VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[mrttao]

Despite the fact it is a massive improvement in humanity's ability to survive it was done without the knowledge of anyone else. There was no discussion, there was no vote, there was no consent whatsoever. It was done against humanity as whole to shape what they (HERO) believes to be the best alternative to save humanity. That in itself is vile, no one got a say but HERO and even if anyone found out about it (from the government or elsewhere) chances are they were promptly eliminated before the truth could be revealed at that time (but its more than likely it was a very well hidden secret).

Why is secrecy vile?
Why would a vote make it ok? You think its ok sterilize part of the population if 51% of people vote to do it?

This is just a case of "The ends justifies the means" which I'm not down with...at least at this level of it. Once more I'll reference Mass Effect (cause it's just so god damn good) and the Asari situation.

The Asari wanted to maintain their edge against everyone else and they did but at the cost of the rest of the galaxy being weaker which had the unintended consequence of the reapers fucking up people easier.

Mind you that whole thing has a lot of moving parts (shady folks at every corner in that universe as well with their own agendas, even the Alliance has shady shit going on).

Mass effect is fictional. Stop relying on fiction to form political opinions. It results in infantile and distorted arguments based on whatever the author of that fictional work imagined instead of actual reality.

This game is ALSO fictional. So that means you should be cautious when expecting it to follow realistic consequences.
In this fictional universe there were no sudden unintended consequences.

You might have argued "we shouldn't do it because it is too easy to fuck up and doom humanity" before it was done.
But it was already done and done perfectly. They explicitly did not fuck it up. There are no bad consequences.
It just worked, and now humanity has vastly better odds of survival.

 

[Ddlc]

1. no, the 1st wasn't enough. in fact the 2nd wasn't enough either. all estimates by both humans and monsters are that humanity is doomed unless something changes.
2. why is it vile, please explain. it is literally a massive improvement in the ability of humanity to survive.

1. It's difficult to know what is enough considering the information we have, i say it's the case because it would increase the amount of people able to become superhuman, the picture HERO shows is: humanity needs as many superhumans as possible to fight against monsters, how many and if it was enough to only boost fertility ? i don't know, Clark said that HERO needs mostly more people around lvl 3 so every city has two superhumans at that level to protect it, the math is beyond what i could make yet i think other measures could be made to ensure it was enough.
Look for people compatible and acquire their reproductive cells and use them for fertilization, go after people compatible and offer to infect them instead of only recruiting while demonsterfying those who fail the process (alice's dad mentioned there was a group working on that and how Xanthe was fundamentally against the idea), damn even pay compatible people to have children together promissing to taking care of the children.

2. Gladly, i consider the idea of forcing a population to stop having children VERY concerning, in real life it was used for horrible ends and thus immediatly brings me aversion, it could be argued that it is the best course of action ? yes and i would disagree because i think there are better ways than that as i said above, both artificial and natural.
" it is literally a massive improvement in the ability of humanity to survive" is not enough of an argument for me to agree with it, as long as all possible other means were exhausted and even then i would disagree since it's denying people of the right of bulding families.

 

[ItzSyther]

Why is secrecy vile?
Why would a vote make it ok? You think its ok sterilize part of the population if 51% of people vote to do it?

Secrecy in itself isn't vile but the topic of what they were hiding is:
Example 1: A family secretly planning a party for a loved one
Example 2 : A man secretly plotting to kill a bunch of children

As you can see both are done in secret but both have extremely different intents. Secrecy isn't vile but the intent behind said secrecy is.

There is a major difference between a small group of individuals deciding the fate of a entire species and the whole species itself deciding. Yes, I think it's okay to sterilize the population if humanity as a whole decided upon it.

At least in the case of a vote humanity has a chance to decide rather than some group of elites deciding for the whole.

 

[mrttao]

2. Gladly, i consider the idea of forcing a population to stop having children VERY concerning, in real life it was used for horrible ends and thus immediatly brings me aversion, it could be argued that it is the best course of action ? yes and i would disagree because i think there are better ways than that as i said above, both artificial and natural.
" it is literally a massive improvement in the ability of humanity to survive" is not enough of an argument for me to agree with it, as long as all possible other means were exhausted and even then i would disagree since it's denying people of the right of bulding families.

1. there is a big difference between "I disagree with it" and "this is vile". vile is a very strong word to describe something.

2. "historically it was used to do bad things" is why I wouldn't trust any government to do such a thing.
But we are not asked to trust anyone to do something.
We are shown that it was done, and it was NOT done in a bad way.
that is the key issue here.

 

[Gtdead]

Insects have great strengh mostly because of their volume to area ratio, if you increased their size too much they would be in trouble even trying to move, though superhuman powers often look more supernatural than anything so maybe...

There exist a lot of applications for the exoskeleton though which is a big part of their strength. A lot of lessons in structure to be found in the insect kingdom, similar to how he uses the mantis mechanism for projectile launchers instead of just punching.

This also is a good reminder that MC is actually smart and has high levels of curiosity, even if he doesn't show it a lot of the time. Without any formal training, he is able to adapt to anything. He has extreme mastery over his powers.

Actually i don't even think we can rely on the biological side of things anymore, on his 3 evolution Mc can have "bones hard as diamond and flesh hard as steel", this is just insane, at this point he just uses the biological structure as a framework and only because he is worse at shapeshifting than Ella.

Yea, and he has so much strength that he can casually break through thick metal. I wonder what he will manage to do with the exotic materials found in monsters.

I personally disagree thought that he is worse at shapeshifting than Ella. She is better at changing others but I can't remember an instance where her forms were pivotal in a fight. Hiding a mountain of flesh beneath the ground doesn't count and MC can do that too by hiding tentacles underground. Both times, when she revealed her underground forms, they got smocked, by Nico and Nyx, and her tentacles are hardly more powerful than MC's even if she can create more mass than he can due to being higher level.

Additionally MC since his third evolution has shown exeptional ability to work with materials and thanks to his memory powers, all his creations are perfect. His forms are a true extension of his fighting style, and he uses them both for additional power, and for controlling the environment with strategy/traps. Ella relies mostly on her regeneration, maneuverability and transmutation. Her trick where she makes her form immutable is quite an impressive one though. Still, it's a level 5 ability and who knows what the MC may unlock by then.

Still Ella is quite impressive. Being able to craft functioning forms without the gift of memory must have been quite an ordeal. MC is really lucky in this regard. It's way more efficient to work on a structure that you understand innately, than building something from the ground up.

But maybe with his memory powers he will eventually be able to transcend the individuals and reach the ancestors through their DNA, touching a lizard to reach a dinossaur is something i can imagine happening.

I expect that his memory powers will be the main theme of his third evolution. I wish for them to manifest in a more mystical way than just through touch but in any case I hope that really cool things will come from it.

He is already quite adept at reading genetic memory and long term memory. It may very well be possible to read the evolutionary journey of species.

 

[Ddlc]

1. there is a big difference between "I disagree with it" and "this is vile". vile is a very strong word to describe something.

2. "historically it was used to do bad things" is why I wouldn't trust any government to do such a thing.
But we are not asked to trust anyone to do something.
We are shown that it was done, and it was NOT done in a bad way.
that is the key issue here.

1. "I disagree with it" is my opinion, "it is VILE "is also my opinion, both reflect how i see it, i have no problem if you think it's not a proper way to describe the situation, in my opinion it is and i'm fine if we disagree, you asked me to explain why i belived that and i'm honestly glad to try to.

2. I agree it's too much of an issue to relegate a decision like that to the goverment and i also would not to trust it to make a correct decision in something so important.
As for if it was done in a bad way i think it being done is already bad enough, but as i said it is my opinion and this opinion is "it's not right to do that, i disagree with it and find it vile to do so".
I think there are other ways to achieve the result "making superhumans enough", and if i was show through undeniable proof that it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY i would still think of it as a necessary evil at best.

 

[ItzSyther]

Anyways, I'm done with the vile topic of Eugenics as it leaves a sour taste in mah mouth (that or all the raisins I been consuming).

Question for everyone: If you woke up in the body as any of the characters (except the MC) and have their powers (if they have any) who'd you pick and why?

Me personally, I'm picking Deryl. Bro has fucking amazing powers for real.

 

[Neverwonder]

Anyways, I'm done with the vile topic of Eugenics as it leaves a sour taste in mah mouth (that or all the raisins I been consuming).

Question for everyone: If you woke up in the body as any of the characters (except the MC) and have their powers (if they have any) who'd you pick and why?

Me personally, I'm picking Deryl. Bro has fucking amazing powers for real.

But isn’t Deryl power required you to understand the structure of what you can make like don’t you have to understand the mechanic of a gun to make them like an upgraded version of Momo power from my hero academia
Me personally I would like jake power as his is basically money control you could literally just tell someone to give you many and they will or if you were kidnapped you can just tell them to stop free me and buy me ice cream and talk me home sound pretty busted to me sure u won’t physically be powerful but hey the pro outweighs the con in my mind

 

[Ddlc]

There exist a lot of applications for the exoskeleton though which is a big part of their strength. A lot of lessons in structure to be found in the insect kingdom, similar to how he uses the mantis mechanism for projectile launchers instead of just punching.

If he can combine the maximum density of his body (bones) and adapt it to an exoskeleton powered by muscles that can tear through steel, that's what i call improvement.

I personally disagree thought that he is worse at shapeshifting than Ella. She is better at changing others but I can't remember an instance where her forms were pivotal in a fight.

I think he is worse in the sense he needs to use his memory powers to transform into something, it seems Ella is able to mimic things by just seeing something and wanting to transform into that.

I expect that his memory powers will be the main theme of his third evolution. I wish for them to manifest in a more mystical way than just through touch but in any case I hope that really cool things will come from it.

He is already quite adept at reading genetic memory and long term memory. It may very well be possible to read the evolutionary journey of species.

I have a lot of expectations to the memory powers, my highest ones are.
1. Being able to use memory as mind attacks, making people forget things, trapping them in memories, implanting memories...
2. Using memories to make perfect copies of other superhumans down to their powers and copying them.

 

[ItzSyther]

But isn’t Deryl power required you to understand the structure of what you can make like don’t you have to understand the mechanic of a gun to make them like an upgraded version of Momo power from my hero academia
Me personally I would like jake power as his is basically money control you could literally just tell someone to give you many and they will or if you were kidnapped you can just tell them to stop free me and buy me ice cream and talk me home sound pretty busted to me sure u won’t physically be powerful but hey the pro outweighs the con in my mind

Jake is a solid choice. If I'm being honest I don't know if I must understand the structure or not with his power. But if so I best get to studying eh?

 

[vogelbeest]

This is just a case of "The ends justifies the means" which I'm not down with...at least at this level of it.

I can understand your point, Eugenics has had maybe 50 years to bring the situation to public attention...
But that means the existence of monsters would be made public at the risk of large scale panic or even chaos...
At that point the government knows about Eugenics having a technological advantage, but only few actually knew about the 5 superhumans crushing the rebellion for them.... Making the monster situation public knowledge would expose them...

Even 50 years later when HERO announces itself to the public, the Supreme Minister directly tries to get the superhumans under his command.... And before that the mafia actively is searching for superhumans... S.I.N. an organisation funded by some other rich people announces itself... That would have happened 50 years earlier as well, and only short after a civil war....

15% is immune to monster infection, 25% monsterfies, 40% dies and 20% turns into a superhuman...
Would it have been better to wait 50 years before trying anything? Roughly 2/3 will die or even start killing others in case the monster attacks keep increasing.... 25% of the monster victims effectively working like a catalyst...

It's not ethical, but buying that 50 years of time to prepare, might have been the better choice regardless...

 

[Neverwonder]

other answer would be nico because teleportation would also be pretty useful to have as that would save so much of your time and money if it you fully being tranport into her power where you can access all of of her level 5 power and if not well it still teleporting of a smaller degree and if it is a fully body swap with the character then i change my answer to nico for “two” other reasons if u know what I mean

 

[Gtdead]

Question for everyone: If you woke up in the body as any of the characters (except the MC) and have their powers (if they have any) who'd you pick and why?

Me personally, I'm picking Deryl. Bro has fucking amazing powers for real.

Interesting question.

I personally dislike glass cannons and immobile combatants. Which means that I dislike powers like Jake's (too immobile, 100% reliant on his power and awareness), Nico's (glass cannon, absolutely no staying power), Nyx (glass cannon, hasn't shown any actual defensive ability), Danica's (glass cannon, no defenses).

I liked Klaus powers a lot. An impressive defense, both ranged and melee combat capabilities, flying. The only thing I dislike is his reliance to a single type of attack, the plasma thing. What happens if someone is good at defending against it?

Bernhardt's abilities work in a similar way although he seems to have less passive defenses and way higher mobility. Of couse he is a level 5 and we don't know how he would look at level 2 (I'm assuming Klaus was a level 2, he was way more powerful than MC who was a late level 1 at this point).

Malik also seems quite balanced, with great defenses against physical attacks, flight and overwhelming offense. However I find the fire theme a bit boring and I wonder how he stacks against someone that is equiped to deal with fire based powers. We also don't know how he deals with mental attacks.

Alice is interesting. Passive defenses, enormous offense, but her mobility is a bit limited compared to the other three. Assuming that she somehow manages achieve flight and high maneuverability, she is a great contenter, but I haven't seen that yet.

Deryl's have a lot of similarities to the MC. Through his ingenuity he gets to have multiple abilities, like regeneration, flight, powerful offense, strong passive defenses through his tough body. However I think he is too reliant on preparation for my liking.

Then we have the timelords, one of which is Deus. While he was impressive against the possessed MC, I'm not sure what his potential is and under what rules his powers work best. Also I think that being all powerful without the freedom to fly is lame!

I think Bernhardt's powers fit more to the idea I have of a perfect combatant. Extreme mobility, a good defense and attacks that are hard to completely nullify.

 

[Neverwonder]

honestly when I picking the power was that mostly how easy they could make my life. I didn’t even think about the combat aspect of the power since I’m a lazy son of a bitch at heart and jake and nico power would make my life very easy to live. The ability to mind control someone to do anything I wished and the ability to to teleport anywhere I want is busted my me consider them as my best pick. Although the mc would have also been my top pick but Syther excluded our boy sooo the next best would be Ella if anyone wanted the shapeshifter ability

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The beauty of Cole's reaction.... "Mother...."
Is that the moment he sees how futile his goals to ever dominate MC are?
Has he been been talking to his great great great great granny all this time?
And then Zara just says we're still high on our evolution...
Is Cole just suffering from a bad case of minority complex?

He heard Mother and didn't want to fight anymore. He probably knows about us being the 4th's spawn too. That's why I love that scene. He had no problem with fighting until that was said. We all know Cole is eager to prove he's the best so him actually retreating says it all.

So... "being insulted" is a nothingburger.
But being "looked down on" is a crime?
Personally I consider both a nothingburger

Yes? Ella looking down on us wasn't the full problem with that scene. It's that she told Jake our identity, pushed him to mess with us and then acted like it's our own incompetence for getting influenced by his power. Even though she set the whole thing up to give Jake the advantage. She even went as far as training him personally while simultaneously building the idea in his head that we would be after him.

Nico throwing around random insults because she doesn't like anyone below level 3 isn't comparable at all to what Ella did. So yes, it was a nothing burger, in comparison. Nico was being prejudice, while Ella was being manipulative.

Question for everyone: If you woke up in the body as any of the characters (except the MC) and have their powers (if they have any) who'd you pick and why?

Deus for obvious reasons. Being able to see the future and being able to go back in time makes it an easy choice. The night terrors might be a problem though. A close second would be Nico, for her teleportation/transportation. I'd be a woman now but I'll be rich as hell.

If the MC was allowed, that would obviously be my number one because of shapeshifting and his memory powers. I would chose Alexis as well but her power has a painful ass drawback that's not worth it. Maybe, I'd chose Tiffany's power as well for the speed but that might be tough to get a hang of.

 

[jak1165]

Secrecy in itself isn't vile but the topic of what they were hiding is:
Example 1: A family secretly planning a party for a loved one
Example 2 : A man secretly plotting to kill a bunch of children

As you can see both are done in secret but both have extremely different intents. Secrecy isn't vile but the intent behind said secrecy is.

There is a major difference between a small group of individuals deciding the fate of a entire species and the whole species itself deciding. Yes, I think it's okay to sterilize the population if humanity as a whole decided upon it.

At least in the case of a vote humanity has a chance to decide rather than some group of elites deciding for the whole.

This line of thought trends toward the "Thanos did nothing wrong" line of thinking

Which isn't a great take lol. The fact that he left his genocide up to random chance doesn't make it not genocide

51% voting to kill the other 49% is the inherent flaw in a direct democracy

"Democracy is three lions and one gazelle deciding what to eat for lunch"

 

[New Kid]

Secrecy in itself isn't vile but the topic of what they were hiding is:
Example 1: A family secretly planning a party for a loved one
Example 2 : A man secretly plotting to kill a bunch of children

As you can see both are done in secret but both have extremely different intents. Secrecy isn't vile but the intent behind said secrecy is.

There is a major difference between a small group of individuals deciding the fate of a entire species and the whole species itself deciding. Yes, I think it's okay to sterilize the population if humanity as a whole decided upon it.

At least in the case of a vote humanity has a chance to decide rather than some group of elites deciding for the whole.

This is... quite a contradiction. You claim that what HERO did is vile because they didn't tell everyone what they were doing even though it was for a higher purpose of elevating the chances for the humankind, yet says that as long the intent is good it's okay to be secretive about it? They seem to be following a specific vision based on what Deus and Zack predicted that would lead to the best overall outcome according to what we know so far.

As for what character I would pick to enter the game world, I'd say Valravn, it would be dope as fuck playing as a talking crow that can kick ass medieval style. And we haven't even seen his full potential yet, I expect that he will break out of his prison at some point to display all his abilities in another epic fight. Maybe the MC could join the Lord of the Dark faction if it becomes a thing in the future? (Wishful thinking yeah, let a guy dream a little)

 

[jak1165]

Thinking about it another way, the problem is you have 10 people who are sick but only 8 doses of medicine. Do you let 2 people die or do you try to acquire 2 more doses of medicine

While unethical in action, HERO seems to at least be attempting some form of the latter

 

[ItzSyther]

This is... quite a contradiction. You claim that what HERO did is vile because they didn't tell everyone what they were doing even though it was for a higher purpose of elevating the chances for the humankind, yet says that as long the intent is good it's okay to be secretive about it? They seem to be following a specific vision based on what Deus and Zack predicted that would lead to the best overall outcome according to what we know so far.

Last time I'm gonna talk about this whatsoever.

The intent of HERO while has the positive of 'elevating' humanity it has the down side of curtailing a portion of the human population's fertility rates just for the 'greater good' the intent while 'good' in this scenario it has a double edged effect of harming many others.

I once again will use an example of something done in secret but has zero malice intent of any form:

I decide to secretly buy a game my friend has always wanted but could never afford to give to them. There is zero harm in this nor could you construe anything negative from it. It is purely a positive thing.

What HERO is doing while plenty can see the positive from it it has the added effect of fucking over those who do not fit what they want in their vision of humanity or rather, as you pointed out what Deus and Zack predicted.

I don't know enough about either character to comment on them except that Deus has his time related powers.

 

[ItzSyther]

Thinking about it another way, the problem is you have 10 people who are sick but only 8 doses of medicine. Do you let 2 people die or do you try to acquire 2 more doses of medicine

While unethical in action, HERO seems to at least be attempting some form of the latter

Me, I'm trying to acquire 2 more doses of medicine. Could it risk the other 8's lives? Yes. Is it possible I won't acquire that medicine in time? Very possible. But it's also possible I could get that medicine in time. It heavily depends on what those folks are sick with as well.

Plenty of people I assume would go the other route, the majority being who they save over the minority. But that's not how I roll. I want the outcome where everyone can make it. Yes I'm aware there will be times where that is simply impossible and in such case...well I guess they are all dying for my equal future on some Zamusu type fuckery.

I suppose for anyone here who played the Zero Escape series it's kinda like that. The people in that game want to save everyone but in most futures (timelines) it simply doesn't happen but there does exist one where it does (now only if the last game didn't end on a fucking cliffhanger).

Perhaps Deus and Zach saw a future where that could 'happen' but it's the path along the way required too much and they just decided on another path idk. That's just my take. Now I'm done with this, finna eat my raisins and watch zombie porn.