VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[DrakoGhoul]

Fuck I gotta pay attention, I totally forgot about Henri tho that's true he must REALLY have a deep connection with his Apostle source.

I do wonder about how Evolutions ACTUALLY work though. I mean it seems like there is a multitude of factors that can play into evolving, but the only one that is "questionable" is Xanthe's serum route.



So I believe from what I remember on how one Evolves is:

1. Pushing yourself to your limits, even to the brink of death.
-Source: Ella, Teacher, Xanthe.
-Examples: Alice Lvl 2

2. Allowing a "feeling" to overtake you? At the risk of monsterfying.
-Source: Ella, Xanthe.
-Examples: Henri? Lvl 1-5, MC (Almost)

3. Consuming monster material, at the risk of being overtaken.
-Source: Xanthe, The Eye (3rd&4th Arbiter)
-Examples: MC Lvl 3

4. Having help from your source Apostle and/or Arbiter.
-Source: The Eye (3rd&4th Arbiter)
-Examples: MC Lvl 2-3, Henri? Lvl 1-5

5. (Artificial) Xanthe's Serum, at the risk of your body not handling it only it seems (RIDICULOUSLY OP), and MAYBE severing your favoritism from your source Apostle and/or Arbiter.
-Source: Xanthe, Teacher
-Examples: Lexi Lvl 5, Ella Lvl 5, Clark Lvl 5, Nicolette Lvl 5, Lisa Lvl 5, Nyx? Lvl 5, Lucius? Lvl 5, etc. (Save for Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri)

6. (Artificial?) Rebis making.
-Source: Deryl, Del, Rebis Monster
-Examples: Deryl Lvl 1-3 (Rigged and STILL incomplete)



I don't know if you can just "wake up" one day and evolve so calling the MC's Evolvtion "Artificial" I don't think would be the right term, he did it naturally at the risk of being consumed by monster material, definitely not something you can do every Saturday night.

I do wonder if that's what makes Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri so strong; due to evolving "naturally" throughout their entire process as nature intended. It does make me wonder if Lvl 5 is a SELECTIVE evolution done through only the will of the superhuman's source Apostle or even Arbiter, much like the MC's favoritism by the 3rd&4th Arbiter. They can also speak monster, which makes me wonder if they are being groomed as allies? For when they descend on the Earth, rather than vessels for the Arbiters. Something tells me Malik or even Bernhardt wouldn't be very accepting of giving up their free will to be essentially a puppet, they like having their OWN power. Even if Bernhardt's goal aligned by culling the human populace or something, Malik FOR SURE wouldn't be on board with enslaving or even annihilating the human race.

So if we do go by that theory, what made Malik, this kind hearted individual favorited by a race that wants lives weaker than them gone? Or Bernhardt, who wants the SUPERHUMAN race rather than Monster race to thrive. We know Henri's was accidental, so maybe they just liked his nature or something to do with how he would react to scenarios presented in the future by their kind.

But even below Lvl 5 people seem to get "visions" from their monster parent and even their source Apostles like Alice, but I did notice Alice wasn't contacted by the Arbiter of her source pair, then again; she WASN'T turned by her source Apostle, much less by a pair of them like we were.

We do know CORRUPTION also plays a role, which is odd because Malik doesn't strike me as the type, and I'm not sure if Bernhardt is eating monsters, he seems to despise them too. But Ella for instance casually talks to the 3rd or 4th, while the MC also has dreams speaking to them. I think the crazy part about the MC in particular though is we don't JUST dream about our parent monsters, rather about monsters we haven't even seen before like Danica's or Oscar's.

I dunno, just thought I'd throw it all out there, lemme know if I missed anything.

I didn't call MC's evolution artificial, Xanthe did. That's why I put "artificially" because that's what Xanthe believes.

For me personally, I think the MC evolved naturally and the reason why is because of the Origin itself. I'm of the belief that the Origin used the surrounding monster energy to wake up fully and pulled the MC to his realm. After they had their little talk, he triggered the evolution itself for the MC. We already know he has the power to push him beyond Level 5 by being reborn, so a jump to level 3 from level 2 seems like minuscule task by him in comparison.

Only problem with my thoughts here is the different lingering monster energy that remained inside of the MC. It was still left over after he evolved so that puts a hole im my conclusion. Maybe it was used as a cover but meh. It most likely was just the monster material that triggered it and I'm just thinking of any reason for my MC to still be a purist with Evolution.

 

[bloodaxis]

I didn't call MC's evolution artificial, Xanthe did. That's why I put "artificially" because that's what Xanthe believes.

For me personally, I think the MC evolved naturally and the reason why is because of the Origin itself. I'm of the belief that the Origin used the surrounding monster energy to wake up fully and pulled the MC to his realm. After they had their little talk, he triggered the evolution itself for the MC. We already know he has the power to push him beyond Level 5 by being reborn, so a jump to level 3 from level 2 seems like minuscule task by him in comparison.

Only problem with my thoughts here is the different lingering monster energy that remained inside of the MC. It was still left over after he evolved so that puts a hole im my conclusion. Maybe it was used as a cover but meh. It most likely was just the monster material that triggered it and I'm just thinking of any reason for my MC to still be a purist with Evolution.

I wasn't happy with his evolution being called artificial either so I just headcanoned it as our arbiter using the material available to facilitate it, rather than us just haphazardly evolving, similar to what you're thinking. I'll similarly be annoyed a bit if the mc ever ends up using one of those serums, it just feels like those serums don't evolve you in a way that conforms with the apostles/arbiters plans because you take the challenge and ordeal out of the equation. Mostly pure headcanon on my part but will be interesting to see what's actually going to be happening nonetheless.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I wasn't happy with his evolution being called artificial either so I just headcanoned it as our arbiter using the material available to facilitate it, rather than us just haphazardly evolving, similar to what you're thinking. I'll similarly be annoyed a bit if the mc ever ends up using one of those serums, it just feels like those serums don't evolve you in a way that conforms with the apostles/arbiters plans because you take the challenge and ordeal out of the equation. Mostly pure headcanon on my part but will be interesting to see what's actually going to be happening nonetheless.

I mean Xanthe's word isn't divine mandate just because he's smart. If pushing yourself to the absolute brink of death is the only "legit" way to evolve, everyone has failed MISERABLY save for Alice, but even then was contacted by her source Apostle. So if everyone has a small vision during their evolution process then the Arbiter "interfering" and acknowledging our effort is still legit. Consider we were practically near death upon even entering Deryl and eating him, I'm pretty sure it's even said that we were essentially dead and "reborn" (not in the literal sense) but our Evolution kind of healed us about the same way Deryl "evolved" when merging his bodies to fight us head on again. You could argue the same thing happened with Klaus, but it's like everyone expects to be put into a position like Valravn every other week and just evolve, but it doesn't work like that.

I say Xanthe's Serum is the only artificial way to evolve because it is LITERALLY by definition ARTIFICIAL, man made, a product. Rather than just getting a "promotion" from a literal god like entity that is deeply connected with your superpower and "nature". If that isn't natural, I don't know what is.

 

[Blizzard99]

I dunno why we are considering MC's evolution as artificial. Sure, he didn't go by the traditional approach of killing monsters and devouring them one by one. But, Deryl had done half of the work for him. He defeated (sorta) a monster-chimera in the form of Deryl and devoured the monster cells to achieve his evolution. Perhaps, he might've failed in the evolution if he was a regular superhuman like Jake rather than the being the heir of the Arbiter and all that. But, that is just a part of MC's main character energy.

 

[vogelbeest]

1. Pushing yourself to your limits, even to the brink of death.
-Source: Ella, Teacher, Xanthe.
-Examples: Alice Lvl 2

MC's evolutions seem to be much like that too... even the time he suppressed evolving fits...
But the time he was cut in half, he didn't evolve and neither did he after the fight with Kenny, while both times he was out for a week due to exhaustion. And after his last evolution he was as fit as the energiser bunny....

From that perspective it could be Xanthe was somewhat correct in assuming MC's last evolution was artificial. But it seems logical it's probably more like a catalyst then the reason for happening. MC's memory powers were in overdrive, even after the first part of the fight with Deryl was over, he kept reading memories and processing them, even if just mostly subconscious...

Deryl has been in that combined many monster form(s) state for a long time. His blood was similar to Xanthe's serum all that time too, yet he did not evolve until after he lost the fight. He was resurrected by Rebis, it wasn't even a standard evolution. Monsterfication might be a factor, but i wonder how his blood is now he rejoined with the Deryl proxy..

she WASN'T turned by her source Apostle, much less by a pair of them like we were.

It seems most of the Apostles don't operate together, the 3th and 4th do, but it's mostly the Body doing the infections...

 

[ItzSyther]

3. Consuming monster material, at the risk of being overtaken.
-Source: Xanthe, The Eye (3rd&4th Arbiter)
-Examples: MC Lvl 3

Would another example be the MC would evolving again via a bad end by him eating monsterified Kenny and being under the control of the same thing that had Kenny (Oil Mommy or whatever it was)...but that was probably just him falling into monsterification rather than evolving I think I recall him mentioning a feeling when eating Kenny so this might fall under option 2 rather than 3 even if it was a case of evolution.

 

[necromater]

LOL so we get monster cooties XD and then the Thing like virus reforms our body so now we know; the original dies so the Superhuman versión takes it's place that's kind of a let down but it makes sense we kind of take the MC place now that's Schrödinger's Cat like shit .

 

[devilsdetails]

I don't think anything in the game has really said that artificial (forced) evolutions are any better or worse than a natural one. So whether or not you evolve that way seems to have no bearing on the final product. The only exception seems to be the final Level 5 evolution. Clark says that you need to "seek it out" and meet particular requirements before it can happen and it carries a high risk of monsterification. The formula just takes that risk away. It's possible that Bernhard, Malik, and Henri are considered the most powerful/dangerous because of both their raw stats AND the versatility of approach their powers give them against most situations.
Just hypothetically: Bernhard's massive range, speed, and AOE could mean that he matches up very well against all/most of the other heavies at HERO in general. Coupled with his decades of experience and the fine control of his powers he has he'd just generally be a nightmare to take on. Might have nothing to do with him being a natural evo vs the others' artificially induced ones.

 

[ItzSyther]

I don't think anything in the game has really said that artificial (forced) evolutions are any better or worse than a natural one. So whether or not you evolve that way seems to have no bearing on the final product. The only exception seems to be the final Level 5 evolution. Clark says that you need to "seek it out" and meet particular requirements before it can happen and it carries a high risk of monsterification. The formula just takes that risk away. It's possible that Bernhard, Malik, and Henri are considered the most powerful/dangerous because of both their raw stats AND the versatility of approach their powers give them against most situations.
Just hypothetically: Bernhard's massive range, speed, and AOE could mean that he matches up very well against all/most of the other heavies at HERO in general. Coupled with his decades of experience and the fine control of his powers he has he'd just generally be a nightmare to take on. Might have nothing to do with him being a natural evo vs the others' artificially induced ones.

The only time we see an issue or rather, a negative with forced evolution is with the lower quality serum. Do correct me if I'm wrong but Xanthe purposely gave Klaus a lower quality version of what he gave Michael and others who take it. I recall Klaus's face taking a more monster-ish look after using the serum.

I don't think he evolved from that, more or less he just got a power up but it changed his appearance a bit (mostly in his face) which makes me wonder if he did evolve would he undergo monsterification?

This scene in particular confirms Xanthe gave Klaus a lesser variant of what he usually gives (convo between Nico and him)

Spoiler: Nico and Xanthe scene

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[Ddlc]

The only time we see an issue or rather, a negative with forced evolution is with the lower quality serum. Do correct me if I'm wrong but Xanthe purposely gave Klaus a lower quality version of what he gave Michael and others who take it. I recall Klaus's face taking a more monster-ish look after using the serum.

I don't think he evolved from that, more or less he just got a power up but it changed his appearance a bit (mostly in his face) which makes me wonder if he did evolve would he undergo monsterification?

Nico confirmed that the serum Xanthe gave to Klaus was not the real thing, i also think that wasn't really an evolution but maybe a temporary monsterfication, sadly we have no means to know if the effects were permanent since Klaus died soon after.

 

[ItzSyther]

Nico confirmed that the serum Xanthe gave to Klaus was not the real thing, i also think that wasn't really an evolution but maybe a temporary monsterfication, sadly we have no means to know if the effects were permanent since Klaus died soon after.

Truly a damn shame we won't know if it was temporary or not. Perhaps we'll see the fake serum once more so we can get a confirmation if it's temporary or not.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

The only time we see an issue or rather, a negative with forced evolution is with the lower quality serum. Do correct me if I'm wrong but Xanthe purposely gave Klaus a lower quality version of what he gave Michael and others who take it. I recall Klaus's face taking a more monster-ish look after using the serum.

I don't think he evolved from that, more or less he just got a power up but it changed his appearance a bit (mostly in his face) which makes me wonder if he did evolve would he undergo monsterification?

This scene in particular confirms Xanthe gave Klaus a lesser variant of what he usually gives (convo between Nico and him)

Spoiler: Nico and Xanthe scene

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Ya I saw that as peak Lvl 1 Energy when he took that serum. Similarly to when one Evolves they are at the peak of their new Level for a time; Klaus was still a Level 1, but peaked for that short duration before we finished him off easily at peak Level 2.

 

[vogelbeest]

since Klaus died soon after.

Truly a damn shame we won't know if it was temporary or not. Perhaps we'll see the fake serum once more so we can get a confirmation if it's temporary or not.

Oscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...

 

[Ddlc]

Oscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...

When did Oscar monsterfied ? after Michael beat him or was he already monsterfied when we met him ?

By the way, i expect the next update to end just before Ella's escape, while also trying to free Oscar and Valravn.

 

[vogelbeest]

When did Oscar monsterfied ? after Michael beat him or was he already monsterfied when we met him ?

We don't know. But Ella told Charlie he was alive and about his condition. Charlie works for Ella despite not really behind it, she does it to get Oscar free. She gets something mysterious and alive from Shopkeep, that would help Oscar to get rid of the monsterfication. That's why Charlie asks Deryl how he managed to become normal again after Jared attacked Laurie and MC. Deryl reminds Charlie of her brother, because they're both really smart... Oscar how we know him, doesn't seem smart at all.

 

[ItzSyther]

Oscar is still alive but monsterfied, Danica is alive unless you devoured her, Klaus' body was taken to HERO base, most likely he's monsterfied and kept in containment, just like Oscar... Seems to me we might still get a chance to devour Oscar and Klaus in the future...

Oh what a potential delight! The idea of devouring Klaus and Oscar could be quite the fun time and it lets Oscar get the wish of his last thought...seeing his friends once more...in MC's memories that is

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Oh what a potential delight! The idea of devouring Klaus and Oscar could be quite the fun time and it lets Oscar get the wish of his last thought...seeing his friends once more...in MC's memories that is

I would give up that Oscar palate just to see Michael whoop his ass again on fair grounds. Honestly now that I think about it Michael is a WHOLE ASS menace. Not only does he have the DIRECT backing of his parent monster being the 2nd aka Power AND some of the Lightning Monster's resistance, but he was also a Monster BEFORE ever becoming a Superhuman.

I do think it sucks though that Michael took the serum. It may be good for all the copium buffers that think he might betray us, as his corruption from his monster parent might be lower by skipping the influence via the ARTIFICAL evolution. But I also think he's missing out on potential power doing it this way as well. Sure we don't have any evidence that a Serum evolution is LESS THAN a normal one. But literally ALL of our power houses are all natural, including Henri apparently, that's gotta stand for something.

I just would have felt that Michael would've wanted to go about it the natural way through growth rather than skipping a step like everyone else and not learning his powers ahead of time. Perhaps he got impatient being behind everyone else but he did get his powers much later than everyone else also so complaining about that is kinda nonsensical.



Given the choice though, I'd eat Kalus in a heart beat and absolutely REFUSE to take that god awful serum. It's cheap, seems to disfavor Mommy the 4th or Daddy 3rd so I'll stick to the all natural style and then laugh in the face of stupid ass Nicolette.

 

[ItzSyther]

I would give up that Oscar palate just to see Michael whoop his ass again on fair grounds. Honestly now that I think about it Michael is a WHOLE ASS menace. Not only does he have the DIRECT backing of his parent monster being the 2nd aka Power AND some of the Lightning Monster's resistance, but he was also a Monster BEFORE ever becoming a Superhuman.

I do think it sucks though that Michael took the serum. It may be good for all the copium buffers that think he might betray us, as his corruption from his monster parent might be lower by skipping the influence via the ARTIFICAL evolution. But I also think he's missing out on potential power doing it this way as well. Sure we don't have any evidence that a Serum evolution is LESS THAN a normal one. But literally ALL of our power houses are all natural, including Henri apparently, that's gotta stand for something.

I just would have felt that Michael would've wanted to go about it the natural way through growth rather than skipping a step like everyone else and not learning his powers ahead of time. Perhaps he got impatient being behind everyone else but he did get his powers much later than everyone else also so complaining about that is kinda nonsensical.

Given the choice though, I'd eat Kalus in a heart beat and absolutely REFUSE to take that god awful serum. It's cheap, seems to disfavor Mommy the 4th or Daddy 3rd so I'll stick to the all natural style and then laugh in the face of stupid ass Nicolette.

You and me brother, let's rock our all natural hoodies!..oh wait we weren't talking bout circumcision....but yeah we gotta stay allll natural for dat growth!

Spoiler: Hoodie Gang

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Beating Nico's serum using ass would be a delight if we went about it the all natural way, no cheap boosts, none of dat.

 

[necromater]

No nope no way in hell not gonna cut any part of my pipí nor install Chrome neither XD

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

No nope no way in hell not gonna cut any part of my pipí nor install Chrome neither XD

You can be our honorary member and keep your hoodie, you're good bro

Also yeah, fuck Chrome.