I wasn't happy with his evolution being called artificial either so I just headcanoned it as our arbiter using the material available to facilitate it, rather than us just haphazardly evolving, similar to what you're thinking. I'll similarly be annoyed a bit if the mc ever ends up using one of those serums, it just feels like those serums don't evolve you in a way that conforms with the apostles/arbiters plans because you take the challenge and ordeal out of the equation. Mostly pure headcanon on my part but will be interesting to see what's actually going to be happening nonetheless.
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I mean Xanthe's word isn't divine mandate just because he's smart. If pushing yourself to the absolute brink of death is the only "legit" way to evolve, everyone has failed MISERABLY save for Alice, but even then was contacted by her source Apostle. So if everyone has a small vision during their evolution process then the Arbiter "interfering" and acknowledging our effort is still legit. Consider we were practically near death upon even entering Deryl and eating him, I'm pretty sure it's even said that we were essentially dead and "reborn" (not in the literal sense) but our Evolution kind of healed us about the same way Deryl "evolved" when merging his bodies to fight us head on again. You could argue the same thing happened with Klaus, but it's like everyone expects to be put into a position like Valravn every other week and just evolve, but it doesn't work like that.
I say Xanthe's Serum is the only artificial way to evolve because it is LITERALLY by definition ARTIFICIAL, man made, a product. Rather than just getting a "promotion" from a literal god like entity that is deeply connected with your superpower and "nature". If that isn't natural, I don't know what is.
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I dunno why we are considering MC's evolution as artificial. Sure, he didn't go by the traditional approach of killing monsters and devouring them one by one. But, Deryl had done half of the work for him. He defeated (sorta) a monster-chimera in the form of Deryl and devoured the monster cells to achieve his evolution. Perhaps, he might've failed in the evolution if he was a regular superhuman like Jake rather than the being the heir of the Arbiter and all that. But, that is just a part of MC's main character energy.
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MC's evolutions seem to be much like that too... even the time he suppressed evolving fits...
But the time he was cut in half, he didn't evolve and neither did he after the fight with Kenny, while both times he was out for a week due to exhaustion. And after his last evolution he was as fit as the energiser bunny....
From that perspective it could be Xanthe was somewhat correct in assuming MC's last evolution was artificial. But it seems logical it's probably more like a catalyst then the reason for happening. MC's memory powers were in overdrive, even after the first part of the fight with Deryl was over, he kept reading memories and processing them, even if just mostly subconscious...
Deryl has been in that combined many monster form(s) state for a long time. His blood was similar to Xanthe's serum all that time too, yet he did not evolve until after he lost the fight. He was resurrected by Rebis, it wasn't even a standard evolution. Monsterfication might be a factor, but i wonder how his blood is now he rejoined with the Deryl proxy..
It seems most of the Apostles don't operate together, the 3th and 4th do, but it's mostly the Body doing the infections...
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Would another example be the MC would evolving again via a bad end by him eating monsterified Kenny and being under the control of the same thing that had Kenny (Oil Mommy or whatever it was)...but that was probably just him falling into monsterification rather than evolving I think I recall him mentioning a feeling when eating Kenny so this might fall under option 2 rather than 3 even if it was a case of evolution.
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LOL so we get monster cooties XD and then the Thing like virus reforms our body so now we know; the original dies so the Superhuman versión takes it's place that's kind of a let down but it makes sense we kind of take the MC place now that's Schrödinger's Cat like shit .
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I don't think anything in the game has really said that artificial (forced) evolutions are any better or worse than a natural one. So whether or not you evolve that way seems to have no bearing on the final product. The only exception seems to be the final Level 5 evolution. Clark says that you need to "seek it out" and meet particular requirements before it can happen and it carries a high risk of monsterification. The formula just takes that risk away. It's possible that Bernhard, Malik, and Henri are considered the most powerful/dangerous because of both their raw stats AND the versatility of approach their powers give them against most situations.
Just hypothetically: Bernhard's massive range, speed, and AOE could mean that he matches up very well against all/most of the other heavies at HERO in general. Coupled with his decades of experience and the fine control of his powers he has he'd just generally be a nightmare to take on. Might have nothing to do with him being a natural evo vs the others' artificially induced ones.
Just hypothetically: Bernhard's massive range, speed, and AOE could mean that he matches up very well against all/most of the other heavies at HERO in general. Coupled with his decades of experience and the fine control of his powers he has he'd just generally be a nightmare to take on. Might have nothing to do with him being a natural evo vs the others' artificially induced ones.
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The only time we see an issue or rather, a negative with forced evolution is with the lower quality serum. Do correct me if I'm wrong but Xanthe purposely gave Klaus a lower quality version of what he gave Michael and others who take it. I recall Klaus's face taking a more monster-ish look after using the serum.
I don't think he evolved from that, more or less he just got a power up but it changed his appearance a bit (mostly in his face) which makes me wonder if he did evolve would he undergo monsterification?
This scene in particular confirms Xanthe gave Klaus a lesser variant of what he usually gives (convo between Nico and him)
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Nico confirmed that the serum Xanthe gave to Klaus was not the real thing, i also think that wasn't really an evolution but maybe a temporary monsterfication, sadly we have no means to know if the effects were permanent since Klaus died soon after.
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Truly a damn shame we won't know if it was temporary or not. Perhaps we'll see the fake serum once more so we can get a confirmation if it's temporary or not.
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Ya I saw that as peak Lvl 1 Energy when he took that serum. Similarly to when one Evolves they are at the peak of their new Level for a time; Klaus was still a Level 1, but peaked for that short duration before we finished him off easily at peak Level 2.
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Oscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...
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When did Oscar monsterfied ? after Michael beat him or was he already monsterfied when we met him ?Oscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...
By the way, i expect the next update to end just before Ella's escape, while also trying to free Oscar and Valravn.
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We don't know. But Ella told Charlie he was alive and about his condition. Charlie works for Ella despite not really behind it, she does it to get Oscar free. She gets something mysterious and alive from Shopkeep, that would help Oscar to get rid of the monsterfication. That's why Charlie asks Deryl how he managed to become normal again after Jared attacked Laurie and MC. Deryl reminds Charlie of her brother, because they're both really smart... Oscar how we know him, doesn't seem smart at all.
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Oh what a potential delight! The idea of devouring Klaus and Oscar could be quite the fun time and it lets Oscar get the wish of his last thought...seeing his friends once more...in MC's memories that isOscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...
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I would give up that Oscar palate just to see Michael whoop his ass again on fair grounds. Honestly now that I think about it Michael is a WHOLE ASS menace. Not only does he have the DIRECT backing of his parent monster being the 2nd aka Power AND some of the Lightning Monster's resistance, but he was also a Monster BEFORE ever becoming a Superhuman.Oh what a potential delight! The idea of devouring Klaus and Oscar could be quite the fun time and it lets Oscar get the wish of his last thought...seeing his friends once more...in MC's memories that is
I do think it sucks though that Michael took the serum. It may be good for all the copium buffers that think he might betray us, as his corruption from his monster parent might be lower by skipping the influence via the ARTIFICAL evolution. But I also think he's missing out on potential power doing it this way as well. Sure we don't have any evidence that a Serum evolution is LESS THAN a normal one. But literally ALL of our power houses are all natural, including Henri apparently, that's gotta stand for something.
I just would have felt that Michael would've wanted to go about it the natural way through growth rather than skipping a step like everyone else and not learning his powers ahead of time. Perhaps he got impatient being behind everyone else but he did get his powers much later than everyone else also so complaining about that is kinda nonsensical.
Given the choice though, I'd eat Kalus in a heart beat and absolutely REFUSE to take that god awful serum. It's cheap, seems to disfavor Mommy the 4th or Daddy 3rd so I'll stick to the all natural style and then laugh in the face of stupid ass Nicolette.
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You and me brother, let's rock our all natural hoodies!..oh wait we weren't talking bout circumcision....but yeah we gotta stay allll natural for dat growth!
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No nope no way in hell not gonna cut any part of my pipí nor install Chrome neither XD
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You can be our honorary member and keep your hoodie, you're good bro
Also yeah, fuck Chrome.
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Yeah i; that i mean more like alexis kind of Chrome you know maybe my Lady would like that club let's say women also do stupid shit when high and drunk i don't like the metal but i love the bear and the lamb ink she got XD man her last single party was way more wild than mine at least i don't have a police récord.