The jocks Kenny and James that were infected by Minyak were also candidates for the same plan that Ella used Jake and the MC for. She doesn't need somebody with the power of an arbiter or even an apostle for that part of her plan.
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If the twins fuse they'll obviously be Limber.
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1. Let me amend that statement then, all "reasonable" people agree.
- Never said murder was never justified. She did it cause you basically sexually harassed her in the women's bathroom a very insane response but lets not act like you are completely in the right. And if i was clark i'd do the same thing if my job was killing monsters and a random superhuman with unknown intentions are trying to take away a monster corpse/ fuck with the organization.
- How do we know if the mindless mc didn't kill everyone already or if Malik evacuated everyone beforehand?
- This is actually just victim-blaming lol. Ella is literally the only person who can bring Mia back, Jake has always had self doubt and Ella had already mind fucked him for a while by that point. Trying to kill the player is completely justified because thats that only way he thought he could get Mia back. If you don't like him using his powers for groping, you should also hate the fact that the Player transforms into a woman to perv on and deceive the cheerleaders, fucks them based on lies and literally transforms into other characters to masturbate right? Or is that another double standard im hearing?
- Im not gonna defend deryl lol
2. Not really, its clearly implied in the story multiple times that she killed the students. Your explanation is fan fiction
3. You getting superpowers is literally irrelevant in a discussion of her character. It say nothing of character cause shes doing it for her own gain, not for altruistic reasons. Most of them aren't using you cause you want to help lol (Liz, Christine, Angelina) etc. Don't think any one of them would force you if you said no. Again, HERO is morally dubious, no one questions that. But they do far more good then bad. Sin and Ella are literally just evil. Don't think anyone defends Deryl or Tiffany and we don't know the intentions of 3rd and 4th
5. Yes lol, I'd say HERO is saving hundreds of thousands of people every week. It's a fundamentally selfless and morally "good" actions. idk what you know about ethics but deontologically they would both be bad (but HERO would still be infinitely more moral then Ella) but from a consequentionalist perspective HERO are literal saints where's Ellas just evil.
6. It's like you just ignored me
- Its a battlefield
- We are his enemies
- we are all trying to kill the other side
- Ofc he's gonna go after the injured dude. Its just a smart thing to do lol.
Yeah i'll defend a bully infinitely more morally then an actual Psychopathic murderer. I try to keep biases off when i assess a character.
Its just incredible to me lol, people don't like Liz because she rejected you once, Jake cause he did some fucked shit while being mind fucked and blackmailed with his crush.'s life. And heres Ella, a literal combination of every negative aspect of every character in the game and people somehow love her. Like you're seeing how you have to bring what bad thing every single character in the game did to justify ONE persons actions right?
Like I understand liking her, she's hot and charming at times. But liking her should literally disqualify you from ever criticizing another main character.
Anyway im done with the paragraphs. This long form shit is not for me.
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For the part about the 3rd and the 4th, Ella wasn't suspicious because she already knows that they can give the same power, even if the 4th does it. The MC only showed the shapeshifting trait so she just chalked it up to him only inheriting it, since getting both is extremely rare. There's also the chance that the Memory trait was also rare, by Valravn statement. So she probably figured he would only get the Body trait like her.
This update, we learned that the Twin Apostles traits can be crossed inherited via the other Twin. We don't know exactly how or the chances of it but looking at the 3rd and 4th being able to use each other's power, it seems that the twins can use each other's powers. Obviously, they'll be better with their own trait but can use their twins at varying degrees. Thinking about it, the 7th most likely used the 8th's Light power to eradicate the MC with it's glowing eye on that dead end.
So the 3rd and 4th showing up together doesn't really point to anything for Ella. At least nothing that should grab her attention. She already knows they work together and likely encountered both during her own infection. Pair that with the possible rarity of the Memory trait and that the MC only showed shapeshifting, it wouldn't be shocking if Ella just dismissed the whole thing. It's not like she's omniscient or infallible.
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I really doubt there's only 6 left... to evidence to them being gone is a memory that's not yours during your 2nd evolution.
It's really too vague, it's speculation at best. You "No, the six... seven through twelve have already been..."
We know there's one creature, Apostle or Origin killing gods and Apostles... But he could just kill their avatars...
There's the dark lord, the one that made Valravn, he's the seventh if we look at Valravn's card, so that directly proves the theory "7th through 12th are gone" is false. We know most of the descendants of the 9th, the 10th and especially the 7th follow the Dark Lord... So half of these supposedly dead Apostles... So i guess it would make more sense if 7th through 12th Apostles are loyal to the Dark Lord or being forced to follow him...
Edit : Also Ella has at least 8 hearts to summon Apostles.... And Valravn's heart is one of them... If she needs twins that only leaves 9/10/11/12 ?
Besides that 11 and 12 could be impossible to summon if they're the Outer Twins, the only real Gods of them all... ?
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What is the name of the guitar track that is similar to this great opening in the game.That dude is pathetic, would not be surprised if he tried to pull some shit during a mission and gets curbstomped by Alice when he thinks it's safe to make a move because the MC isn't there, dude's probably got blinders on when it comes to how powerful she is compared to him too.
I don't even think Ella's the one looking for twins, I think that's something that SINs upper management (Langdon/Klaus' dad/etc) are cooking up without her involvement, although now that she's most likely incommunicado with the rest of her posse they're probably helping them. Maybe the heterochromia dude in the preview could be a fusion of two non identical twins, both die together and are reborn together as one type of deal. Next update can't come soon enough.
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I'm sure it's for the same reason, Ella needs the twins because the Apostles are twins... It's just a matter of higher chance to be a suitable host, after all both Apostles share the same Origin, just like twins they are similar....
The other part needed is the hearts, and of course the dark ritual that Ella has to do...
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I'm even sure summoning these Apostles isn't Ella's endgoal.... Getting the original powers, the traits of both apostles, and even all 6 of them.... That's something Ella wants to get and that's needed to reach her final goal.
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Try : Zero end, Madworld, a Foreign World, Myst, Children of Morn, the Coven, Cybernetic Seduction, Hot Sands of Antarctica, How to fix the future, Color of my Sound, Etlina's Principle, the falling reloaded, projekt passion, Stray Incubus.... That's all fantasy stuff...
The Hellcat Lounge, Linage or Legacy, yesterday's crossroads could use some attention too, but without doubt there's many many more..
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If this is based on the "hopefully my other 2 chosen handle it better" monologue, I have some doubts. Both MC and Jake have already handled it better, and the 2 others could refer to Kenny and Michael.
Then she says "Oh MC, does it have to be you after all?", which is quite melancholic like something bad is going to happen, but later during the last training segment she talks to MC about his role, she says that she won't wait forever, and MC will get the chance to fight for his ending and she will cheer for him. If she cares about MC due to the past, even a little, then why wouldn't she just go 100% on him and bother with the others?
This scene is a bit of a tangled mess. Have you found any other reference that may shed some light?
I agree that she isn't infallible, but her behavior seems particularly.. stupid, considering that it's a big part of her plan. But then again we don't really know what she is looking for exactly so perhaps it will make sense later in the game? Who knows.
The apostles in their true form are probably alive. The evidence points to their avatars being dead and I get the sense that without their avatars, they can't really interact with the "Human Plane". Aglaec says that MC's allies are trying to claim those dead avatars and the one that Marcus has in his basement seems to be an apostle.
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They just make new avatars, the only purpose for avatars is infecting monsters/humans/creatures on another plain... HERO has been collecting the remains of avatars, probably even used them to infect people, we don't know much about Tiffany, but i wouldn't be surprised she's been injected with parts of an Apostle, Claudia probably will be next....
I'm pretty confident I figured out a missing piece of the MC's backstory and I've been trying to put a post together about it to make a point, but it kept spiralling out of control once I get to the end. You'll see why.
Firstly, I was looking for when the MC's mother died and how old he was at time, so I went fact-finding.
1. The MC's feud with Deryl started when they were thirteen.
2. That feud lasted a year. They were both fourteen in their last middle school fight.
3. In their final fight, Amber and then the MC tells Deryl that his mother died the previous year.
4. His eyes were treated just before he met Deryl at the same clinic we saw after the fight with Kenny.
5. The MC ran away from home because his father refused to tell him what happened.
6. He was almost held back in his last year of primary school because of that.
7. The MC's eyes were still healing back when he started middle school.
I put the given date of his mother's death late in his last primary school year, when he was twelve, close to thirteen. Later in the same calendar year, he started middle school. That fits pretty well.
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After that, I re-read the dream he has after he faced Ella in her apartment and-
-does he seem twelve, soon-to-be-thirteen, in his family flashback?
The babysitter hired for just a day, the constant waiting for his parents to return, the fear of abandonment, the excitement when he thinks his parents are back, the hesitation to open the door to their bedroom. It all screams younger.
There's no phone, never a mention of school, friends, neighbours, ordering food in or going out for supplies. No independence. Just a sad kid eating old crackers alone and waiting on the front porch of an empty house with an empty fridge. This is the MC a few months before he met Deryl? The boy in this flashback ran away to live in a homeless camp for a month with his eyes in who knows what state?
Before I start endlessly speculating on when, why, how, and what the fuck: am I wrong to think that the lost chapter of his life could be a lot longer than the MC's been led to believe?
Firstly, I was looking for when the MC's mother died and how old he was at time, so I went fact-finding.
1. The MC's feud with Deryl started when they were thirteen.
2. That feud lasted a year. They were both fourteen in their last middle school fight.
3. In their final fight, Amber and then the MC tells Deryl that his mother died the previous year.
4. His eyes were treated just before he met Deryl at the same clinic we saw after the fight with Kenny.
5. The MC ran away from home because his father refused to tell him what happened.
6. He was almost held back in his last year of primary school because of that.
7. The MC's eyes were still healing back when he started middle school.
I put the given date of his mother's death late in his last primary school year, when he was twelve, close to thirteen. Later in the same calendar year, he started middle school. That fits pretty well.
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-does he seem twelve, soon-to-be-thirteen, in his family flashback?
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There's no phone, never a mention of school, friends, neighbours, ordering food in or going out for supplies. No independence. Just a sad kid eating old crackers alone and waiting on the front porch of an empty house with an empty fridge. This is the MC a few months before he met Deryl? The boy in this flashback ran away to live in a homeless camp for a month with his eyes in who knows what state?
Before I start endlessly speculating on when, why, how, and what the fuck: am I wrong to think that the lost chapter of his life could be a lot longer than the MC's been led to believe?
I don't know if somebody else already told this, but there something that can brake the game during a scene after defeating Kenny - I've just kept skipping text and then for some reason I get evolution and 20 power out of the blue. I look into relationships and see that there are huge numbers as if they are after fighting Klaus. And all the options to spend my free time are fucked up (for example I can go to gym and meet Angelna right after meeting Demi). I don't know what happened because after reloading the choice of killing Kenny or eating him I have done the same choice (killing) but that bug didn't appear.
I think I should mention that I have a huge amount of older saves that are much later into the game. Maybe they somehow fused with new one idk.
I think I should mention that I have a huge amount of older saves that are much later into the game. Maybe they somehow fused with new one idk.
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1. This dream was a strange one. I still don't know what to think about it.
2. So when Ella met Mc(in childhood)? On what stage of his life? Was it before his eyes got destroyed or after?
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You are right. This kid is younger and acts nothing like the young MC we know from the flashbacks. Young MC left home and joined a shelter on principle. This kid is probably a lot younger. I wouldn't say that MC has lost this chapter of his life. It's possible that he just can't recall it due to his age.
There is also a small possibility that the memory isn't his and he just placed himself in the memory of another. Although things kind of align. A father that was away for periods of time, living in a house with a porch. I'd rather assume that it's MC's memory.
At some point Ella invites MC to her orphanage and there is a kid with a blindfold there. She says that MC used to wear bandages around his eyes. So the more likely scenario is that she met him around the time of his accident.
This is similar to my own thoughts on it, it's very possible his "dad" isn't his actual dad as well. I have some headcanon speculation that is in no way substantiated by anything in the game beyond just my thoughts where the mc is the son of the third and fourth who'd been living in their avatar forms, taking the shape of perfect copies of human beings, such that they could actually give birth to a proper human, with the potential for more and a direct link to their Arbiter. Pure speculation of course but it's fun to think about, for me anyway.
While I don't like the subject matter or the genre, I feel like Star Periphery should get a mention for the models, those are some thicc milfs.
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That's when he gets introduced to her in class, she is sleeping, he might just not have been able to see her face from where he was sitting....
And seeing less when still wearing the bandages seems logical too... Anyway, there's definitely more to come on MC's past, and where and how he met Ella...