VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[ItzSyther]

For real though what is the purpose of Alaric's death? "Because Tiffany is a LIs and shes only mine!" kinda thing? That could have been a Netori situation lol.

Who knows the purpose truly behind his death, we just gotta wait and see. I still like my theory of HERO just making him a Martyr for their cause (and what better way to make a Martyr than at his own wedding in front of so many people of influence).

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Alright quit your big brain theories people, I just got to the end of the Deryl fight/Laurie death in my replay, my thoughts:

1. The Deryl Dilemma

I forgive Deryl a little more now as I think I have a better grasp on why the flying fuck he did what he did.

-Deryl was brainwashed by Jake to love Ella.
-He gains his powers and receives an order/condition or whatever from Charlie and Ella tells him to STAY PUT.
-He constructs PM Office Deryl, Alice Mansion Deryl, and works on Del.
-Deryl's stupid cocky nature gets the best of him WHILE STILL UNDER THE UNDYING LOVE INFLUENCE, he sends PM Office Deryl to attack the MC and Jake of his own volition to prove himself to Ella.
-After the MC finishes PM Office Deryl, the MC goes to fight ORIGINAL DERYL and during the fight, he breaks his brainwashing but still has Charlie's stigma.
-Deryl loses control of himself for whatever reason, and fails to evolve (this in part is probably done by Charlie's stigma; as mentioned with Shen getting to his 4th Evolve before Cole via a deal with said stigma).
-By Charlie's order he goes back to Ella's base to finish the hearts, but before Original Deryl loses complete control to his nature, he floods Alice Basement Deryl with his humanity and what not through pure instinct to preserve what little of himself before monsterfication fully took over.
-Del is also finished before hand, and joins H.E.R.O leaking the MC's documents in order to force Alice Basement Deryl to get closer back to the original via plot, of Del's own free will mind you.
-The Diamond War commences and the Deryl Chimera's are monsters so of course they act as bodyguards so that cocky Original now Monster Deryl can fight the MC one on one for literally no reason other than to be a prick.
-After all the Deryls minus Alice Basement join up with the Original, he becomes remade and Evolved, as he wanted for himself from the get go, but he is incomplete, allowing the Monsterifed state to still take hold, even if the Alice Basement Deryl joined up, he would still love swallowed up by the Original's monster nature.
-The MC beats this Deryl, weakening it, so that when the last Deryl joins up it's a more complete Evolution, thus restoring Original Deryl, and all the Deryls after.

He's still a massive cunt for it, but if it was me (save for fighting my friends for no reason) I probably would've done the same with luring Basement me back to my original self.



2. The Laurie Saving Conditions

So this part is fucking RIDICULOUS to me. At first I thought the ONLY way to save Laurie was because Deryl got a special healing serum from Aglaecwif (he even mentions trading a few things), and that's why we could only save her going Right. But upon reading the dialogue; Deryl uses his evolution blood, and of course our skill check and Deryl win.

There is virtually NO GOD DAMN REASON why we can't just go Left, meet Aglaecwif, request Skill as a prize, and STILL save Laurie...shit even all of the Deryl fights checks remain the same save for the Hesitate/Do Not Hesitate.

I really wish you could do both, as there is no reason for you not to if Deryl isn't even using anything he doesn't have in his possession already...it sucks and will probably be the one thing I'll always hold against W.W; still love them tho.




Anywho that's my summary of everything up to that point via going Right. I still need to go Left again and read everything with Valravn, and then go play through the rest of the after War content once more. But overall, it was fun going back ALLL the way through and being better well informed and catching stuff I missed previously. Hopefully my terrible memory will cease from a 5th god damn replay.

 

[Misalton]

Have just replayed the whole game and found something interesting. When Nico goes off on how MC is a weakling during introduction to HERO Xanthe says:"leave the talking to the educated". Does that mean that Nico didn't attend/finished university? It would be quite hilarious if true.

 

[Dominosaur]

Alright quit your big brain theories people, I just got to the end of the Deryl fight/Laurie death in my replay, my thoughts:

2. The Laurie Saving Conditions

So this part is fucking RIDICULOUS to me. At first I thought the ONLY way to save Laurie was because Deryl got a special healing serum from Aglaecwif (he even mentions trading a few things), and that's why we could only save her going Right. But upon reading the dialogue; Deryl uses his evolution blood, and of course our skill check and Deryl win.

There is virtually NO GOD DAMN REASON why we can't just go Left, meet Aglaecwif, request Skill as a prize, and STILL save Laurie...shit even all of the Deryl fights checks remain the same save for the Hesitate/Do Not Hesitate.

I really wish you could do both, as there is no reason for you not to if Deryl isn't even using anything he doesn't have in his possession already...it sucks and will probably be the one thing I'll always hold against W.W; still love them tho.

I think you have to go right so that you know what the red light is, so you don't get blindsided by it. Basically by MC having foreknowledge, he can save some energy, and then he has power to spare so he can hold back, which leads to a bit of "are you still in there" so Deryl also holds something back, so by the end, you're both at 10% and can save Laurie, instead of at 1% ad have to watch her die.

Is the idea.

That said, there should be another check on hesitate where if Power=Max, the you can brute force through it.

 

[JuAqe]

So this part is fucking RIDICULOUS to me. At first I thought the ONLY way to save Laurie was because Deryl got a special healing serum from Aglaecwif (he even mentions trading a few things), and that's why we could only save her going Right. But upon reading the dialogue; Deryl uses his evolution blood, and of course our skill check and Deryl win.

I think he requests power or skill himself, meaning that after he becomes whole he is more powerful than if mc was the one who went left and got the power/skill instead, giving him the ability to heal Laurie, since Mc alone isnt able to fully heal laurie due to his, for lack of a better word, lesser ability to manipulate someone else's flesh

 

[xhib]

Speaking of Deus,

Going too deep into his combat abilities is a bit premature because the circumstances were special. I think most of the community agrees that his performance against possessed MC was overwhelming due to the short time that MC had his new powers. Of course that could be wrong and Deus could be a level 6 or something, but w/e.

I compiled a bunch of quotes that showcase his unique insight, his differences with Zack and some oddities that seem to fly under the radar in his fight against MC.

1)



Both Zack and Deus are level 4 at the beginning of the game. I think it's a fair assumption to say that Zack is older than Deus, which should make him more powerful. But Xanthe says that Deus is more precise.

I think the reason for this is how they interact with time. Perhaps Zack has better "future sight" but he can see more general things, while Deus can follow certain branching time points and precisely find out what is going to happen, but he is more limited at how far he can see in the future.

2)



Now this piece of dialogue is especially interesting for 3 reasons.

First it shows that Deus has a plan that is seperate from the rest of HERO and it's quite possible that he hasn't informed them of it at all. Which makes him a rogue agent for all intends and purposes.

The second interesting piece is that he can't see MC's future with her. That seems like foreshadowing, that MC will get to make a choice with Ella in the future.

The third is that whatever Deus knows, Zack seems to not know. While Zack is injured, he should have been at least as powerful as Deus was. While we don't know when Zack got injured, Ella's schemes are not new and it seems to me that Zack hasn't got a single clue about what is going on.

3)



Deus doesn't know who Ella or MC are. Additionally MC doesn't have any understanding at all. Not of the situation he is in, not of what it's expected of him. The only thing he seems to understand very well is his powers.

For Deus to say such a thing, and considering how deep he has put himself in this situation (meaning that he wants to see it to it's end), it means that not only he can see the future, but he can get very specific details. He seems to know exactly why the MC is needed, despite the MC not being anywhere close to the level that he should be.


4)



I may be overreaching here, but I think Deus requires a more controlled environment, while Zack can predict and alter without much hassle. Any operation of the kind that Lucius describe would be huge in scope, considering that Henri's powers seem poorly suited for precision attacks based on what Xanthe says.

When Zack says that he can't contribute, the easiest thing to do is to just switch out Zack for Deus, but Lucius doesn't do that, he just surrenders his idea.

5)



There are a lot of things going on here.

First, it shows that his powers are probabilistic and not deterministic. We can't know how it works for Zack, but Deus seems to "explore" the future, not see it. Which could also explain his night terrors, seeing all possible futures and some of them being too hard on the mind.

Second, considering that Deus wants Ella's plan completed and has claimed that MC has unique understanding, making sure to protect him during all this time, he claims that things will "right" themselves. Is that a fourth wall thing? Is Deus Weirdworld sending us to main menu and forcing us to reload? Or it's just that MC is just one candidate and there will be others if Deus manages to kill him now.

Lastly, he claims that he kills MC for his own good. That's a bit cynical unless he knows that MC is trapped in the consciousness of this thing and wants to spare him the torment. Of course that would contradict MC getting embraced by the entity in the darkness but we can't possibly know the particulars.

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At last though, I'm not sure what to make of these. Hopefully someone will find them useful and give me more ideas.

I think I can clear up the timeline around Zack and Deus. At least a little.

1) I found some fun stuff on Zack while I was trying to figure out his age.

Spoiler: Zack's Early Career

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2) How, who or what injured Zack are completely unknown, but we do have a few clues as to when he was injured and we know roughly when Deus joined.

Spoiler: When did Deus take over Zack's duties? A timeline.

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I can't pinpoint when Zack and Team Kronos were injured, but I think I can narrow it down.
A. Around a month or two before the game began at the earliest.
B. Slightly before the R&X massacre at the very latest.

Deus still seems fairly new to HERO in the first and second months of the game. It is a strange coincidence that a new precog joins so soon after the old one got taken out.

4) Lucius says something really interesting here.

Spoiler: Cole leaks secrets, HERO debates their response

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Before the idea gets shot down, Lucius talks about how Henri and Zack maintained HERO's secrecy in the old days. The way he phrases it seems revealing.

Cole released evidence of human experiments, mass sterilisation and a public eugenics program. Lucius still expects suspicion after Zack and Henri theoretically cover everything up. That means they probably couldn't alter the timeline or completely erase the leak from the public consciousness but the evidence disappears.

I'm not sure what to make of that, but I think it's worth keeping that in mind for past events. Until recently, HERO could cover its tracks pretty well.

 

[TerminusPrime]

As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin. Extremely rare, but possible nonetheless. MC and possibly Deus are the only ones we know that have both. Maybe Jake could've been another dual trait spawn as well but he messed it up with his mental state? Or it's possible to unlock the traits upon evolving. That seems to be the case with Ella. At least, that seems to be what she was hoping for on her 5th Evolution. Then again, she could've been hoping for the Arbiter(The Origin) to awaken in her. Or it could be both. They're likely connected anyway.

It's not exactly confirmed but Aglaecwif and The Origin would be pretty credible on the possibility and they both say Jake's the failed chosen of the Authority. Since Aglaecwif doesn't refute Ella's saying that about Jake, it's most likely a thing. It still wouldn't be common but it's possible to get both traits from one Apostle.

Now, I'm not sure about getting only the opposite trait from the other Twin. As in, Michael being turned by the 2nd but only getting the 1st authority trait, as an example. It's most likely a package deal, in that you get both or only the main trait of the twin that infected you. To further add to it. We know, at least for the 3rd and 4th(possibly the 7th and 8th from that dead end) that the Twins share each other's power in different levels of control. It could be possible that they can give their twin trait instead of their own. Probably, extremely unlikely to happen often, if at all.

So basically, we don't exactly know yet. We know Ella and Jake was turned by only one of them, yet Ella potentially expected the Memory trait while hoping Jake would gain Power at some point. As for the MC, while it's still debated here, I'm of the opinion he's only turned by one of them as well but he was compatible with both Traits. It seems extremely unlikely that both turned him. Especially since Fairy, Aglaecwif, Valravn and the MC himself only acknowledges one of them as his parent.

Ella doesn't seem surprised by the MC gaining the shapeshifting ability if they're infected by the 4th, and doesn't seem to expect them to have the Memory ability.
That's likely due to the 3rd and 4th both having the same powers and working together more than the other pairs seem to, but it's likely a little bit more complicated than it seems at first.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Ella doesn't seem surprised by the MC gaining the shapeshifting ability if they're infected by the 4th, and doesn't seem to expect them to have the Memory ability.
That's likely due to the 3rd and 4th both having the same powers and working together more than the other pairs seem to, but it's likely a little bit more complicated than it seems at first.

I covered that in my post. It's likely not a common thing but it's still possible to inherit the opposite twins power from the other. There's probably a lot variables to it, yeah. Like the Apostles twins working together could indeed play a part. Or, having enough compatibility with both twins trait and the mind set being proper for it. Maybe even an Arbiter chilling inside of you plays a part as well?

The MC is a special case as he was compatible with both twins trait and has an Arbiter inside of him, which made it possible for him to get both regardless. Ella not being surprised does say that it's possible to inherit the opposite trait but that might only apply for our own twins.

 

[Seeker Of Truth]

So anybody have an idea as to what release date the latest devlog mentioned?

 

[Gtdead]

Dexter's likely protected to the gills, with Nyx mark and other things that either directly protect him from harm or otherwise will let him recover from it, maybe he even has protective charms made out of monster remains on him, there's really no way to tell. Regardless I don't think someone in his position would be so lacking in foresight that he wouldn't be protected.

I agree that Dexter would probably survive it but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad target. He may be marked but it's implied that Nyx needs a body or to be in close proximity to resurrect someone. Whatever charms he may have would need to be incredibly strong, making him either untargetable, unable to be shallowed or indestructible with the ability to wound or kill the monster himself. Otherwise the monster just eats him and flees. Alexis doesn't have the best track record in underground fights and I doubt that humans can actually create that powerful items which turn businessmen into gods.

Instead the monster just kills Alaric and lingers there, waiting for the Captains to finish their chat and kill it. In the same timeframe Kenny had already killed multiple partygoers. So in my opinion, everything about the scene is just too fishy to be an actual attack on Dexter's credibility or property.

 

[mcmng]

I agree that Dexter would probably survive it but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad target. He may be marked but it's implied that Nyx needs a body or to be in close proximity to resurrect someone. Whatever charms he may have would need to be incredibly strong, making him either untargetable, unable to be shallowed or indestructible with the ability to wound or kill the monster himself. Otherwise the monster just eats him and flees. Alexis doesn't have the best track record in underground fights and I doubt that humans can actually create that powerful items which turn businessmen into gods.

Instead the monster just kills Alaric and lingers there, waiting for the Captains to finish their chat and kill it. In the same timeframe Kenny had already killed multiple partygoers. So in my opinion, everything about the scene is just too fishy to be an actual attack on Dexter's credibility or property.

That Mofo wields a freaking power glove, I'm pretty sure the chimera wouldn't get even near him without that infinity gauntlet looking thing going off, doing whatever it's supposed to do.

 

[bloodaxis]

As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin.

I have this pet theory that for that to happen you basically need to have gotten the attention of your particular apostles origin and then they approve you to have the power through the link to you, I also think this is what happened to the mc and the reason he was approved is either because he had a connection to the origin from before or he was just compatible because of whatever happened to him. It seems to me that the connection to the origin is almost entirely where the powers come from, hence origin. Could obviously again just be the ramblings of a madman but to me it fits, for now anyway.

Instead the monster just kills Alaric and lingers there, waiting for the Captains to finish their chat and kill it. In the same timeframe Kenny had already killed multiple partygoers. So in my opinion, everything about the scene is just too fishy to be an actual attack on Dexter's credibility or property.

It's for that reason I think the monster might have been something that Deryl was working on before everything happened that SIN/langdon got their hands on, and they decided to use it to get rid of Alaric, a future thorn in their side, who at any point in the game is a much easier target than almost anyone else in that venue. Anyone else of any consequence anyway to their knowledge.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

As far as I'm concerned, it's possible to cross inherit the twins traits from a singular Twin.

I feel like that defeats he purpose of having a grandiose title for each Twin in the first place then.

There are Twins that DON'T really fit the overall vibe of each other, whether it be looks or abilities. Take the 1st & the 2nd; they don't look alike at all, the 2nd shows virtually no traits of the 1st and vise versa during our brief view of them. There's also the 7th & 8th, which are polar opposites in terms of powers, they should have literally no common compatibility whatsoever, even in their mannerisms (7th wants everything dead and dark, doubt it's creational double wants the same thing despite apparently having duplicate traits apparently).

I'll always die on the hill that the MC was DOUBLE injected by the 3rd and 4th. Cause it's not like the MC has JUST a portion of the alternative ability, he has damn near the EQUIVALENT mastery of it as much as the main one you pick. Not even the Twins show complete control over both abilities so why would it make sense to be able to inherit BOTH abilities from 1? It makes the 2nd COMPLETELY useless. Why have the Dark Lord if Light Queen can just be Dark Lord every Tuesday? Especially if they can pass on a power that isn't even their created purpose in the first place.

Eh sorry for this rant, guess it just rubs me the wrong way from a narrative perspective that only ONE of the Twins infected you instead of just having both, that way it's an actual team effort, and not just some luck of the draw "happen to have both" abilities to full mastery.

 

[Demandred20]

So anybody have an idea as to what release date the latest devlog mentioned?

I doubt WW himself knows the exact date since he puts things out as quick as hes done and after some testing but he said mid July and 17-18th seems reasonable considering his earlier releases which have been early in the week.

 

[Gtdead]

My initial thought was that the 4th just changed MC's memory and made him think that she turned into a hot chick and blew him. But after killing Jake, it's obvious that the 4th can also shapeshift, since she takes a snakelike form to constrict Authority.

Deadend 3 also gives a clue, assuming that the darkness monster is indeed the 7th, that he has some light based power? The one that ultimately kills MC.So I think it's fair to assume that the numbered have both traits to a certain extend.

DrakoGhoul's theory of "cross" inheritance fits these clues,

I think that it's more complex than that and the theory needs to take into account the differences between human and monster physiology. Perhaps in time, through Deryl, we will learn more on the topic.

I do have an uneedlesssly complex theory on the matter, but I don't want to talk about it yet cause I haven't figured it out completely. However for that specific part it's fairly straightforward, even if I'm making some big assumptions.

1) We know that the Arbiter can "possess" the MC.
2) We also know that the Apostles, just like the Arbiter, can't manifest in the "human" plane.
3) We know that Apostles created monsterkind.
4) Lastly we know that Apostles use Avatars to do their business in the material plane, exactly like the Arbiter does with MC.

With these 4 clues, I think that the Avatars are monsters, and they are the children of the Apostles. Essentially the twins fucked each other or used whatever breeding method they have iat their disposal, to create monsters that they possessed.

Due to that, the Avatars do indeed have both powers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Apostles themselves have both powers.
However, since these avatars carry both traits, it's possible to pass either or both, depending on the host's physiology.

 

[Asherandai]

Reading all this discussion is making me realise I've missed a shitton of stuff... I'm not even sure what some of the stuff people are talking about is... What's the "Arbiter" and how/why is it different to the Apostles?

*sigh* I'm gonna have to play through again now...

 

[NameNo003]

Gentlemans, I was promoted after the successful spy misson of S.I.N base to become personal agent for Mr Prime Minister Dexter Miliken, which was an opportunity to get a look at the Miliken family. Claudia was such a nice girl so today I bring you the most wealthy family of the entire world.

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[The Specter]

Gentlemans, I was promoted after the successful spy misson of S.I.N base to become personal agent for Mr Prime Minister Dexter Miliken, which was an opportunity to get a look at the Miliken family. Claudia was such a nice girl so today I bring you the most wealthy family of the entire world.

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Claudia is definitely the closest to her ingame sprite

 

[devilsdetails]

Gentlemans, I was promoted after the successful spy misson of S.I.N base to become personal agent for Mr Prime Minister Dexter Miliken, which was an opportunity to get a look at the Miliken family. Claudia was such a nice girl so today I bring you the most wealthy family of the entire world.

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These look awesome! But I have no idea how you managed to make Tiffany look older than Dexter

 

[necromater]

Reading all this discussion is making me realise I've missed a shitton of stuff... I'm not even sure what some of the stuff people are talking about is... What's the "Arbiter" and how/why is it different to the Apostles?

*sigh* I'm gonna have to play through again now...

Just think is jhon wick high table but with monsters instead of a Group of Alarics XD. Boy cuckboy had few scenes but he made them shine and that finale was an opus of dark humor.