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What are you on about? Even without HERO the world was already at that point (basically).
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I think he's trying to say H.E.R.O doesn't help the situation in that regard. We know they MEAN well in the LONG run. But as of right now have only terrified the majority of the populace and even forces them to accept the new changes, especially if we look at Bernhardt's views. Shit even if you look at it through the MC's eyes they practically have the SUPREME MINISTER in their pocket, be it by power (Lvl 5s) or fear (Monsters & Lvl 5s). For an Org that DIDN'T want to get political they sure did get political. Be it the human v superhuman Mall incident, forcing their unwilling Superhumans into combat, The Diamond War rescue priorities, eugenics, or even tracing their founders back to the side they chose during the Unification War.
You're right though even without H.E.R.O it's still bad, look how fast they were on us at the Mall regardless if we were no Corruption Route, how much they wanted to down play the monster attacks, etc.
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Fear not Ladies and Gentlemen, Lady Shadow has been hard at work finding the traitors and she even had a tag along this time...Deputy necromater
PapaSyther has fully woken up from the hell that was work heheh
PapaSyther has fully woken up from the hell that was work heheh
I mean if we want to go by your ridiculous assertion then ideally the piece of trash is tossed into the dustbin of history where it and all its foul cousins should rot.
Also it's straight up a totalitarian world government no need for the "quotations"
It's a organization in the vein of the Inquisition of 40k, Precrime in Minority Report or the Titans in UC Gundam if you want a myriad of examples.
Above board and essentially coopting the government, while the trash heap of a civilization was on course for what it lead to. it's essentially an actual antagonist to combat(Convenient) while a civilization is a far more abstract thing.
Ideally they both die though if you want my two cents it's just killing a civilization is a lot harder than a few hundred entitled would be despots
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Now from what I'm gathering here...you want both to die, the current world government and HERO.
That just means chaos and on the global level.
HERO dying won't have that great of an impact (well...other than humanity/superhumans losing those who stood the best chance at saving everyone's arses despite their totalitarian stance and ultimately getting their shit kicked in by monsters).
But the downfall of the world government just ensures that the end times come far much sooner. Does it suck that they are totalitarian cuntbags? Yeah.
If we're comparing other universes look no further than Starship troopers...like without that evil totalitarian government that rules over the human race well...humanity would be fucked in the ass long dick style by the bug menace.
But at the end of the day a 'humane' and 'ideal' government can't (or rather would take too long) unify the entire world. The current world government despite the negative drawbacks it may have it's still better than a divided world like we have in real life...at least if we're talking bout the threat(s) humanity and superhumans are going to face very soon.
But I mean shit...lets fucking throw the whole world into anarchy cause fuck totalitarians mannnnn
I mean whats the worse that could happen? A buncha monsters clappin everyone's shit in? Nah won't happen.
Sorry I'm not used to regular discussion. I'm more of a paranoid schizo raving about his love for Lady Shadow so I'm not used to talkin normie speech....the power of Shadow does that to you unfortunately but goddamn is it worth it
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Yep, they can share a grave in hell together.
Rather then suppression, insurrection and mass slaughter that already occurs? The new world system has suitably failed and is only persisting currently I'd argue due to the efforts of HERO, they put down that oh so recent revolution after all.
This is fairly valid, their talent pool vanishing would have a noticeable impact on the ecology would likely result in a very different world to what we have currently...if we hadn't already learned that they can be co-opted, have servitude enforced upon them and just 'learn to live and let live'. A new balance of power would have to be crafted but its hardly implausible given that it all has happened before.
The collapse of the prior regime always leads to chaos, even in the case of successful revolution the pieces always need to be put back together, even if you end up trading a king for an absolute dictator.
But eventually civilization will rise once again because absence of authority does not mean absence of power and nature by its very heh nature abhors vacuums.
I actually used those examples for a very specific reasoning I will now outline.
Precime was set up to essentially prevent murder, that is a positive and overall benefit for society but it was based off of poorly understood pseudo science and imprisoned hundreds of people who technically hadn't committed a crime yet.
Yes I drew the parallels for obvious reasons.The Titans oh boy, where to start with those mass murdering, military coopting, coup staging loons. Alrighty they were thrown together to basically ensure a large scale act of terrorism was not allowed to be repeated, understandable the prior act devastated global food supplies, killed millions, so on so forth. Until you learn that their leadership essentially allowed it to occur to allow their own seizure of political and military authority across the whole of human civilization.
They rode said civilization roughshod until they faced their end at the conclusion of you could probably guess~ A civil war prompted by their own slaughter of millions of civilians, very similar to the incident they were formed to prevent amusingly enough.
Here we have the tough one the Inquisition, unlimited authority for its leading body and organization as a whole, suppression of information, genocide and ethnical cleansing, all the worst traits, corruptions and vices you could attribute to unlimited authority over a civilization and they've probably done it at least once.
Closing on this topic branch though, the world gov reminding me of all these entities is not a point in its favor.
This ground is debatable, especially given the sins of the father that might be attached to this particular government if the casual remarks Dexter throws around are actually true. Regardless though I would disagree on it mattering over much if humanity has this little tinpot dictatorship or no, the plain truth is the war while involving baseline humanity cannot be fought by them.
So the state of their little global nation state likewise probably won't effect much, especially if HERO was gone from the picture.
The whims of an insane despot were apparently enough to unite it a few decades back if you go by setting. *shrug*
Chances are that has a decent chance whether or not HERO or World Gov exists if the apparent power discrepancy between opponents is anything to go by.
To put it another way. It probably won't hurt!
I still find the whole dog thing weird if I am being real.
That said no biggie to me, I wasn't expecting this much commentary on my own opinions in relation to the game but actually getting a conversation out of it turned out to be pretty pleasant.
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It is possible HERO played a hand in that situation but without concrete evidence of such we can't just assume HERO was behind every major victory that the world government has.
It is unfortunate but suppressing those who can challenge the ruling regime is necessary especially since HERO has their little timelord...let's pretend Deus saw the potential outcome of a revolutionary victory...well we can only imagine shit wouldn't go so well for humanity and the current government is the better option for them and humanity as whole.
Of course...eventually civilization will rise again but the issue here is 'time'
It took a great number of years for civilization (in Europe) to rise again after the collapse of the Roman Empire and that was just a country that ruled over a large portion of Europe...now imagine that but on a grander scale...you know world wide.
Time is the issue because you see the Romans didn't have to fight monsters who will wipe humanity out. We as the player know that if humanity wants a fighting chance than the world government and HERO are the best options to have a chance at survival.
This government is a well..hard requirement if it wasn't then HERO would of gotten rid of it long ago by...I mean if we go by your take they may have had a hand in the recent revolution being squashed so if they really wanted to they could of just sat around and allowed that shit to take down the world govt.
But calling them completely useless is well wrong. With how weapons development is going humanity (the world govt) has a solid chance of combating low to mid level monsters (we learn about the weapons development from Jake's misadventures and the SIN base...from what I remember SIN stole some weapons) which means the world government can at least 'stave' off the threat that is coming which means they make for an excellent cannon fodder for HERO but of course they'd ultimately lose without HERO and this is undeniable...well unless they can develop a weapon strong enough to deal with higher level monsters (we gotta wait and see for that) but even then there are greater threats than those high level monsters which even HERO might not be able to contend with (if Arb in MC's head is anything to go by).
It would most definitely hurt HERO in the long run if humanity is without its world government...simply because despite all that HERO can do they lack the manpower to try and stabilize humanity and combat the oncoming threat at the same time so keeping the govt around is the best choice.
I just...I just really...really wanna fuck the dog.
I mean look at 'er man...she got everything I need fr fr.
Glory to Shadow! Glory to her visage! Glory to everything she is!
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Your fate shall be sealed if you step in the way of the dogclappers.
It true that you double cheeked up necromater?
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1. Well, situation become so dire, so you just can't hide it under the rag anymore
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2.HERO have World Government in their pocket threw all those 80+ years since Unification War. If they really want to do so - they could come into power at any point of time, but they did not do so. More then that - HERO more comfortable operating from the shadows. For them to come in public is not because they want so, but because they need play open now
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3.Well, this is war for you. War is not some Hollywood film where nobody from "good guy's" die and everything is perfect in the end. War means losses. Big casualties. Especially when we speak about super human\monster fighting. Consider how many high lvl monsters were there - 20000 dead is not a big number of casualties.
Question is - could Government or anybody else deal with situation better then HERO? Answer is - they cant. Saving super human's as priority is a logical choice - they are the ones who take bulk of the fight, while normal human soldiers can't even scratch half of the monster roster (from B rank and higher...or even C)
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Death it is then....
I wonder if the Lady Shadow would like to fuck on top of the corpse of someone whom tried to stop her devout...
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Well, MC live pretty common and peacefull live before he become super Human. Nobody feel oppressed or live in fear (before information about monsters and super humans leak out). He live in modern day city instead of something like North Korea and everything was good (thanks to the HERO). So i miss your point here.
So you OK with billions of people will die in the process for your stupid idea of ultimate freedom ? Also , why do you think this "new balance of power" would be any better then current one? I mean, humanity find itself in deep ass surrounded by post-apocalyptic ruins of cities, but i get that you dont care about this at all
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Listen, you guys went completely off script in here. It's suppose to be Waifus Wars after the theory discussion not political and faction wars god dammit!
That said, if HERO ever died out or stopped hunting monsters completely, the world would end. Humanity would be enslaved and converted to monsters while the survivors go extinct in months. You have to realize that there's currently only 13 known Level 5 Superhumans on the planet. 12 of which are under HERO. If they disappeared, A-Class Monsters would annihilate the entire planet and wouldn't be stopped. No matter how many nukes they sent at them. Even if humans succeeded somehow, they bathed the entire planet in radiation and turned it into a nuclear wasteland just to kill one of them. What are they going to do about the waves of C-Class, B-Class and another A-Rank monster that came after?
You don't have to like HERO or their members but you definitely have to acknowledge that they're the only group out there actually trying to prevent the extinction of humanity. So if some of you want to destroy all of HERO, I would love to hear how you're going to prevent the monster threat by yourself. It's easy to say you'll crush this group but what are you going to do about the overall problem? If your answer is to let HERO do it first, then you have proved that you're truly incapable of actually doing anything and that HERO is ultimately right.
Without Deus or Zack, you'll never be able to find out where these attacks are going to happen. Without Nico, you won't be able to get there in time. Without the 5 Captains actively hunting them nonstop, the stronger monsters will group up more and take root in populated areas. Finally, without Xanthe, you lose out completely on the advanced weaponry and slew of knowledge about all of these monsters. This includes the evolution serum and power boosters as well. Another Level 5 will probably never come in existence and as such, humanity would have no way to stop the monsters with just Level 1 and Level 2 superhumans.
A quick reminder as well:
C-Class = 2nd Evolution
B-Class = 3rd to 4th Evolution
A-Class = 4th to 5th Evolution
S-Class = 5th Evolution only
Beyond S = Apostles = Everyone screwed
Humanity and their weaponry(excluding humanity ending nukes, of course) caps at C-Class threats... So yeah...
That said, if HERO ever died out or stopped hunting monsters completely, the world would end. Humanity would be enslaved and converted to monsters while the survivors go extinct in months. You have to realize that there's currently only 13 known Level 5 Superhumans on the planet. 12 of which are under HERO. If they disappeared, A-Class Monsters would annihilate the entire planet and wouldn't be stopped. No matter how many nukes they sent at them. Even if humans succeeded somehow, they bathed the entire planet in radiation and turned it into a nuclear wasteland just to kill one of them. What are they going to do about the waves of C-Class, B-Class and another A-Rank monster that came after?
You don't have to like HERO or their members but you definitely have to acknowledge that they're the only group out there actually trying to prevent the extinction of humanity. So if some of you want to destroy all of HERO, I would love to hear how you're going to prevent the monster threat by yourself. It's easy to say you'll crush this group but what are you going to do about the overall problem? If your answer is to let HERO do it first, then you have proved that you're truly incapable of actually doing anything and that HERO is ultimately right.
Without Deus or Zack, you'll never be able to find out where these attacks are going to happen. Without Nico, you won't be able to get there in time. Without the 5 Captains actively hunting them nonstop, the stronger monsters will group up more and take root in populated areas. Finally, without Xanthe, you lose out completely on the advanced weaponry and slew of knowledge about all of these monsters. This includes the evolution serum and power boosters as well. Another Level 5 will probably never come in existence and as such, humanity would have no way to stop the monsters with just Level 1 and Level 2 superhumans.
A quick reminder as well:
C-Class = 2nd Evolution
B-Class = 3rd to 4th Evolution
A-Class = 4th to 5th Evolution
S-Class = 5th Evolution only
Beyond S = Apostles = Everyone screwed
Humanity and their weaponry(excluding humanity ending nukes, of course) caps at C-Class threats... So yeah...