VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[RonaldGrand6969]

Deryl's circumstances showed us a possibility that makes the monster motives very complicated, even if the resolution could be fairly simple. Let me explain:

The facts:
1) Deryl turns into monster.
2) By instinct he empowers his clone with his humanity.
3) MC beats monster Deryl badly, depleting almost all of his power.
4) The empowered clone returns to the whole and manages to reshape Deryl into a human.
5) Deryl thanks the MC for the beating, claiming that it was catalytic to that outcome.

If my point isn't yet clear, it seems that the power differential can allow the human side to win over the monster side. We had that indication since power protects the superhuman from monsterification during evolutions, but Deryl is proof that the interaction is more complicated than that.

A level 2 MC is for all intents and purposes, a weakling. So if he allows the Eye to be reborn, he gets dominated and absorbed by it.

What would happen if a naturally evolved level 5 with huge reserves of power allowed the Eye to be reborn? Would the same scenario repeat or it would be the opposite, MC dominating and absorbing the Eye?

Ella seems very insistent on MC becoming strong. She has high hopes that MC, who had his powers for a few months, will end up surpassing her in power which is odd to say the least. But even if it's possible, what's the damn purpose? We know that she doesn't just want the Arbiter to take over MC thanks to the Deadend. She wants MC to fight and choose his own fate. She says so during training 33.

This is all speculation but one of my theories is that Ella wants to create a god with a human-first agenda. We can't know the why. Perhaps the monsters are meant to win if things don't change, or perhaps there is some other apocalyptic event on the horizon and humanity will need the extra power to survive. Perhaps it's something more complex and more "neutral". But whatever the reason, for the superhuman to become god, they would need to inherit the power of an arbiter and a connection to the "higher plane".

The reason why I said that monster motives can be complicated, is because if that's the case, then why would they wait for the superhuman to reach level 5 and be able to resist them or even absorb/consume them? Perhaps monsters don't have the sense of self that humans have. Perhaps they don't care if they retain their agency or if they just live on in the superhuman's genes.

You too make good point GT as always

You're obviously right about Deryl, but Monsters and failed Monsterifed humans are 2 different things. I'm prone to believe the Monsterifed humans will probably have SOME semblance of humanity that can drive them past their instincts to an extent (like you mentioned with Deryl), but what of the OG intelligent monsters or the ones that come through the gates from another plane? THAT was my point, as those seem to be the primary ones infecting people for "caring" purposes.

The Eye argument is a good example...but if we are prone to believe that the Eye like in the Dead End can shove his OVER LEVEL 5 energy into a Level 2 body, what's to say he can't win a power struggle against a new Level 5 MC? Unless of course there's a time skip where we spend Malik/Bernhardt levels for time with our power to threaten The Eye, there's no way we are just whooshing away that Primal influence that stands above even the Apostles.

Regarding the Ella paradox, we don't know 100% that she DOESN'T want the MC stronger for the Origin to possess. It could be that she very well wanted us stronger so that EVENTUALLY, with a complete body (Level 5); she could insert the hearts and THEN bring the Origin making it a COMPLETE resurrection rather than an incomplete rushed one that spawned in the middle of a Level 5 war. You're right though she DOES say she wants US to win almost with a sadden expression during Training 33, and as much as Ella haters LOVE to write that interaction off, I think it serves as some of the only semblance of Ella ACTUALLY having a heart to heart moment, albeit slight and brief. The somber atmosphere almost speaks to ME as if she doesn't actually want "her side" to win, whatever that entails (even if it does mean bringing back the Arbiter). So if she DOES want us as a vessel, why kill us when we prove to have the Memory trait? She also seemed so sad that it was up to us for whatever purpose her Level 5 Evolution was to bring, does that mean SHE wanted to be the vessel, and that WE were to just be a failsafe if she failed in that regard (which she did), that would explain why she's so smitten with us later on in the story. Perhaps she's broken, beaten, and we are her only "salvation" to whatever plan she or the Apostles want to bring to light.

There are SO many factors we don't know about Ella...maybe she really does want a "human agenda" god. But her actions speak otherwise, she doesn't really seem to care about EITHER side in the matter, and even works with the Monsters themselves for whatever purpose. It's worthy to note; AT FIRST, after the year she spent away from Middle School when she came back she seemed to be fighting against something speaking to her in her head. IF that WAS the 4th, it would mean that eventually she was brought on board to their side cause in her apartment Dead End she even brings us to the 4th as a way of us getting an in on her plans or as an offering? (Due to our fast progress), and then on multiple occasions speaks presumably to them. So is Ella ACTUALLY helping them or just PRETENDING so she can at the last second flip to the good side? Is she being forced by them and that's why she wants US to win against her in the end? But she also mentions in the apartment that she doesn't work for them, was that just because she was being watched by the 4th? There are times in that past look into Ella where throughout her "moral conversion" into what later becomes the Massacre, she questions to Christie whether or not humans are even worth the being alive in comparison to animals. Who knows, but know at the start of her journey she DID NOT want to do something, whatever resistance she did have seems to be gone or pushed deep down for the time being.

You make a fair point with the monsters. In my eyes, the Monsters are an alien race that assimilates or conquers those that they come into contact with, with the addition of once partially integrating themselves, they allow and or make vessels for their Lords (Apostles) to come down to bask in whatever Hell they make for them. IF that is true, perhaps the humans are a little TOO compatible with the monster trait because it's like you said, I see no way of them being able to influence a Level 5. I mean shit, most Superhumans SURPASS their monster by Level 2, while others do it accidentally make sense, I truly do wonder WHY some WILLINGLY infect, especially knowing that their spawn can get stronger and not have to follow them around anymore, I doubt they are unaware of this fact. Another thing is I have ZERO idea what the Apostles want, they arguably are the ONLY ones to be able to stand up to Level 5s, which would make my first argument pointless, and unlike the other mindless monsters, they seem to have individual goals to themselves rather than to the species as a whole. I guess we'll find out, as much as I hate humans though, I doubt with a high level of certainty that the monsters have the human race'd best interest at heart.



Post Edit: Another thing to note, the Arbiter/Eye/Origin go fuck yourself; seems to have a PERSONAL interest in US, not Ella. It didn't really even know her all too much, and at the time.ofnour possession, refers to her as the Apostle's chosen, not it's own. So whatever plans the Arbiter has for us may be COMPLETELY different than what Ella or even the Apostles have in store for us. Yet Ella is making it's hearts, so is she aware of the Arbiter or does she just know of it? Is that enough to make her whole ass Deryl plan just off that whim? She also refers to the Apostles as THE TOP, nothing stands above them, yet...we know the Arbiter does...This makes the Ella paradox even more of a fucking mystery.

 

[xhib]

This is a bit of a hard sell.

Alice calls the entity grandfather. Alice is the Ether's granddaughter. So the entity should be Ether.
The entity calls the Fairy it's wayward son. Apostles created monsterkind, so the Fairy can never be the son of an arbiter.
This means that this entity can never be more than an Apostle. So it's either the Sixth or something below it.

For your theory to be correct, someone must have made a mistake.

Space may be the name of Alice's power, although I doubt that it's the power of the Arbiter.

...you missed a paragraph. You know, the one that ends "I think the Ether is the Fifth Apostle." Either you didn't read it or you didn't address it, which is a shame because that was the point.

You thoroughly debunked "the Ether is an Arbiter" theory but I didn't think of that one. You did. There isn't a single mention of an arbiter in my post. Maybe take a look at that paragraph and then we can debate what I actually wrote and not where you assumed I was heading. Not going to lie, I was very fucking confused.

Quickly on the "Heir to Space" thing: If Space is simply the name of her power, "heir" feels like the wrong word. If you've inherited a fortune, you're no longer an heir to it. It's yours. It just makes more sense to me if Space is something she's yet to acquire and in-line to inherit.

Lastly, for those who travel at the speed of Light, time pretty much freezes. For the observer it would be too slow, but not for the Apostle himself. A photon doesn't experience time. The moment it's created, it also reaches it's destination, no matter how many light years it traveled.

There's still a hard limit to how far you can travel at light-speed. Beyond a certain point, space itself is expanding faster than light can travel and any light emitted today will never cross that divide. It's called the cosmic event horizon. If a light-speed traveller attempted that journey, it would be trapped between two receding galaxies unable to reach either.

Time dilation doesn't make much difference if the journey never ends.

I get the impression that the Ether is being formal when it speaks to Alice.
Descendant of the Sixth is describing her heritage, and Granddaughter of the Ether is describing her place in that heritage.
Heir to Space is describing the origin of her heritage.
It's all still pretty open to speculation at this point though. I'm sure we'll get to know more as the story progresses.
The next update has been described as more casual, but by meeting with the Blue Fairy and MC's dad there might be a decent amount of lore revealed soon.
The Blue Fairy at least should be able to give some counterpoints to the information we've learned from Valravyn, and since things have gotten pretty intense in the MC's life his dad might finally come clean about some of what happened to his mom.

Maybe you're right and the Ether is just overly formal and a little egotistical.

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...we'll find out eventually.

 

[necromater]

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Man. So I send this to my wife i tell her that i didn't know she had a student boy she is mad XD. I regret nothing

 

[foxz112x]

did the MC fight Deus or Alexis?
becoz I didn't get those scenes

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

did the MC fight Deus or Alexis?
becoz I didn't get those scenes

It's a Dead End scene you get with 25+ Corruption. You have to pick "Yes" when meeting with the Eye/Origin during your 3rd Evolution.

 

[Lyrical Artistry]

Although there isn't a tag, but does the game has pregnancy(optional) in it, by any chance?

 

[Gtdead]

...you missed a paragraph. You know, the one that ends "I think the Ether is the Fifth Apostle." Either you didn't read it or you didn't address it, which is a shame because that was the point.

You thoroughly debunked "the Ether is an Arbiter" theory but I didn't think of that one. You did. There isn't a single mention of an arbiter in my post. Maybe take a look at that paragraph and then we can debate what I actually wrote and not where you assumed I was heading. Not going to lie, I was very fucking confused.

Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should've been.

Alice calls the entity grandfather. Alice is the Ether's granddaughter. So the entity should be Ether.
The entity calls the Fairy it's wayward son.

At that point I thought the matter was closed, so I continued with the Arbiter stuff.


So let's make this as formal as possible.

For your theory to work, the following thing needs to be true:
A descendant of a Fifth can create a spawn that is the descendant of the Sixth. Or to generalize it even more, a descendant of any Apostle can create a spawn that is the descendant of it's twin.

This is the hard sell. I'm willing to overlook the MC getting both traits because he got infected directly by an Apostle and had an accident which left him scars that look extremely similar to the Eye who is the Arbiter/Origin. But for this to happen with a descendant's spawn basically makes any conversation on the matter completely pointless because then what's stopping any "bastard" monster that has 1% of some Apostle passing on the original trait? And what' stopping it from passing the original traits of a non twin pair, or even more than 2. By that logic, someone like Kenny could inherit the original Authority, Body and Darkness traits and probably the traits of the twins for a grand total of 6. There has to be a rule, although it's not clearly defined in game.

There is some talk from possessed MC about the "tainted" lineage. Perhaps it's relevant perhaps not, but I thought to throw it here in case someone else has made a connection in this matter.

Additionally, monsters can "read" who the MC's parent is, no matter if he got both traits. He is the son of either the Third or Fourth. Not both. So the "genealogical" tree should be respected. WIth these in mind, I claim that the following statement is true:

Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.

A)
The Entity says that Alice is Ether's grandaughter.
Alice calls the entity grandfather.
Result: Entity is Ether.

B)
Fairy is the ancestor to a descendant of the Sixth.
Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.
Result: Fairy is the descendant of the Sixth

C)
The Entity calls the Fairy his son
B Fairy is the descendant of the Sixth
Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.
Result: The Entity is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth

D)
A Entity is Ether.
C The Entity is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth
Result: Ether is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth.


At that point I think it's fair to assume that the Entity is in fact an Apostle, which means that Ether is in fact the Sixth and not a monster descendend from the Sixth.


And since (hopefully I didn't misrepresent you) you accept my argument that there is no Arbiter involved, then there is no reason to assume that Space is connected to both Fifth and Sixth. Technically I can't prove that Space is not the combintion of the 2 traits, but the only reason I'm mentioning this is

Space could be the Original Power unlocked by the traits of the Fifth and the Sixth!

and I will use Occam's Razor because it makes the most sense to me. If I can prove that the Fifth is not involved at all, either by himself or through the relation to his Arbiter, I don't need to theorize that Space is connected to both the traits.

 

[xhib]

Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should've been.

At that point I thought the matter was closed, so I continued with the Arbiter stuff.


So let's make this as formal as possible.

For your theory to work, the following thing needs to be true:
A descendant of a Fifth can create a spawn that is the descendant of the Sixth. Or to generalize it even more, a descendant of any Apostle can create a spawn that is the descendant of it's twin.

This is the hard sell. I'm willing to overlook the MC getting both traits because he got infected directly by an Apostle and had an accident which left him scars that look extremely similar to the Eye who is the Arbiter/Origin. But for this to happen with a descendant's spawn basically makes any conversation on the matter completely pointless because then what's stopping any "bastard" monster that has 1% of some Apostle passing on the original trait?

Additionally, monsters can "read" who the MC's parent is, no matter if he got both traits. He is the son of either the Third or Fourth. Not both. So the "genealogical" tree should be respected. WIth these in mind, I claim that the following statement is true:

Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.

A)
The Entity says that Alice is Ether's grandaughter.
Alice calls the entity grandfather.
Result: Entity is Ether.

B)
Fairy is the ancestor to a descendant of the Sixth.
Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.
Result: Fairy is the descendant of the Sixth

C)
The Entity calls the Fairy his son
B Fairy is the descendant of the Sixth
Axiom 1: An ancestor of a descendant of the Sixth is either a descendant of the Sixth or the Sixth himself.
Result: The Entity is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth

D)
A Entity is Ether.
C The Entity is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth
Result: Ether is either the Sixth or a descendant of the Sixth.


At that point I think it's fair to assume that the Entity is in fact an Apostle, which means that Ether is in fact the Sixth and not a monster descendend from the Sixth.


And since (hopefully I didn't misrepresent you) you accept my argument that there is no Arbiter involved, then there is no reason to assume that Space is connected to both Fifth and Sixth. Technically I can't prove that Space is not the combintion of the 2 traits, but the only reason I'm mentioning this is

and I will use Occam's Razor because it makes the most sense to me. If I can prove that the Fifth is not involved at all, either by himself or through the relation to his Arbiter, I don't need to theorize that Space is connected to both the traits.

There are four types of monsters. Infected, Natural Born, Variant and Uncategorised. We can probably take the latter out consideration.

Your logic only works if the Fairy is an Infected or a Variant, but not a Natural Born. We know monsters and even Apostles fuck. It's a porn game.

If the 5th Apostle mated with a monster of the Sixth's line, the Fairy would be a Descendant of the Sixth and a Son of the Fifth and that would make Alice a Descendant of the Sixth and a Grandson of the Fifth.

In that scenario, there should be a fairly good chance of the Fairy having two traits or at least carrying the potential recessively. Since Jake never showed any signs of having the 2nd's trait, I assumed you didn't need both traits to be active to be a potential inheritor. Ella seemed to be holding onto the hope that she could unlock a second trait through evolution, but it didn't pan out in her case. Whether Alice has better luck, who knows.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

So I fucking FINALLY completed my replay of the game, to revel in whatever details I can retain, this will cover everything AFTER Deryl's Evolution (in addition to Aglaecwif). I'm gonna try to use the spoiler sections so I'm not cluttering half a god damn page bear with me.

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That's about it on everything, god this was fucking long. I can't wait for the next update, bye unless you have questions; see you all around in the thread.

 

[necromater]

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Why risk your wife anger you say?

I'm drunk that's why XD

 

[DrakoGhoul]

So I fucking FINALLY completed my replay of the game, to revel in whatever details I can retain, this will cover everything AFTER Deryl's Evolution (in addition to Aglaecwif). I'm gonna try to use the spoiler sections so I'm not cluttering half a god damn page bear with me.

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That's about it on everything, god this was fucking long. I can't wait for the next update, bye unless you have questions; see you all around in the thread.

You forgot Nico was a fresh Level 5 as well. She reached Level 5 a bit after the MC evolved to Level 2. So only a few weeks before Ella did. That says more about Ella than Nico to be honest. Especially since Ella is the spawn of the 3rd Apostle while Nico is only the spawn of Hex.

Also, again. Nico couldn't capture Val because of his passive ability blocking her and everyone else from using their power on him. Val would run away if any physically strong character came close enough to him, like Lexi. That's on top of Xanthe wanting it alive. If it was a kill order, Nico would've never failed because someone else before her would've killed him.

Val is also the Spawn of the 7th, which gets overlooked. His passive ability would be extremely potent, with even HERO's prison chamber not being able to stop him from using his power. You know, the same prison that nullifies powers. I have no doubt that if Val was actually at full power, he would kill majority of HERO's Superhumans.

I have a post coming soon about why it's potentially a big deal that Ella is an Apostle Spawn compared to Nico when evolving to Level 5 soon. I'm just sorting out the info for it.

 

[necromater]

Of course the number Spawns are op. look Alice she can turn you into a food pill or a food mist XD. Michael not a perfect mach but he feels like godzilla XD. Jake a pussy but a really dangerous one when he Mans up. Ella not the alpha bitch but still an alpha bitch Lol . Raven boy almost dead but still a pain in the ass for the lvl 5. MC a mindfucker copycat. Tiff still needs her time to shine XD

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I've been sitting here for the past day and I thought about the power increase from Level 2 to Level 3 again. I don't think it's supposed to be a 200 power increase normally. It's likely supposed to be a 100 power increase but because the MC has both traits, his evolution gained an extra 100.

The reason why I think this is because immediately after evolving, he was able to beat Cole, according to the 3rd and 4th. Even with the evolution amp still going, it still shouldn't have been that easy to close the gap. Especially since Cole is Peak Level 3. That means the MC's power increase was massive compared to others.

Now let's look over the known Level 2 powers and compare the MC's growth. When he first reached Level 2, the MC grows to a minimum of 20 power points with his overall power being around mid 30s. Looking at Danica first, who's been a Superhuman for 2 years. She only had 24 Power as a Level 2. We don't know when she reached it but the MC has a 10 point gain over her after his. After her is Laurie. She reached level 2 a few weeks before she encountered Jake. Yet she only had 33 Power, I believe. Meanwhile, MC has around 40 to 50 during that time and 70 to 80(via horn) when he meets her in person. That growth rate is massive.

Now, this is where the real question begins. Was it because MC was a Dual Trait Spawn or because he was an Apostle Spawn? Jake's power points were also progressing fast and the MC wasn't able to close the power gap until after he defeated him and used the horn. It seems more likely that Apostle Spawns get a huge power increase as well. On top of them gaining power points faster. Jake's power isn't combat focus as well so he can increase it much faster than the MC who has to physically train. A bit of extra context to it, maybe?

If they do have an additional boost, then maybe the power increases look like this.

- 3rd Evolution(Everybody) - 100 PP

- 3rd Evolution(2nd Gen) - 125 PP

- 3rd Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 150 PP(50 extra for being an Apostle Spawn)

- 3rd Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 200 PP(another 50 extra for the 2nd trait)


When you think about it, the MC on his first evolution outpaced the Minyaks entire race since they cap at 31 Power. Before he evolved to Level 3, the MC nearly reached Leigong race cap at 150 Power max.

There's also another thing. Besides the rapid pace of power points gained, the MC capacity is also higher as well. I can't imagine Laurie ever gaining 100 Power without reaching Level 3 first. I feel like regular superhumans have a power cap at Level 2 and lower. Meanwhile the MC, even when he peaked, was able to increase it higher than the known Level 2's with only Jake being able to keep pace with him.

Now this is purely speculative but let's put some potential numbers to Level 4 and 5 to see the growth rate. Since the MC got 20 power points from Evolution Level 2 and 200 from Level 3. We can guess that Level 4 is a 2000 Power increase for him, with Level 5 being either 20,000 or higher. Unless WW lowers it a bit, dropping it to baseline 200 PP(400 for MC) increase on 4th for everyone and 500 on 5th. To keep the numbers lower for tracking sake.

So it would be:

- 4th Evolution (Everybody) - 200 PP

- 4th Evolution(2nd Gen) - 250 PP

- 4th Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 300 PP(100 PP gain over normal Superhumans)

- 4th Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 400 PP(Extra 100 from having both traits)

Level 5 would be harder because the increase is huge and there's no tells what the amplifier could be for Apostle Spawns and a Dual Traits Spawn like the MC. Even with 500 being the baseline, they could potentially jump a thousand points ahead. Meaning someone like Ella could have more power points than someone like Clark or Nico on their 5th Evolution.

That is all from me, for now. It's been on my mind for months, since the MC and Jake evolved to level 2. I figured I would put it out there now since it was back on my mind again. 3rd Evolution giving me more thoughts about it about it and all. I actually sort of did a similar post like this but it was about the effects of artificial evolution vs pure.

 

[necromater]

Decided to finally get around to posting here. Tried the game for the fetish but goddamn did I stay for the story. WeirdWorld, the writing is gorgeous. Music fits very well too.

Not sure if I'm counted as a dime a dozen praiser but it's just that damn good.

Also did a blind try and gotta say... Cole is an ass. He gonna die for Laurie man and then I search through the thread... She can goddamn live. But I gotta go through the whole thing again to also get a good fight with Valvarn. Gotta fight that Murder of Crows Knight full on without help because wow, it was intense.

Lol. This game is a honey trap luring inocent perverts with tentacle and genderbender fuckery even when there are only a few of those scenes XD. Only to make them fall into a pit with a hell of a good story with great characters (minus Jared and cole. suck a bag of dicks gonna murder your sorry ass first chance i get ) nice worldbuilding, a steady grow in quality. So yeah kind of glad i fell on this trap.

 

[TerminusPrime]

I've been sitting here for the past day and I thought about the power increase from Level 2 to Level 3 again. I don't think it's supposed to be a 200 power increase normally. It's likely supposed to be a 100 power increase but because the MC has both traits, his evolution gained an extra 100.

The reason why I think this is because immediately after evolving, he was able to beat Cole, according to the 3rd and 4th. Even with the evolution amp still going, it still shouldn't have been that easy to close the gap. Especially since Cole is Peak Level 3. That means the MC's power increase was massive compared to others.

Now let's look over the known Level 2 powers and compare the MC's growth. When he first reached Level 2, the MC grows to a minimum of 20 power points with his overall power being around mid 30s. Looking at Danica first, who's been a Superhuman for 2 years. She only had 24 Power as a Level 2. We don't know when she reached it but the MC has a 10 point gain over her after his. After her is Laurie. She reached level 2 a few weeks before she encountered Jake. Yet she only had 33 Power, I believe. Meanwhile, MC has around 40 to 50 during that time and 70 to 80(via horn) when he meets her in person. That growth rate is massive.

Now, this is where the real question begins. Was it because MC was a Dual Trait Spawn or because he was an Apostle Spawn? Jake's power points were also progressing fast and the MC wasn't able to close the power gap until after he defeated him and used the horn. It seems more likely that Apostle Spawns get a huge power increase as well. On top of them gaining power points faster. Jake's power isn't combat focus as well so he can increase it much faster than the MC who has to physically train. A bit of extra context to it, maybe?

If they do have an additional boost, then maybe the power increases look like this.

- 3rd Evolution(Everybody) - 100 PP

- 3rd Evolution(2nd Gen) - 125 PP

- 3rd Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 150 PP(50 extra for being an Apostle Spawn)

- 3rd Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 200 PP(another 50 extra for the 2nd trait)


When you think about it, the MC on his first evolution outpaced the Minyaks entire race since they cap at 31 Power. Before he evolved to Level 3, the MC nearly reached Leigong race cap at 150 Power max.

There's also another thing. Besides the rapid pace of power points gained, the MC capacity is also higher as well. I can't imagine Laurie ever gaining 100 Power without reaching Level 3 first. I feel like regular superhumans have a power cap at Level 2 and lower. Meanwhile the MC, even when he peaked, was able to increase it higher than the known Level 2's with only Jake being able to keep pace with him.

Now this is purely speculative but let's put some potential numbers to Level 4 and 5 to see the growth rate. Since the MC got 20 power points from Evolution Level 2 and 200 from Level 3. We can guess that Level 4 is a 2000 Power increase for him, with Level 5 being either 20,000 or higher. Unless WW lowers it a bit, dropping it to baseline 200 PP(400 for MC) increase on 4th for everyone and 500 on 5th. To keep the numbers lower for tracking sake.

So it would be:

- 4th Evolution (Everybody) - 200 PP

- 4th Evolution(2nd Gen) - 250 PP

- 4th Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 300 PP(100 PP gain over normal Superhumans)

- 4th Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 400 PP(Extra 100 from having both traits)

Level 5 would be harder because the increase is huge and there's no tells what the amplifier could be for Apostle Spawns and a Dual Traits Spawn like the MC. Even with 500 being the baseline, they could potentially jump a thousand points ahead. Meaning someone like Ella could have more power points than someone like Clark or Nico on their 5th Evolution.

That is all from me, for now. It's been on my mind for months, since the MC and Jake evolved to level 2. I figured I would put it out there now since it was back on my mind again. 3rd Evolution giving me more thoughts about it about it and all. I actually sort of did a similar post like this but it was about the effects of artificial evolution vs pure.

It was mentioned that Alice as a 2nd generation spawn had more power than any level 1 Superhuman should have been able to have and it was attributed to her having a nearly perfect match with her progenitor.
During the very first dead end of the game it's mentioned by Clark and Alexis that the MC has an insane ability for regeneration, enough that they couldn't kill him while they were level 4 and that he must be a spawn of an S-tier monster.
They had to bring in level 5 Malik to finally put him down.
I think the compatibility with the parent monster is likely the most important factor but the power level of the parent also contributes strongly. It would surely help to be the spawn of the apostles, but that could be overcome by compatibility.
I think in the case of the MC, Alice and Jake their combination of having an S-tier parent and some of the best compatibilities with their parents that they'll be far ahead of other superhumans on the same evolution level.

 

[mcmng]

I've been sitting here for the past day and I thought about the power increase from Level 2 to Level 3 again. I don't think it's supposed to be a 200 power increase normally. It's likely supposed to be a 100 power increase but because the MC has both traits, his evolution gained an extra 100.

The reason why I think this is because immediately after evolving, he was able to beat Cole, according to the 3rd and 4th. Even with the evolution amp still going, it still shouldn't have been that easy to close the gap. Especially since Cole is Peak Level 3. That means the MC's power increase was massive compared to others.

Now let's look over the known Level 2 powers and compare the MC's growth. When he first reached Level 2, the MC grows to a minimum of 20 power points with his overall power being around mid 30s. Looking at Danica first, who's been a Superhuman for 2 years. She only had 24 Power as a Level 2. We don't know when she reached it but the MC has a 10 point gain over her after his. After her is Laurie. She reached level 2 a few weeks before she encountered Jake. Yet she only had 33 Power, I believe. Meanwhile, MC has around 40 to 50 during that time and 70 to 80(via horn) when he meets her in person. That growth rate is massive.

Now, this is where the real question begins. Was it because MC was a Dual Trait Spawn or because he was an Apostle Spawn? Jake's power points were also progressing fast and the MC wasn't able to close the power gap until after he defeated him and used the horn. It seems more likely that Apostle Spawns get a huge power increase as well. On top of them gaining power points faster. Jake's power isn't combat focus as well so he can increase it much faster than the MC who has to physically train. A bit of extra context to it, maybe?

If they do have an additional boost, then maybe the power increases look like this.

- 3rd Evolution(Everybody) - 100 PP

- 3rd Evolution(2nd Gen) - 125 PP

- 3rd Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 150 PP(50 extra for being an Apostle Spawn)

- 3rd Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 200 PP(another 50 extra for the 2nd trait)


When you think about it, the MC on his first evolution outpaced the Minyaks entire race since they cap at 31 Power. Before he evolved to Level 3, the MC nearly reached Leigong race cap at 150 Power max.

There's also another thing. Besides the rapid pace of power points gained, the MC capacity is also higher as well. I can't imagine Laurie ever gaining 100 Power without reaching Level 3 first. I feel like regular superhumans have a power cap at Level 2 and lower. Meanwhile the MC, even when he peaked, was able to increase it higher than the known Level 2's with only Jake being able to keep pace with him.

Now this is purely speculative but let's put some potential numbers to Level 4 and 5 to see the growth rate. Since the MC got 20 power points from Evolution Level 2 and 200 from Level 3. We can guess that Level 4 is a 2000 Power increase for him, with Level 5 being either 20,000 or higher. Unless WW lowers it a bit, dropping it to baseline 200 PP(400 for MC) increase on 4th for everyone and 500 on 5th. To keep the numbers lower for tracking sake.

So it would be:

- 4th Evolution (Everybody) - 200 PP

- 4th Evolution(2nd Gen) - 250 PP

- 4th Evolution(Apostle Spawn) - 300 PP(100 PP gain over normal Superhumans)

- 4th Evolution(Spawn with Both Traits) - 400 PP(Extra 100 from having both traits)

Level 5 would be harder because the increase is huge and there's no tells what the amplifier could be for Apostle Spawns and a Dual Traits Spawn like the MC. Even with 500 being the baseline, they could potentially jump a thousand points ahead. Meaning someone like Ella could have more power points than someone like Clark or Nico on their 5th Evolution.

That is all from me, for now. It's been on my mind for months, since the MC and Jake evolved to level 2. I figured I would put it out there now since it was back on my mind again. 3rd Evolution giving me more thoughts about it about it and all. I actually sort of did a similar post like this but it was about the effects of artificial evolution vs pure.

so regular superhumans = small PP; apostle spawn = massive PP.
Math checks out

 

[DrakoGhoul]

It was mentioned that Alice as a 2nd generation spawn had more power than any level 1 Superhuman should have been able to have and it was attributed to her having a nearly perfect match with her progenitor.
During the very first dead end of the game it's mentioned by Clark and Alexis that the MC has an insane ability for regeneration, enough that they couldn't kill him while they were level 4 and that he must be a spawn of an S-tier monster.
They had to bring in level 5 Malik to finally put him down.
I think the compatibility with the parent monster is likely the most important factor but the power level of the parent also contributes strongly. It would surely help to be the spawn of the apostles, but that could be overcome by compatibility.
I think in the case of the MC, Alice and Jake their combination of having an S-tier parent and some of the best compatibilities with their parents that they'll be far ahead of other superhumans on the same evolution level.

Possibly. You know, I still have never got that Dead End. I should redownload the game and do it since it's at the start.

so regular superhumans = small PP; apostle spawn = massive PP.
Math checks out

Basically. Which is why Cole ran away. Our big PP scared him and he didn't want to become our victim.

 

[TerminusPrime]

Possibly. You know, I still have never got that Dead End. I should redownload the game and do it since it's at the start.


Basically. Which is why Cole ran away. Our big PP scared him and he didn't want to become our victim.

It's an interesting dead end and only a few minutes into the game if you fast forward through the dialog.
It shows that a Superhuman's power, or at least the MC's power, can take over the superhuman temporarily without them permanently monsterifying.
It's also the first time the MC's tail manifests in game, long before we learn more about it during the MC's evolution.
It shows that much of the content later in the game was already thought about even at the very start of it's development.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

It's an interesting dead end and only a few minutes into the game if you fast forward through the dialog.
It shows that a Superhuman's power, or at least the MC's power, can take over the superhuman temporarily without them permanently monsterifying.
It's also the first time the MC's tail manifests in game, long before we learn more about it during the MC's evolution.
It shows that much of the content later in the game was already thought about even at the very start of it's development.

Yep. Like how the dead end with the 7th was actually a huge hint for the longest time and now we know why it had a singular glowing light eye. It being the twin of the 8th, who's all but confirmed to be Light.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Alright, now that I've seen that Dead End, that was a lot of info. Especially, with it revealing HERO, Clark, Lexi and Malik super early into the game. The real kicker here is that I've never seen the fight but guessed accurately how a fight between Lexi and the MC would go in the past. Which is similar to what happened here. Though, the MC only had 15 Power there with Lexi and Clark being Level 4. While I was referring to Level 2 MC vs Level 5 Lexi. Also, Lexi was roasting the hell out of Clark lol.

This dead end is also a bit inconsistent since Clark, at level 5, one shots and instantly kills the MC, at level 2. The reason why this is odd because it's said Level 4 Clark and Lexi ran out of power trying to kill a Level 1 MC that only had 15 PP. Yet, Level 5 Clark, casually, kills the MC when his regen is way stronger than on that dead end. He also has like 30 more power points than that dead end.

Another thing I found interesting was that the MC was able to numb the pain of Lexi and Clark's attacks, instinctually. We know current MC, before Level 3, couldn't do this but we do know someone who could. That would be Ella. Xanthe also asked the MC whether he could do that but the MC said he couldn't. I forgot the exact thing that was required for it, but this proves the MC can do that and likely the other things Xanthe asked about. Even without getting them from Ella.