vogelbeest

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My other theory for the death of MC's mother is it is related to Dad's shady bullshit. She was targeted because of him, possibly even because of work he did/does for HERO.
The father works for the government, not HERO, but he and Dexter know each other. Dexter was a Minister (so government official) before he moved to HERO.
 

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You know we're ignoring a few potential key factors if I'm not mistaken, here's my take:

1. Dad
While I believe the Dad knows SOMETHING about the MC's Mom's death, I think it's obviously related to some form of monster attack. But I believe with confidence that he had NO knowledge of the college's special situation. I know everyone loves to huff theory copium on the forum here that every little detail means something bigger but sometimes it's just simple (no offense). So let's establish the facts;

-Dad works in part with the government and does shady shit on the side, definitely has connections with non government as well no doubt.
-Disappears for crazy amounts of time without knowing what he actually does.
-Lives in a disheveled apartment.
-Deep rooted alcoholic, disheveled, and quirky all the time, could barely sneak up on his rival detective.
-Sent the MC to a school filled with H.E.R.O connections and soon to be superhumans alike.

From all of those out of the way, I'd wager he's not James fucking Bond, knowing about H.E.R.O, monster armada attacks, the works, ain't no fucking way on god's green earth. This is a man who witness his wife die potentially from a monster, was kept silent and offered a job by the government somewhere regarding that field but not by any big capacity, and disregarded. Now the college can be explained by the simple fact that; this is THE primary sector. PM lives here, top of the Mafia, richest man alive, etc. OF COURSE some shady connected guy is going to use his connections to put his son in the best college, not involve in the same world that potentially killed his mother. Ain't no way he knows any of the crazy shit, hell even the PM wasn't aware of what was REALLY going on.

2. Deus
This could be completely wrong but if I'm not mistaken Deus said he was an acquaintance of hers? This entire point could be nothing but I didn't see anyone bring it up if it was true. We know Deus sees whatever bits of the future, and that he has a keen interest in us, and our development (based on his interaction with Valravn), sound familiar?

-What if this Ella isn't the original, and the original died when Christine mentioned she had, "changed". It would explain how Ella grew SOOOO fast despite not having the resources like H.E.R.O AND being relatively the same age as the MC upon receiving her powers. Just throwing it out there.

3. Knowing
So the Ella is Ella bro. I know I ride her dick hard but fuck it, let's do this. She has honest moments with the MC. It would be ridiculously stupid to put on a whole act with music changes and everything, going into a band, whatever, just to be like, "HA just kidding! I killed your Mom!" Referring to the MC by first name might be explained by her doing research ahead of time on them for compatibility with the pills, or if it ties into my Deus theory.

That's my take, I'm tired so take it with a grain of salt. Moral of the story is the Dad is not this all seeing eye, Ella has a LOT of secrets, but our relationship with her (compassionate side) is genuine. And she is by no means the cause of our Mom's death (though she may not the reason behind it through whispers or events who knows).
 
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Why are you guys so unsure about Ella's age? It's stated in game that she's 21 and that the MC is 18, currently. So she's only 3 years older than him. She became a superhuman at 14, around the same time her parents died. MC would've been 11 so that's right before his mom died.

I'm not saying I believe Ella killed his mom or had anything to do with it, by the way. I'm just getting the info out there for those unsure about the ages and timing of certain events.
 

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Why are you guys so unsure about Ella's age? It's stated in game that she's 21 and that the MC is 18, currently. So she's only 3 years older than him. She became a superhuman at 14, around the same time her parents died. MC would've been 11 so that's right before his mom died.

I'm not saying I believe Ella killed his mom or had anything to do with it, by the way. I'm just getting the info out there for those unsure about the ages and timing of certain events.
We aren't. There is 1 guy who got it into his head that Ella is an ancient moster who shapeshifted into a little girl and then went to school for years, creating an elaborate backstory. So that if someone invested her via befriending her 2 friends from school they will find out all the fake info she crafted and think she got her power at 14 and is currently 21.
 
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We aren't. There is 1 guy who got it into his head that Ella is an ancient moster who shapeshifted into a little girl and then went to school for years, creating an elaborate backstory. So that if someone invested her via befriending her 2 friends from school they will find out all the fake info she crafted and think she got her power at 14 and is currently 21.
Um no, there's one guy that said it's a possible theory Ella might have killed MC's mother.
Others like you dismissed that theory as being impossible, that is something we can not say since the timelines would allow the theory. There's still not enough information to proof that theory though. There's no motive, just circumstantial info, MC was there but doesn't remember, his father knows what happened but over the years always avoided answering his questions.

It could have been a random monster attack, it could be his mother monsterfied and attacked her son, in both cases it would explain the father not telling what exactly happened, MC wouldn't believe it anyway... But if a monster or monsterfied superhuman (mother) was involved that does not explain MC surviving.... Another superhuman saving MC would explain that though. But we just don't know, the father knows but he's not telling, so why not? If it's a just a random psycho killing the mother and hurting her child, he could have told MC what happened...

As for an ancient monster shapeshifting into a little girl following school and befriending 2 girls just as a cover : that's simply not what was said. The important fact is a shapeshifter can take other peoples form so knowing that, it's not impossible Ella was killed and another person uses her form as cover. Fact is we simply can't dismiss that possibility...

We know Ella's parents got killed, her whole class got killed except one of her friends and Ella survived. Out of all the people ever close to Ella there's 2 uninfected friends of her band and a bunch of orphans that she infected and uses as tools.
There's proof enough Ella has been working on her plan for a while and it's alot bigger than just infecting MC, if that ever was the plan at all, it seems she just selects people for compatibility with monsters so blame his compatibility? There's hints she cares for him even short after MC was infected, it suggests she knew MC from close before he met Ella...
So the question really is what shape did Ella use to observe MC and his friends and how long has she been doing that...
 

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Um no, there's one guy that said it's a possible theory Ella might have killed MC's mother.
Others like you dismissed that theory as being impossible, that is something we can not say since the timelines would allow the theory. There's still not enough information to proof that theory though. There's no motive, just circumstantial info, MC was there but doesn't remember, his father knows what happened but over the years always avoided answering his questions.

It could have been a random monster attack, it could be his mother monsterfied and attacked her son, in both cases it would explain the father not telling what exactly happened, MC wouldn't believe it anyway... But if a monster or monsterfied superhuman (mother) was involved that does not explain MC surviving.... Another superhuman saving MC would explain that though. But we just don't know, the father knows but he's not telling, so why not? If it's a just a random psycho killing the mother and hurting her child, he could have told MC what happened...

As for an ancient monster shapeshifting into a little girl following school and befriending 2 girls just as a cover : that's simply not what was said. The important fact is a shapeshifter can take other peoples form so knowing that, it's not impossible Ella was killed and another person uses her form as cover. Fact is we simply can't dismiss that possibility...

We know Ella's parents got killed, her whole class got killed except one of her friends and Ella survived. Out of all the people ever close to Ella there's 2 uninfected friends of her band and a bunch of orphans that she infected and uses as tools.
There's proof enough Ella has been working on her plan for a while and it's alot bigger than just infecting MC, if that ever was the plan at all, it seems she just selects people for compatibility with monsters so blame his compatibility? There's hints she cares for him even short after MC was infected, it suggests she knew MC from close before he met Ella...
So the question really is what shape did Ella use to observe MC and his friends and how long has she been doing that...
Right but the point is that the Ella Mom murder theory is just that, a theory; due to the already established time line set up, making it IMPOSSIBLE for Ella to be the one to kill the Mom. At that point people are just grasping at straws for the fun of it, we could say Clark killed the Mom too for god sake because he also has powers and is older than the MC :eek:


That being said, I still think the theory stands that maybe there was some time travel going on.

-SOMETHING happened to Zack (though he doesn't react like he knows us).

-Deus is VERY interested and us, to the point where he buffed Valravn almost as if he was giving us a challenge similarly to how a certain someone wants our successful growth (Mother, Ella). He also acts as if Ella is just an old chum upon hearing about her.

-Ella can shapeshift, we know for a FACT that Christine knew Ella BEFORE she changed. But what if the change wasn't her getting her powers but instead her being replaced by her future self? It would explain how Ella has been able to grow RIDICULOUSLY fast despite not having H.E.R.O resources, knowing about the Monsters and their secrets despite not being chosen by Mother, and why she's so smitten with the MC right off the bat despite apparently never meeting us. It's entirely possible she killed her old self and lived the role of her past with the bonus of knowing key factors to change the future that she didn't before.


If the time traveling theory IS the case then Ella killing our Mom would make total motivational sense. Maybe to prep us or bring us in the right direction, maybe we didn't even have powers in the future cause our Mom never died and it leads to wasted chosen one potential, who knows on that part. But most importantly IF it was true it would make sense with the timeline, instead of trying to fight against obvious mismatching timelines, possible locations, ages, etc.
 

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we could say Clark killed the Mom too for god sake because he also has powers and is older than the MC :eek:
Unlikely Clark, Ella is known for getting people infected by monsters. Her only motivation for the choice of who to infect, is if she suspects compatibility.... She's even known for checking up on the people, she watches you from behind a tree and Deryl even wakes up in her house.... The only other guy known for deliberately getting people infected would take care of that in the HERO base. To be fair, the mother getting infected and attacking MC due to monsterfication seems a possibility, Ella checking her project and saving MC but killing the mother seems plausible too... It fits her modus operandi and it explains the father not ever telling what happened... It's just a theory, but it covers alot more than just being older and superhuman...


-Deus is VERY interested and us, to the point where he buffed Valravn almost as if he was giving us a challenge similarly to how a certain someone wants our successful growth (Mother, Ella). He also acts as if Ella is just an old chum upon hearing about her.
Deus pretty much only needs you to become whatever he has seen in his visions. Ella to him is an enemy or adversary "of sorts" but he warns you to keep your secrets from her. In the end he just needs to fix this mess we're in, whatever that is...
Funny that the effigy Cole has lost, is the heart Deus gives to Valravn....( Cole also happens to have been in contact with HERO as a possible prospect...) So whatever Deus and Ella want from you, it's certainly not for the same reasons....
He did not react like he did because of hearing of her, he actually warned you to be careful with "her" also being there now...
 

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Brah this update gonna be more Hairy than a rasta wig XD. We are gonna get some answers and a cargotrain of questions because W.W gotta keep us hooked like good little supertweakers gotta keep the Simps on edge or they are gonna go look for another thot to simp for XD. Man why women always take this long to buy a dress? i am bored as fuck.
 
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Deus pretty much only needs you to become whatever he has seen in his visions. Ella to him is an enemy or adversary "of sorts" but he warns you to keep your secrets from her. In the end he just needs to fix this mess we're in, whatever that is...
Funny that the effigy Cole has lost, is the heart Deus gives to Valravn....( Cole also happens to have been in contact with HERO as a possible prospect...) So whatever Deus and Ella want from you, it's certainly not for the same reasons....
He did not react like he did because of hearing of her, he actually warned you to be careful with "her" also being there now...
Thank you for clarifying on Deus, I was too lazy to pinpoint exactly where he had mentioned Ella, but I had a feeling that he mentioned her regardless. None the less he still knows more about her than the rest of H.E.R.O it seems. Hell, he even skipped out on the meeting between the clueless captains CONVENIENTLY when they were discussing any info they had on Ella or how to obtain more.

It's just odd that regardless if it's not for the same reasons; these 2 individuals have unpredictable powers (future sight and shapeshifting) happen to want you to succeed to an extent. I say extent because Deus will also just flat out be uninterested in you when you talk to him. While Ella will flat out kill you if you murder Christine or progress too fast (jellyfish move) AFTER she doesn't care if you "beat" her in a fight (Unknown monster death, not her killing you).
 

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Um no, there's one guy that said it's a possible theory Ella might have killed MC's mother.
Others like you dismissed that theory as being impossible, that is something we can not say since the timelines would allow the theory.
That was the start of it. But then you went back and argued that the timeline could be wrong. on the basis of ella being a shapeshifter and possibly have done what I said and pretended to be a little girl with no powers to create an alibi for her fake backstory
citation:
We know Ella's identity as the schoolgirl confirmed by her classmates. We know her alter ego is only known to one of them as a stalker client at the stripclub. So how sure are we really what her age is? What identity is the original?
Her shapeshifting is a factor that can't be neglected, identity theft can mess up any theory on Ella you might think impossible based on the assumption Ella is the original Ella...
and we have been arguing about that for the last few posts
 
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At the end of the day the theory which is grasping at straws isn't very likely its far more likely that it was 1 of 3 things:
A) The MC's father had enemies and they wanted to take him out or take out those close to him.
B) The MC and his mother was at the wrong place at the wrong time (Monster attack or just a freak coincidence from some other person or group that attacked the wrong people).
C) Something that seemingly hasn't been considered yet was that the incident was a complete and utter accident on her own part which caused her death and her son's scars.

These 3 possibilities are more likely to me especially since again we are lacking very critical information that would give the Ella killing MC's mother theory some ground to stand on. If it is true that she did it that's going to take a good bit of explaining, for example a very important and critical piece of information is what sector MC's mom's death was in and where was Ella at that time (Sector wise) we have no clue if Ella and MC were even in the same sector at the time of the incident which leads me to write off Ella entirely from the whole thing but again It'd be interesting if it were true.
 

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If it is true that she did it that's going to take a good bit of explaining, for example a very important and critical piece of information is what sector MC's mom's death was in and where was Ella at that time (Sector wise) we have no clue if Ella and MC were even in the same sector at the time of the incident which leads me to write off Ella entirely from the whole thing but again It'd be interesting if it were true.
Even if you only focus on the present there are still a few big issues like why did Ella feel the need to lie about her (alleged) killing MC mom, and why she kept the lie going for so long. There has never been a point in the story where MC could have killed Ella and we know she was manipulating others to get stronger (like Jake).... so instead of using Mia to drive you to get stronger why not use the fact she killed your mom? Surely that would drive you more than a girl you met a few months ago?

Even if someone wants to assume that Ella specifically needs MC for some plan (ignoring the list of people found at her apartment which includes people who dont evolve) why would she waste time hanging out with 3 girls shes been lying to for years and years while also setting up all the monster stuff she had not finished at the time? (Her plans that she recently finished but we haven't seen)

Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
 

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Even if you only focus on the present there are still a few big issues like why did Ella feel the need to lie about her (alleged) killing MC mom, and why she kept the lie going for so long. There has never been a point in the story where MC could have killed Ella and we know she was manipulating others to get stronger (like Jake).... so instead of using Mia to drive you to get stronger why not use the fact she killed your mom? Surely that would drive you more than a girl you met a few months ago?

Even if someone wants to assume that Ella specifically needs MC for some plan (ignoring the list of people found at her apartment which includes people who dont evolve) why would she waste time hanging out with 3 girls shes been lying to for years and years while also setting up all the monster stuff she had not finished at the time? (Her plans that she recently finished but we haven't seen)

Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
Yeah I think it's a personal thing. Ella DEFINITELY has big plans for the future, but as the story has progressed, it's changed here and there.

We know she wanted to achieve Lvl 5 for the longest time, and she finally did so artificially. But upon obtaining it, she didn't receive a call presumably from Mother as a chosen one to carry out their will. If I'm not mistaken she mentions that it's up to us now, and that she's grown fond of us in particular.

We also know she has a list of peeps that she turns into superhumans based on potential and compatibility. So while the MC was NOT at the top of the list, nor the only one, she still liked that we were the one to pull through.

And then of course she's still collecting monster hearts and keeping a monster army and what have you do she STILL has a master plan, I just believe the 4th not selecting her as a sort of avatar made her plan less according, but not completely hindering it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is she really has no reason to be SOOO involved with the MC as people seem to think, and certain not enough to kill his Mom prior to ever meeting him in the first place, makes no sense. It makes more sense that she's just smitten with us to begin with, whether it be because we have the same monster parent, abilities, quirky lonerism, etc. We also go with the flow, as opposed to Jake's insecurity, Kenny's annoyment, Deryl's required hypnotism/obsession/monsterfication/jealousy, Cole's trying to fuck and rebelliousness, Charlie's brother obsession, etc. etc.

I'd much rather have control over a guy around my age, matching powers, easy to guide, friends with my friends, no crazy baggage, you get the gist.
 

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Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
She's not looking for anybody, she's looking for a Superhuman with a specific power that she needs for her unknown plan. Her candidates were the MC, Jake or the jocks that she infected with Minyak. Before she hit Evolution 5 she could have been a candidate herself, if she happened to evolve the proper power when she evolved. She didn't Evolve that power, the jocks couldn't handle being superhuman and turned into monsters and were killed, and the MC beat Jake, so the MC is the last person possible for her plan.
It's been theorized that power is a form of telepathy earlier in the thread, since that seems to be the only thing in common with the possible powers from those monster parents.
She had plans for all the people on her list. She had Deryl listed up higher than the MC, but we know she needed him to be infected so he could build things for her that she would need, but she ended up prioritizing whatever she's planning for the MC and infected him sooner.
I don't think she's infecting anyone at random, she has the ability to determine which monsters people are most compatible with, and she's specifically picking those she has a use for.
 

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She had plans for all the people on her list. She had Deryl listed up higher than the MC, but we know she needed him to be infected so he could build things for her that she would need, but she ended up prioritizing whatever she's planning for the MC and infected him sooner.
I don't think she's infecting anyone at random, she has the ability to determine which monsters people are most compatible with, and she's specifically picking those she has a use for.
Wasn't the white friend with brown hair also on the list? Even if he wasnt he was still given a pill despite it not working because thats what he based his witchcraft/satanism claims on at the start of the game?

I guess what I'm trying to say is she really has no reason to be SOOO involved with the MC as people seem to think, and certain not enough to kill his Mom prior to ever meeting him in the first place, makes no sense. It makes more sense that she's just smitten with us to begin with, whether it be because we have the same monster parent, abilities, quirky lonerism, etc. We also go with the flow, as opposed to Jake's insecurity, Kenny's annoyment, Deryl's required hypnotism/obsession/monsterfication/jealousy, Cole's trying to fuck and rebelliousness, Charlie's brother obsession, etc. etc.

I'd much rather have control over a guy around my age, matching powers, easy to guide, friends with my friends, no crazy baggage, you get the gist.
These are basically my thoughts as well
 

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Wasn't the white friend with brown hair also on the list? Even if he wasnt he was still given a pill despite it not working because thats what he based his witchcraft/satanism claims on at the start of the game?



These are basically my thoughts as well
Yes, the MC's friend Dave was given a pill, but he reacted poorly to it, and Ella killed the monster instead of letting it infect him.
That's also a little bit more proof that Ella isn't cartoonishly evil. She realized that Dave would have either died or turned into a monster, so she just didn't let it happen.
 
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