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What if Ella didn't kill the guy that was harassing Christie because Ella was the guy harassing Christie?
Maybe Ella was testing to see if the MC would protect her friends if she had to be out of commission for awhile.
Yeah that acting was really bad or genius XD calling the feeling of the MC hero persona was a death giveaway .
 
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Speaking of Deus,

Going too deep into his combat abilities is a bit premature because the circumstances were special. I think most of the community agrees that his performance against possessed MC was overwhelming due to the short time that MC had his new powers. Of course that could be wrong and Deus could be a level 6 or something, but w/e.

I compiled a bunch of quotes that showcase his unique insight, his differences with Zack and some oddities that seem to fly under the radar in his fight against MC.

1)

Dexter "You've become too reliant on Deus. He is no replacement for Zack."
Xanthe "On the contrary, he is even more precise."
Both Zack and Deus are level 4 at the beginning of the game. I think it's a fair assumption to say that Zack is older than Deus, which should make him more powerful. But Xanthe says that Deus is more precise.

I think the reason for this is how they interact with time. Perhaps Zack has better "future sight" but he can see more general things, while Deus can follow certain branching time points and precisely find out what is going to happen, but he is more limited at how far he can see in the future.

2)

Deus "As I recall her name is Ella."
You "(Ella?! She's here? And he knows her?)"
You "So... Ella's with you?"
Deus "Hmhmhm, no, quite the opposite."
You "Then... you're enemies?"
Deus "Of a sort."
You "Then shouldn't you go... I don't know, capture her, or something?"
Deus "My venerable leader would certainly think so. Malik has wanted to end her rampage for some time now."
Deus "However, I'm going to need her work completed if this whole mess is going to be sorted."
You "(....Who the fuck is Malik? And why is this guy talking like he knows me?)"
Deus "But that brings me to you. You in particular should be careful of her [name]."
Deus "Your future with her is murky, you'll want to be prepared."
Now this piece of dialogue is especially interesting for 3 reasons.

First it shows that Deus has a plan that is seperate from the rest of HERO and it's quite possible that he hasn't informed them of it at all. Which makes him a rogue agent for all intends and purposes.

The second interesting piece is that he can't see MC's future with her. That seems like foreshadowing, that MC will get to make a choice with Ella in the future.

The third is that whatever Deus knows, Zack seems to not know. While Zack is injured, he should have been at least as powerful as Deus was. While we don't know when Zack got injured, Ella's schemes are not new and it seems to me that Zack hasn't got a single clue about what is going on.

3)

Deus "You don't want to face her until you're strong enough to impress. And even then, you'll want to keep your secrets close."
Deus "Those eyes of hers see a lot, but she doesn't have the understanding you do."
Deus doesn't know who Ella or MC are. Additionally MC doesn't have any understanding at all. Not of the situation he is in, not of what it's expected of him. The only thing he seems to understand very well is his powers.

For Deus to say such a thing, and considering how deep he has put himself in this situation (meaning that he wants to see it to it's end), it means that not only he can see the future, but he can get very specific details. He seems to know exactly why the MC is needed, despite the MC not being anywhere close to the level that he should be.


4)

Lucius "But there'll be more fear. I agree with Malik, better we just deny everything and have Zack and Henri cover everything up like the old days, they'll be suspicious but there's not a whole lot they can do about it."
I may be overreaching here, but I think Deus requires a more controlled environment, while Zack can predict and alter without much hassle. Any operation of the kind that Lucius describe would be huge in scope, considering that Henri's powers seem poorly suited for precision attacks based on what Xanthe says.

When Zack says that he can't contribute, the easiest thing to do is to just switch out Zack for Deus, but Lucius doesn't do that, he just surrenders his idea.

5)

Deus "To think the it would split in a direction like this. Did I make a mistake? Or was it you... There's just too much for me to tell."
Deus "No matter. I can kill you, even from here, as long as I keep my eyes focused on this point. Then things will right themselves."
Deus "It's for you own good, believe me. I'll put you out of all our misery."
There are a lot of things going on here.

First, it shows that his powers are probabilistic and not deterministic. We can't know how it works for Zack, but Deus seems to "explore" the future, not see it. Which could also explain his night terrors, seeing all possible futures and some of them being too hard on the mind.

Second, considering that Deus wants Ella's plan completed and has claimed that MC has unique understanding, making sure to protect him during all this time, he claims that things will "right" themselves. Is that a fourth wall thing? Is Deus Weirdworld sending us to main menu and forcing us to reload? Or it's just that MC is just one candidate and there will be others if Deus manages to kill him now.

Lastly, he claims that he kills MC for his own good. That's a bit cynical unless he knows that MC is trapped in the consciousness of this thing and wants to spare him the torment. Of course that would contradict MC getting embraced by the entity in the darkness but we can't possibly know the particulars.

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At last though, I'm not sure what to make of these. Hopefully someone will find them useful and give me more ideas.
 

necromater

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Now who dun killed the cuck?

Dexter? Tiffany? Langdon? Ella? The level 5s? Deus? No you fools it was clearly the dog! Shadow has all the motives...Alaric said she wasn't the best girl! Therefore she had her monster goon do him in...said goon owed her a favor after their tour of duty in dog-nam....think about it that monster goon who killed Alaric has a rather...canine appearance...coincidence? I think not! Lady Shadow has her paws all over the world it's only a matter of time before she takes control man...then its game over man! Although I welcome our sexy granny dog overlord!
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Remember everyone, do it for her.

But on a serious note I got big money on it being Ella's crew who did Alaric de Cuck in. Or refer back to my theory of Dexter and all of the level 5s being involved (Deus included) in making Alaric a Martyr for the HERO cause (get public on their side) against the monster threat and if possible spin the whole thing to blame SIN.
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necromater

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Speaking of Deus,

Going too deep into his combat abilities is a bit premature because the circumstances were special. I think most of the community agrees that his performance against possessed MC was overwhelming due to the short time that MC had his new powers. Of course that could be wrong and Deus could be a level 6 or something, but w/e.

I compiled a bunch of quotes that showcase his unique insight, his differences with Zack and some oddities that seem to fly under the radar in his fight against MC.

1)



Both Zack and Deus are level 4 at the beginning of the game. I think it's a fair assumption to say that Zack is older than Deus, which should make him more powerful. But Xanthe says that Deus is more precise.

I think the reason for this is how they interact with time. Perhaps Zack has better "future sight" but he can see more general things, while Deus can follow certain branching time points and precisely find out what is going to happen, but he is more limited at how far he can see in the future.

2)



Now this piece of dialogue is especially interesting for 3 reasons.

First it shows that Deus has a plan that is seperate from the rest of HERO and it's quite possible that he hasn't informed them of it at all. Which makes him a rogue agent for all intends and purposes.

The second interesting piece is that he can't see MC's future with her. That seems like foreshadowing, that MC will get to make a choice with Ella in the future.

The third is that whatever Deus knows, Zack seems to not know. While Zack is injured, he should have been at least as powerful as Deus was. While we don't know when Zack got injured, Ella's schemes are not new and it seems to me that Zack hasn't got a single clue about what is going on.

3)



Deus doesn't know who Ella or MC are. Additionally MC doesn't have any understanding at all. Not of the situation he is in, not of what it's expected of him. The only thing he seems to understand very well is his powers.

For Deus to say such a thing, and considering how deep he has put himself in this situation (meaning that he wants to see it to it's end), it means that not only he can see the future, but he can get very specific details. He seems to know exactly why the MC is needed, despite the MC not being anywhere close to the level that he should be.


4)



I may be overreaching here, but I think Deus requires a more controlled environment, while Zack can predict and alter without much hassle. Any operation of the kind that Lucius describe would be huge in scope, considering that Henri's powers seem poorly suited for precision attacks based on what Xanthe says.

When Zack says that he can't contribute, the easiest thing to do is to just switch out Zack for Deus, but Lucius doesn't do that, he just surrenders his idea.

5)



There are a lot of things going on here.

First, it shows that his powers are probabilistic and not deterministic. We can't know how it works for Zack, but Deus seems to "explore" the future, not see it. Which could also explain his night terrors, seeing all possible futures and some of them being too hard on the mind.

Second, considering that Deus wants Ella's plan completed and has claimed that MC has unique understanding, making sure to protect him during all this time, he claims that things will "right" themselves. Is that a fourth wall thing? Is Deus Weirdworld sending us to main menu and forcing us to reload? Or it's just that MC is just one candidate and there will be others if Deus manages to kill him now.

Lastly, he claims that he kills MC for his own good. That's a bit cynical unless he knows that MC is trapped in the consciousness of this thing and wants to spare him the torment. Of course that would contradict MC getting embraced by the entity in the darkness but we can't possibly know the particulars.

___________

At last though, I'm not sure what to make of these. Hopefully someone will find them useful and give me more ideas.
Already called W.W doing a self insert in the history dev went dark Tower and shit. the books not that lame movie
 

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Dehydrated as fuck for that granny dogussy mah boi.

Somehow...someway she is involved totally...I need just a taste...just a smidge of dogussy I mean I'll settle for a head pat or even a tail wag or...god even the pure ecstasy that is a lick or bite from her majesty.

Gawt damn I'm down horrendous right now ima have to fucking meditate this in the corner while praying to Mommy 4th to grant me the bounty of Lady Shadow but our lord above all else Wise Sage W.W knows damn well ima get all hawt and bothered bout her too.

Syther just can't win :cry:
 
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Dehydrated as fuck for that granny dogussy mah boi.

Somehow...someway she is involved totally...I need just a taste...just a smidge of dogussy I mean I'll settle for a head pat or even a tail wag or...god even the pure ecstasy that is a lick or bite from her majesty.

Gawt damn I'm down horrendous right now ima have to fucking meditate this in the corner while praying to Mommy 4th to grant me the bounty of Lady Shadow but our lord above all else Wise Sage W.W knows damn well ima get all hawt and bothered bout her too.

Syther just can't win :cry:
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Sorry to soil everyone's granny panty talk but do any of you know the song that plays right before the ultimate choice of right or left? The artist would also be appreciated:
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Sorry to soil everyone's granny panty talk but do any of you know the song that plays right before the ultimate choice of right or left? The artist would also be appreciated:
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So after a bit of looking around the audio file related to that scene is called "Interest9" but interestingly in the music index W.W doesn't note down who did that song and its proper name (he prob forgot to include it or maybe my music index is out of date idk) but I can only assume it is the artist "Teknoaxe" who did multiple other "Interest" music scenes.
 
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Ella... can't be... :cry:
Fear not fellow Ella simp, I am the Grand Arch Bishop of the Church of Ella. It was foretold that Ella would not die this day, for she has too much planned for her loyal subjects of lust.

Hold true to your heart of belief, for you must not let it sway by the influence of sin as is the way of the cult of Mommy the 4th, Shadow, or the Alice heathens.

-Ronald Grand, Ellawep 12:6
 

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Clue 4: Does anyone actually benefit from Alaric's death? Langdon could benefit by making HERO seem incompetent, but why go after Alaric instead of Dexter? For all he and we know, Dexter is a human and a MUCH better target. Alaric is small fry and it's also possible for Langdon to try and sway him to his side, getting political power that he currently lacks in comparison. Dexter on the other hand does have something to gain. He can spin it as a horror that even HERO couldn't deal with, so he needs more funding/members/laws/political power to enforce them, he would maintain the connection to one of the influential families and free Tiffany of Alaric's burden. After all he claims that his father was good at picking a wife for him, but Alaric is obviously a poor choice for Tiffany.
Dexter's likely protected to the gills, with Nyx mark and other things that either directly protect him from harm or otherwise will let him recover from it, maybe he even has protective charms made out of monster remains on him, there's really no way to tell. Regardless I don't think someone in his position would be so lacking in foresight that he wouldn't be protected.
 
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Ella our lord and savior is taking a well deserved rest. It's the duty of the faithful to spread her word and awesomeness, fight the unworthy who oppose her influence and train our hands and dicks to fap hard when she returns to us.
 
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Ella... can't be... :cry:
Fear not fellow Ella simp, I am the Grand Arch Bishop of the Church of Ella. It was foretold that Ella would not die this day, for she has too much planned for her loyal subjects of lust.

Hold true to your heart of belief, for you must not let it sway by the influence of sin as is the way of the cult of Mommy the 4th, Shadow, or the Alice heathens.

-Ronald Grand, Ellawep 12:6
Ella our lord and savior is taking a well deserved rest. It's the duty of the faithful to spread her word and awesomeness, fight the unworthy who oppose her influence and train our hands and dicks to fap hard when she returns to us.
Meanwhile the MC and his friends (Ella included? :unsure:) after realising there is one less cunt going around 'persuading' people into cooperation:
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Who are the apostles again? For some reason i wake up today just remembering mommy and daddy the 3rd and 4th, but i forgot who were the others
 

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Who are the apostles again? For some reason i wake up today just remembering mommy and daddy the 3rd and 4th, but i forgot who were the others
The 1st is the Authority.

You see him if you fight Jake in prison(I believe it requires some corruption points) and if you kill him. It's the Eye Boob boy with the mouth tentacles.

The 2nd is the Power.

You see Golden Boy descend from the clouds as Michael kills Leigong, the lightning monster.

Those 2 are the first set of twins. Their traits together makes Order.

You already know the 3rd and 4th, since they appear at the very beginning. They're called the Body(3rd) and Memory Mommy(4th). We can skip the rest of that.

The 5th is unknown. It's speculated by me that it represents Time and is called "Eternity".

The 6th is the Ether and represents Space.

You see him during Alice's 2nd Evolution this update. We don't know much else about else him currently.

The 7th is the Dark or Lord of Dark.

You see it for the first time on the dead end at Ella's apartment if you had 7 Power and chose to fight her. You'll also see it again in your dreams after reaching Level 2. Also during Valravn fight, during his flashback. He's the spawn of the 7th.


The 8th is the Light.

It's currently unknown if that's it's name or not. It could be the Radiant, the Brilliance or something else dealing Light. We also haven't seen it yet but we learned that Tiffany was turned via a serum made from it's avatar. We also learned this update from Aglaecwif that it indeed might be Light as it's the only Apostle, besides the 6th, that could reach the Monster's realm from our universe via travel.

Beyond the first 8 Apostles, we don't know anything besides the 9th and 10th lines worshipping the Lord of Dark, who is the 7th. That should cover it all, unless I missed something here or there for their appearances in game.
 

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How was Jake a potential inheritor of Order? As far as I know, he isn't a dual spawn like Mc. Is it possible to receive another monster trait if you already have one?
 
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How was Jake a potential inheritor of Order? As far as I know, he isn't a dual spawn like Mc. Is it possible to receive another monster trait if you already have one?
As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin. Extremely rare, but possible nonetheless. MC and possibly Deus are the only ones we know that have both. Maybe Jake could've been another dual trait spawn as well but he messed it up with his mental state? Or it's possible to unlock the traits upon evolving. That seems to be the case with Ella. At least, that seems to be what she was hoping for on her 5th Evolution. Then again, she could've been hoping for the Arbiter(The Origin) to awaken in her. Or it could be both. They're likely connected anyway.

It's not exactly confirmed but Aglaecwif and The Origin would be pretty credible on the possibility and they both say Jake's the failed chosen of the Authority. Since Aglaecwif doesn't refute Ella's saying that about Jake, it's most likely a thing. It still wouldn't be common but it's possible to get both traits from one Apostle.

Now, I'm not sure about getting only the opposite trait from the other Twin. As in, Michael being turned by the 2nd but only getting the 1st authority trait, as an example. It's most likely a package deal, in that you get both or only the main trait of the twin that infected you. To further add to it. We know, at least for the 3rd and 4th(possibly the 7th and 8th from that dead end) that the Twins share each other's power in different levels of control. It could be possible that they can give their twin trait instead of their own. Probably, extremely unlikely to happen often, if at all.

So basically, we don't exactly know yet. We know Ella and Jake was turned by only one of them, yet Ella potentially expected the Memory trait while hoping Jake would gain Power at some point. As for the MC, while it's still debated here, I'm of the opinion he's only turned by one of them as well but he was compatible with both Traits. It seems extremely unlikely that both turned him. Especially since Fairy, Aglaecwif, Valravn and the MC himself only acknowledges one of them as his parent.
 

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For real though what is the purpose of Alaric's death? "Because Tiffany is a LIs and shes only mine!" kinda thing? That could have been a Netori situation lol.
 
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