memories easily w/o having to make our target think about them to bring them to the surface, or maybe even being able to copy knowledge and ways of thinking/inteligence, not just insticts.

Imagine if we could for example copy Xanthe and not just look like Xanthe, but BE Xanthe w/o losing track of our original selves and our goals but gaining his knowledge on technology and monsters alongside his capacity to understand said knowledge and research on things like that to expand that knowledge and end up knowing more than he ever did.

This second thing would probably require for us to actually eat our target or study it thoroughly for a few days to reach that level of understanding, as I can't see a simple touch transmiting so much information to us, at least at level 3.

 

[vogelbeest]

I believe it was one of your old posts that got me thinking about this stuff. Could you tell me anything more about Valravn's "King" as well? He talks about the "advent of our Lords" but I assume these are different than the Numbered monsters because he referred to them as enemies in the quote "the enemy moves...and so must I" when the Second arrived.

There's the lord Valravn serves, that's most likely the one that made him after he was shot, "Rise again feathered one, in memory of my bride"... (during your fight with Valravn day 84)

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So probably there's a war coming... The lords of the monsters haven't arrived yet and the monsters are enemies...
Likely Earth will be a battlefield... We really don't know much about "the numbered", Valravn is an enemy to "the fairy" (Alice parent) and number 2 (Michael's parent), but his reactions to either number 3 "Ohoh... A second spawn of the Body, intriguing..." or number 4 "Ohoh... A spawn of the Memory, now this is a rare sight..." don't seem very hostile compared to his reactions to the others... Strange, since we already know he has a score to settle with Ella (the other spawn of the body)..

The 4 numbered monsters are special enough to be numbered, but we don't know why. Also we can conclude they aren't Lords. They could be the equivalent of "the 4 riders of the apocalypse", or they could be just representatives of their own lords... I haven't found text in the scripts giving more insight to any other numbered monsters, or even how many of them. (besides "these so called almighty 12" that most likely are HERO superhumans) There's monster cards that show us the progenitors of the superhuman or the origin of the monsters on them, these cards work with numbers too, so these numbered 4 could just be the last few remaining of the original progenitors... Leigong origin : 2/10/6 so it's safe to assume there's at least 10 of them, but since the other cards i've seen only mention a monster number, there's really no telling how many there are. Possibly these 4 numbered monsters are the same as the ones the monsters get their origin from...

But overall the information in the game is sparse. Many things are left to our personal interpretations and conclusions. And there's more theories than facts in many of the comments here. But that's part of what makes this game so good, there's something of apocalyptic proportions happening, we see only little and the exact extend of it remains veiled in mystery... And whatever we learn in next update, it will not be enough to keep us from wanting more answers....

 

[syuura1]

Very cool theories guys, def. enjoyed reading everyone's perspective on it. Probably the only game on this site that makes me theorycraft like this.

Edit:

I haven't found text in the scripts giving more insight to any other numbered monsters, or even how many of them.

As DrakoGhoul mentioned, during the final fight with Klaus, just as you are evolving, MC goes into what seemed like a ramble but specifically says:
You: The moon? How can it...
You: The twelve...
You: No, the six...seven through twelve have already been...

Take it for what you will but it seem like a pretty decent interpretation for the 12 Numbered monsters and something having happened to 7-12.

 

[vogelbeest]

As DrakoGhoul mentioned, during the final fight with Klaus, just as you are evolving, MC goes into what seemed like a ramble but specifically says:
You: The moon? How can it...
You: The twelve...
You: No, the six...seven through twelve have already been...

Take it for what you will but it seem like a pretty decent interpretation for the 12 Numbered monsters and something having happened to 7-12.

It's a memory that's not his own... Hard to make much of it to be honest... It could relate to 12 numbered monsters, it could relate to a number of spawns or a number of planets to conquer, already having finished half and being down to six..
It's very vague and leaves everything to speculation, why the moon? There's monsters getting called from the moon, others getting called from the ocean... Is it twelve monsters from the moon? How old is this memory? But okay, it's possible, but lets hope we get some better information during our next evolution.

 

[5k1n3xt]

You "I just want to know what you lot are doing here, how long you've been here, what you're going to do from here on..."
Valravn "Do not group us together. Our reasons are independent of one another and that is how it will remain until the advent of our lords."

Doesn't him saying this imply that the lords plan to unify the monsters for a common goal instead of how it is right now where each of them have different reasons to act from one another?

 

[vogelbeest]

Doesn't him saying this imply that the lords plan to unify the monsters for a common goal instead of how it is right now where each of them have different reasons to act from one another?

That's possible, but it could just mean once the lords arrive each monster will follow any orders from his/her lord.
Basically he just says any monster does what it wants now... The lords might still each have their own goals and reasons.
It's really interesting to get to know the goals of the monsters... Is Earth their petri dish for biological warfare? Are we food? Or do the monsters simply need other races to procreate? The Minyak traded increased fertility at the cost of power...

 

[N1CKs001]

Look, guys, we may be stepping into the realms of Lovecraft Cthulu and outer gods beyond mortal comprehension. So I say the future captain/squad name if we still stick with HERO should be Nyarlathotep, why you may ask? Well: It's a being that can take on many aspects or forms each with its own abilities, describe as a "tall, swarthy man", and chaotic without the normal sense of what constitutes good or evil.

 

[jthunderk89]

Look, guys, we may be stepping into the realms of Lovecraft Cthulu and outer gods beyond mortal comprehension. So I say the future captain/squad name if we still stick with HERO should be Nyarlathotep, why you may ask? Well: It's a being that can take on many aspects or forms each with its own abilities, describe as a "tall, swarthy man", and chaotic without the normal sense of what constitutes good or evil.

Yours seems a bit more thought out than me just looking up mythological beings with the biggest dicks to name my squad after

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Future squad name? Well, my hero name is "Darkness" so, if we can pick one in the future, I'd go with Team Erebus. Just to keep the whole Darkness theme going for my playthrough. There's also a lot of monster stuff related to Darkness(not the series) in game, such as the "Dark God", "Lord of Dark", "Dark King", "Black Sea", "Dark Moon" and so on. I might as well embrace all this darkness vibe this game gives off.

 

[5k1n3xt]

My hero name name is Void, so I'd name my team Apollyon as a TBOI reference, but i'm pretty sure there's already something or someone named that isn't there?

 

[vogelbeest]

Xenomorph : "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse...or delusions of morality."―Ash

The Xenomorph XX121, better known just as Xenomorph or the "Alien", is an extraterrestrial hive-based endoparasitoid species with a multi-staged life cycle....
Monster infects human, human evolves, superhuman becomes monster.... Jup, could fit alright...
Although the endoparasitoid part (needs host to feed on but ultimately kills it in the process) is only partly accurate...

 

[Lord Kentus]

Look, guys, we may be stepping into the realms of Lovecraft Cthulu and outer gods beyond mortal comprehension. So I say the future captain/squad name if we still stick with HERO should be Nyarlathotep, why you may ask? Well: It's a being that can take on many aspects or forms each with its own abilities, describe as a "tall, swarthy man", and chaotic without the normal sense of what constitutes good or evil.

The only true version of Nyarlathotep is Nyanlathotep tbh

 

[FrapFappers]

Man the latest in game time skip was disappointing. I don't think we even gained any stat increases like last time when the school closed down after we took out kenny.

 

[5k1n3xt]

The only true version of Nyarlathotep is Nyanlathotep tbh

You mean Nyaruko-san.