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Yes, but she was referring to Order specifically not that she hasn't met any being at all that had both traits. That's the error you made in the post. She was only talking about not meeting anyone with the Order trait since the Origin.Here is the dialogue, she mentioned Jake but she wasn't talking about him, she was answering the question about the greatest power:
As for the power of the avatars, the library mentions that their power is beyond anything that Xanthe has seen, but then again, that doesn't mean that the avatars are as strong as the Apostles. The scope of the powers may be way beyond any human can conceptualize, even someone as brilliant as Xanthe. I mean, if I'm right and the possessed MC is literal with what he says, it IS all of the matter in the universe. I don't think that Xanthe and the rest of the HERO have conceptualized these powers as gods (I mean Benhardt calls the Himavat a "god" but to me that's way too iffy). A simple comparison of an avatar corpse to an S ranked monster doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. It's possible that I missed something though.
But yea, my theory is needlessly complex and there are is not enough info to substantiate. It's based on.. ~10 lines of dialogue which are fairly cryptic to begin with.
Back to the Avatar thing, I'm pretty sure it said they could use their full power through it, at some point in game. That they're as powerful as they would be in person. They're wielding it all through it. The only draw back is the Avatar breaks down because it can't handle the power for long. That's what's stated in the game and it's likely not wrong since they found multiple corpses.
As for the beyond human comprehension stuff, it's most likely not that deep to the point that HERO and the others can't comprehend it. The MC already went to their plane of existence and was able to perceive the 1st in it's actual body. The Bernhardt thing wasn't serious, he was insulting the monster by calling it "god" because it isn't one. It's only that to the monsters weaker than itself.
I also doubt the Dev is going full personification/embodiment for the Apostles or even the Arbiters to a lesser extent. If the Origin MC was literally all of matter in the universe(he's not), why did he lose to Lexi controlling his own iron webbing body? Why did he lose to Deus's Time(and possibly Space) powers? He also wouldn't have been struggling to adapt to the Earth's surface since it would've been his own self. Hell, why did the universe still remain after Deus killed him? If he was the literal thing, majority of it would've ended along with him.
So for me, I don't really agree with that point. Though, you're free to do as you please. I don't believe the Apostles are their traits in the literal sense. The Arbiters at full power might semi be like that but I don't believe the Apostles are like that at all.