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I will make a new post just so more people can see it, weird has to change so stuff so I'm waiting to release when the public version does
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It makes sense. Ella gets ecstatic when MC tells her about the ability to copy other lifeforms and she call him perfect. I thought about it too but I actually don't think that it's what Ella wanted. Or to be more precise, I don't think that she wanted the memory to copy other powers.
One thing I've noticed about Ella's transformations is that they are very abstract. When MC transforms into a dog, he creates a perfect dog. Her wolf was a bit eldritch. I think she wanted the memory in order to transform herself into a very specific thing. Perhaps a vat for power.
Ella knows things that others do not. Like for example that the 5th evolution isn't necessarily the last. It's just a very important milestone. Check out this conversation. It happens right after Ella heals Mia:
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It's quite possible that she thinks she can't do what is asked of her because she can't transform into the exact thing that her parent wants her to and instead of wasting her time, she decides that Eli has a better chance of succeeding, thus she immediately turns her over to the Fourth. (Which begs the question, why the Fourth and not the Third, since he is her monster father? Which could be answered by the notion that Third and Fourth like each other and work together).
This seems quite a huge "spoiler" for the HERO boys and something that seemingly no one knows in the organization, despite having so many level 5s. It's also one reason why I think Nyx is going to do something awesome that no one expects her to do.
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This is my two cent about this update until now.
1: i really enjoyed the fight we had with deryl. It was masterfully done.I felt like I was in an anime. But it got me thinking: We are Weak as F.
alice can control gravity and bring people and object toward her at level 2 ........ We can increase the number of limbs.
My boy Michel can absorb power.....we can flood peoples minds with memories.(and this is all when we are at level 3)
From a destructive point of view, we can't hold a candle to any 5 levels.
Nyx one shots with death.Nico brings the sun.one of them is the sun. Another manipulates time and so on......wish we had some ace in the hole no one had like maybe sealing or stealing other people's abilities.
2: I really liked the gallery changes.I think separating scenes from weird ones was a great idea for those who don't want to see them constantly.
as always I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter
1: i really enjoyed the fight we had with deryl. It was masterfully done.I felt like I was in an anime. But it got me thinking: We are Weak as F.
alice can control gravity and bring people and object toward her at level 2 ........ We can increase the number of limbs.
My boy Michel can absorb power.....we can flood peoples minds with memories.(and this is all when we are at level 3)
From a destructive point of view, we can't hold a candle to any 5 levels.
Nyx one shots with death.Nico brings the sun.one of them is the sun. Another manipulates time and so on......wish we had some ace in the hole no one had like maybe sealing or stealing other people's abilities.
2: I really liked the gallery changes.I think separating scenes from weird ones was a great idea for those who don't want to see them constantly.
as always I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter
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It is a very good theory but i understood that as:
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Ella for some reason seems much better at controling her shapeshifting than Mc, on my headcannon this is because she is a spawn of Body, Mc is not so good but when he has contact with a lifeform he copies it perfectly, because on his case he is a spawn of Memory.
As an example Ella's dog form is bizarre because she can imagine herself as that and boom, there she is. Mc would need to touch a dog to absorb it's form trough his memory powers to then be a dog, adding other things only if he had the memory of other animal parts inside him.
To me 3rd and 4rth are working together and they need someone with both their powers, Ella waited until the last evolution to know if she would have Memory powers but failed, she says Mc is a good candidate because he still can manifest this ability, as far as i know he never told her he has memory.
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Should have phrased that a bit better. Ella with her special power may think that Jake has the potential, but knowing what we know about him it seems unlikely (to me at least) that he ever had a chance. The way I think about it is that she is thought betting on the spawn of the firstborn was a good tactic for whatever her goal ends up being.
However thanks for the snippet, I had missed it and it's quite important.
Yes it's possible that I don't read it as it was meant to be.
And as far as I remember, outside of the deadends, yes Ella doesn't know about the MC's memory power. However I consider deadends relevant information and I include them when theorizing. Thought I was more transparent about it.
I think WW makes it a point to not let Ella know about the MC.
Edit: I thought to share this since you shared your headcannon. I had a thought about the 4th. Up till now, we just assume that both the 3rd and 4th are shapeshifters. However I'm not so sure if that's the case. The working theory is that the 4th scanned MC's memories and changed to represent something that it thought MC would be ok with. However is it really what happened? Perhaps it altered the MCs memories to the point he thought that the monster gave him a blowjob and the infection was a penis enlargement drug but the reality was different and forever lost to us.
MC's new power, memory echo, does something similar. It feeds the MCs memories into the target. We don't actually know what the 4th is capable of but I guess the minimum she could do would be to read, feed and alter memories. Another idea would be to alter your genetic memory, or muscle memory. Make you forget how to do something. Make you forget how to take a breath. Who knows. Because otherwise, the 4th doesn't seem to be on par with the other numbered.
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to be fair, if you do the born again/dead again ending you see some ridiculous shit for our potential, which only loses to some literal deus ex machina shit.
Anyone else think the impromptu hostage situation Ella engineered feels off? There's no way she thought that was going to work against HERO. They wouldn't prioritize agents over the mission. She's not naïve. So why swipe them? Well, if Ella did something to those two before Nico teleported them away, I wouldn't be surprised if that was her exit plan.
so i did enjoy this update quite a bit i do have one pretty big gripe that a lot of people seem to have and thats how the one potential death this update is handled. Ill go into my reasoning in a moment but i just wanted to start by saying while im not a huge fan of how the death comes about i dont know if there should be any consideration to changing it or not, especially since we dont know the full extent of the path choice that is the determining factor in the death.
That being said, i dont like how it was handled for three reasons, first- just about every other character death is a direct result of us choosing to kill them or with one exception handling the fight wrong. This comes about from a choice earlier on that to me currently really doesnt make sense to cause us and the other person who prevents it from being incapable of stopping it on the one path as opposed to the correct one. Secondly every fight we had (as long as you've got the right stats for it) is win/lose/fail forward based on choices made in the fight. The bat creature that causes a death is a "loss" because we choose wrong, Valravan is a fail forward because you choose wrong (again assuming enough stats), every big fight is a win/lose based on your choices in the fight (i could be mistaken but thats what it seems like to me) and yet this one fight results in a "loss" based not on your actual stats but rather what path you took. The hesitate choice specifically says only the strong can afford to hesitate but you can get just as high skill/power if you go for stats instead of lore on the wrong path. Also, using the console to force stats higher doesnt allow you to make the right choice even if you are stronger so the hesitate fail seems to be a bit misleading. And finally, we can sense other creatures/superhumans, like everyone in the group has some capacity to and our character literally has eyes in the back of his head and stuff (or at east he does when he thinks he needs them and when is a better time to be on guard than in the middle of a warzone?) Basically the death happens because the group gets surprised in a way that i think doesn't make sense with our established abilities and senses, and only happens because in one version we what, dont have enough skill or reaction time or something to do what we do in the version that the person survives? i just dont think it was handled the best, though i do realize its probably to give some motivation/impact for choosing the non-death path as opposed to the one thats much more likely to be chosen if it didnt result in a death we might want to avoid.
That being said, i dont like how it was handled for three reasons, first- just about every other character death is a direct result of us choosing to kill them or with one exception handling the fight wrong. This comes about from a choice earlier on that to me currently really doesnt make sense to cause us and the other person who prevents it from being incapable of stopping it on the one path as opposed to the correct one. Secondly every fight we had (as long as you've got the right stats for it) is win/lose/fail forward based on choices made in the fight. The bat creature that causes a death is a "loss" because we choose wrong, Valravan is a fail forward because you choose wrong (again assuming enough stats), every big fight is a win/lose based on your choices in the fight (i could be mistaken but thats what it seems like to me) and yet this one fight results in a "loss" based not on your actual stats but rather what path you took. The hesitate choice specifically says only the strong can afford to hesitate but you can get just as high skill/power if you go for stats instead of lore on the wrong path. Also, using the console to force stats higher doesnt allow you to make the right choice even if you are stronger so the hesitate fail seems to be a bit misleading. And finally, we can sense other creatures/superhumans, like everyone in the group has some capacity to and our character literally has eyes in the back of his head and stuff (or at east he does when he thinks he needs them and when is a better time to be on guard than in the middle of a warzone?) Basically the death happens because the group gets surprised in a way that i think doesn't make sense with our established abilities and senses, and only happens because in one version we what, dont have enough skill or reaction time or something to do what we do in the version that the person survives? i just dont think it was handled the best, though i do realize its probably to give some motivation/impact for choosing the non-death path as opposed to the one thats much more likely to be chosen if it didnt result in a death we might want to avoid.
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Greetings fellow degenerates, can anyone tell me which scene did I miss in this update?
Oh yeah, also, that last scene, lol. Bellow is a short prequel meme showing my first reaction to W.W's depravity:
Oh yeah, also, that last scene, lol. Bellow is a short prequel meme showing my first reaction to W.W's depravity:
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ntr lizGreetings fellow degenerates, can anyone tell me which scene did I miss in this update?
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Oh yeah, also, that last scene, lol. Bellow is a short prequel meme showing my first reaction to W.W's depravity:
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K peeps thought I'd give my personal take on all of the lore and or theories that came out of this update. Some of it might've already been said, some of it is review, and some I may have completely misinterpreted.
Info and Mysteries:
1. So we got a LOT of info from Mommy Monster and Valravn. All of which I believe we're kind of straight forward
-Ella is trying to summon something, perhaps the Eye from the Evolutions. More on that it seems like the Eye is more powerful or respected than the Lords, as it was the 3rd and the 4th near it almost as a form of worship? I could be misinterpreting that one.
-The Lords were created in pairs, hence the 3rd and the 4th being close, but it would be INCREDIBLY rare for them to co host a Superhuman together (let's go us whoot whoot!)
-The come from a separate dimension through gateways, one of which is in the sea (as Bailey solidifies) and one could be on the Moon?
-The want to colonize the Earth and some do it to welcome their Lords, I'm assuming this is in regards to their ACTUAL bodies rather than Avatars.
2. There seems to be more evidence to point to Monster politics. As was semi mentioned by Valravn, theorized by the community, and hinted at by Ella trying to get the Rebis monster on her side.
3. Ella cares for us now. I'm telling ya that in the beginning it was a 50/50 bet, but I think as we got to know her (maybe the end of the training) it solidified out connection.
More on that she DEFINITELY knew us BEFORE we met the first time. It COULD be because she was watching us ahead of time to see if we were compatible but it also looks like it was much more than that. I wonder if during our youth we ever had an ophanish state or made a friend we forgot about. With Ella's mind sided powers it's definitely POSSIBLE that she could've wiped out memory of meeting her.
4. The Lvl 5s popped off.
-Nicolette actually is less op than I originally had thought. Maybe it was because she was facing Ella but even if I take that into account; Malik, Nyx, Bernhardt, Deus, and several others all seem to be stronger than what she or H.E.R.O makes her out to be. She's sort of a one trick pony, it's just that one trick is ridiculously hard to handle, nothing more.
-Malik is crazy, one shotting Goliath like it was a walk in the park and then man handling Ella. The guy is DEFINITELY up there, and I think I have a reason for it; though more on that in my theories section.
-Deus is broken. I had always questioned the extent of how much control he had over the future and what have you in terms of how his power worked, but I DID NOT expect that. Keep in mind, our Monsterfied Eye state fly swatted Alexis like she was nothing. While Deus practically cheat coded his way into the past? Or future? To annihilate us. DEFINITELY the quiet secret boss of the game FOR SURE.
-Ella caught me by surprise. I think her natural connection to monsters is why she has so much mastery over her powers. She may be young, even mentions so against someone like Malik, but she definitely knows what she's doing, how to grow, how to strategize, etc.
5. Superhumans can still tap into their Lord Monster branch despite not being turned PERSONALLY by the Lords' Avatars. Alice was turned by the fairy, yet during her Evolution she connected with the 6th (if I'm not mistaken), which I thought was only possible if you were like Jake or the MC (both of which were turned by the Lords' Avatars).
6. Ella is dead, more on that later.
Personal Theories:
1. Ella isn't dead:
Not much of a "theory" as I feel like it's pretty obvious she's not. I DO think she was genuinely beaten and surprised/overwhelmed, but by no means do I think she didn't have a backup plan. We know Ella has a CRAZY amount of mastery over her shapeshifting, it's fairly possible, like she did with Jake, that she hid a piece of herself on someone. I once thought it was Laurie, as Jake had commanded her before and could've imprinted god knows what, but consider Laurie can die and the dimension collapsed I think that's a loose end. Another is maye the MC, we interact with her ALL THE TIME, and it would be fair to say we are oblivious to most things around us.
2. Natural Evolutions vs Manufactured:
I strongly think Natural Evolutions are the key to better strength. Manufactured are a cheat code, and as we know with the Lords they are VERY particular in how they bestow or when they bestow their power onto a subject. If I was training up a Superhuman and they just decided to skip the end game boss to get the rewards early I'd be PISSED. Sound familiar Ella? She wasn't particularly happy with not being chosen despite leveling up, perhaps it's because she took the shirt way out. Malik and Bernhardt, and even Hendricks are definitely some of the strongest superhumans, so I'd wager why that is is because of their natural evolution. If given the option, I would decline the offer for the serum.
3. Shopkeeper=Rebis?:
I don't think I've seen this theory though I'm sure I'm not the first to come up with it. I think we all guessed the Shopkeeper is more than he seems, even giving direct plot changing advancements despite being seen as this "gag" innocent character. The Rebis was the parent monster of Deryl, which Del mentions Ella wanted to join forces with in order to get the hearts repaired/combined; but he refused due to politics and wanting to remain neutral. They comment on how weak he looked (Shopkeeper is frail looking) and how they easily could've forced him (I too felt like I could just rob the Shopkeeper at first), but everyone agreed that their was a reason why it was so highly regarded by Ella (perhaps it had hidden power much like the hidden persona of the Shopkeeper???). This would also explain it's close connection to Charlie, if the monster is as simple as to just be able to try and negotiate with it, Charlie being in such close contact makes sense, it was regarded for it's high intelligence and "to itself" mannerisms, Charlie isn't one to stick around. My main reason is what Mommy Monster said, "Whoever gave you that Eye made it so you have to relinquish possession of it willingly." Or something along those lines, Mr. Shopkeeper gave it to us, and as far as how hard it is to get Monster parts let alone understand it, it's sure darn SUS that this random ass Shopkeeper not only had it, not only KNEW what it was, but also could keep it from an S CLASS Monster's authority. Pretty god damn suspicious if you ask me, even if he's not the Rebis, he's DEFINITELY more than meets the eye...
That's all I got, lemme know what I did wrong, thoughts, comments. Or don't, up to you.
Info and Mysteries:
1. So we got a LOT of info from Mommy Monster and Valravn. All of which I believe we're kind of straight forward
-Ella is trying to summon something, perhaps the Eye from the Evolutions. More on that it seems like the Eye is more powerful or respected than the Lords, as it was the 3rd and the 4th near it almost as a form of worship? I could be misinterpreting that one.
-The Lords were created in pairs, hence the 3rd and the 4th being close, but it would be INCREDIBLY rare for them to co host a Superhuman together (let's go us whoot whoot!)
-The come from a separate dimension through gateways, one of which is in the sea (as Bailey solidifies) and one could be on the Moon?
-The want to colonize the Earth and some do it to welcome their Lords, I'm assuming this is in regards to their ACTUAL bodies rather than Avatars.
2. There seems to be more evidence to point to Monster politics. As was semi mentioned by Valravn, theorized by the community, and hinted at by Ella trying to get the Rebis monster on her side.
3. Ella cares for us now. I'm telling ya that in the beginning it was a 50/50 bet, but I think as we got to know her (maybe the end of the training) it solidified out connection.
More on that she DEFINITELY knew us BEFORE we met the first time. It COULD be because she was watching us ahead of time to see if we were compatible but it also looks like it was much more than that. I wonder if during our youth we ever had an ophanish state or made a friend we forgot about. With Ella's mind sided powers it's definitely POSSIBLE that she could've wiped out memory of meeting her.
4. The Lvl 5s popped off.
-Nicolette actually is less op than I originally had thought. Maybe it was because she was facing Ella but even if I take that into account; Malik, Nyx, Bernhardt, Deus, and several others all seem to be stronger than what she or H.E.R.O makes her out to be. She's sort of a one trick pony, it's just that one trick is ridiculously hard to handle, nothing more.
-Malik is crazy, one shotting Goliath like it was a walk in the park and then man handling Ella. The guy is DEFINITELY up there, and I think I have a reason for it; though more on that in my theories section.
-Deus is broken. I had always questioned the extent of how much control he had over the future and what have you in terms of how his power worked, but I DID NOT expect that. Keep in mind, our Monsterfied Eye state fly swatted Alexis like she was nothing. While Deus practically cheat coded his way into the past? Or future? To annihilate us. DEFINITELY the quiet secret boss of the game FOR SURE.
-Ella caught me by surprise. I think her natural connection to monsters is why she has so much mastery over her powers. She may be young, even mentions so against someone like Malik, but she definitely knows what she's doing, how to grow, how to strategize, etc.
5. Superhumans can still tap into their Lord Monster branch despite not being turned PERSONALLY by the Lords' Avatars. Alice was turned by the fairy, yet during her Evolution she connected with the 6th (if I'm not mistaken), which I thought was only possible if you were like Jake or the MC (both of which were turned by the Lords' Avatars).
6. Ella is dead, more on that later.
Personal Theories:
1. Ella isn't dead:
Not much of a "theory" as I feel like it's pretty obvious she's not. I DO think she was genuinely beaten and surprised/overwhelmed, but by no means do I think she didn't have a backup plan. We know Ella has a CRAZY amount of mastery over her shapeshifting, it's fairly possible, like she did with Jake, that she hid a piece of herself on someone. I once thought it was Laurie, as Jake had commanded her before and could've imprinted god knows what, but consider Laurie can die and the dimension collapsed I think that's a loose end. Another is maye the MC, we interact with her ALL THE TIME, and it would be fair to say we are oblivious to most things around us.
2. Natural Evolutions vs Manufactured:
I strongly think Natural Evolutions are the key to better strength. Manufactured are a cheat code, and as we know with the Lords they are VERY particular in how they bestow or when they bestow their power onto a subject. If I was training up a Superhuman and they just decided to skip the end game boss to get the rewards early I'd be PISSED. Sound familiar Ella? She wasn't particularly happy with not being chosen despite leveling up, perhaps it's because she took the shirt way out. Malik and Bernhardt, and even Hendricks are definitely some of the strongest superhumans, so I'd wager why that is is because of their natural evolution. If given the option, I would decline the offer for the serum.
3. Shopkeeper=Rebis?:
I don't think I've seen this theory though I'm sure I'm not the first to come up with it. I think we all guessed the Shopkeeper is more than he seems, even giving direct plot changing advancements despite being seen as this "gag" innocent character. The Rebis was the parent monster of Deryl, which Del mentions Ella wanted to join forces with in order to get the hearts repaired/combined; but he refused due to politics and wanting to remain neutral. They comment on how weak he looked (Shopkeeper is frail looking) and how they easily could've forced him (I too felt like I could just rob the Shopkeeper at first), but everyone agreed that their was a reason why it was so highly regarded by Ella (perhaps it had hidden power much like the hidden persona of the Shopkeeper???). This would also explain it's close connection to Charlie, if the monster is as simple as to just be able to try and negotiate with it, Charlie being in such close contact makes sense, it was regarded for it's high intelligence and "to itself" mannerisms, Charlie isn't one to stick around. My main reason is what Mommy Monster said, "Whoever gave you that Eye made it so you have to relinquish possession of it willingly." Or something along those lines, Mr. Shopkeeper gave it to us, and as far as how hard it is to get Monster parts let alone understand it, it's sure darn SUS that this random ass Shopkeeper not only had it, not only KNEW what it was, but also could keep it from an S CLASS Monster's authority. Pretty god damn suspicious if you ask me, even if he's not the Rebis, he's DEFINITELY more than meets the eye...
That's all I got, lemme know what I did wrong, thoughts, comments. Or don't, up to you.
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so note on shopkeep, he kills you if you open the box meant for charlie. tbh i think whether its monster version or literal demon version i think he's basically a/the devil or similar kind of being. but one with generally more benevolent leanings, or at least neutral to the point where doing shit like trading phones for flowers is reasonable for him.
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Didn't both Valravn and monster waifu confirm there is actual magic involved in all this? Besides, isn't Rebis a literal alchemical golem? I'm betting my chips on Shopkeep also being of magical origin or a spellcaster himself. Gonna borrow the DnD definition of magic and say there is a real high chance of Shopkeep's magic coming from a divine source rather than an arcane one, so devil it is.