VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[ItzSyther]

This is a great time to explain the Dogclapper pantheon and its structure:

The one above all: This is where Mommy 4th sits and is above all others in the pantheon overlooking her children to ensure all is good.
Lady Shadow: Second in the hierarchy and devoted truthsayer to Mommy 4th, she is the head of our religion.
The Hiarchs: Third in position in the pantheon. These are typically Waifu who are very beloved by the dogclappers and represent something (such as Innocence in Mia's case).
The Lowarchs: Fourth in position in the pantheon...these are typically new Waifus who have yet to earn good grace among the clappers yet.
BETA BITCHES: The weak...the pitiful...lower than dirt itself. They are personal slaves to Lady Shadow.

 

[ProgessiveDetailed]

I have a feeling this update is going to take a while so to pass the time lets hear about all of your favorite and least favorite fight scenes in the game.

Most favorite? : Definitely the fight against jake
least favorite? : against the monster that was hunting angelica

 

[Lord Kentus]

Huh, too bad for that court they didn't have anyone that could alter reality as they needed and just erased Napoleon eh? Or were nigh invulnerable because they were evolved way beyond Napoleon and his minions so that nothing he did could actually hurt them...

I guess? You could say the same for anyone in the range of said power scaling, folks with the very powers you espouse as some grand threat have been humbled by those who lack any sort of supernatural ability. Blame DC and Marvel for my world view of thinking anyone and everything is beatable by basically approach and stratagem alone.

Punisher beat Dr Strange for example, a powerless non mutant, non metahuman, non whatever plain ol human beat someone who can shift reality, alter timelines and change fundamental rules of existence. Batman has survived and even beat down Darksied, I can list a couple dozen examples of this and even then this universe seems operate on similar enough principle where you can do a supposedly on paper uneven match up and be surprised by the result.

So their presence on the board doesn't change probably as much you'd think if you can account for them and their shenanigans. So Napoleon returning from exile I think is still an apt example.

 

[ItzSyther]

I guess? You could say the same for anyone in the range of said power scaling, folks with the very powers you espouse as some grand threat have been humbled by those who lack any sort of supernatural ability. Blame DC and Marvel for my world view of thinking anyone and everything is beatable by basically approach and stratagem alone.

Punisher beat Dr Strange for example, a powerless non mutant, non metahuman, non whatever plain ol human beat someone who can shift reality, alter timelines and change fundamental rules of existence. Batman has survived and even beat down Darksied, I can list a couple dozen examples of this and even then this universe seems operate on similar enough principle where you can do a supposedly on paper uneven match up and be surprised by the result.

So their presence on the board doesn't change probably as much you'd think if you can account for them and their shenanigans. So Napoleon returning from exile I think is still an apt example.

Not the greatest example you could of used ngl.

Now its been a while since I last hopped into my French history book but I could of swore ol Napoleon was beloved by the people hence why he achieved what he did.

But at any rate for the DC comparison is just silly where the power balance can shift however the writer pleases it for their story.

I recall there being a DC comic where Batman got his ass handed to him by Bane, a character far weaker to Darkseid (and an example of how powerscale changes dependin on the writer or some plot armor fuckery. I believe that was the iconic Batman back break comic).


So saying Batman did this or that doesnt really matter since he has been beaten before by lesser enemies (or greater) just depends on the comic/continuity.
^The same goes for ANY other comic book characters btw.

 

[RetrabDeLaRetrabo]

Wait... when y'all refer to dogclappers you actually mean...

 

[ItzSyther]

Wait... when y'all refer to dogclappers you actually mean...

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We wanna bang Lady Shadow the best girl.

She is so perfect...that granny dogussy needs to be clapped!

Come brother join us!

We shall welcome you with open arms so says I the Grand Prophet of Shadow.

 

[Lord Kentus]

But at any rate for the DC comparison is just silly where the power balance can shift however the writer pleases it for their story.

Actually it serves my point effectively just because as you wrote power scaling is a narrative tool and nothing else.

It's an effective counter to the whole: But they can alter time and space and just instantly counter you though!

Put even more simply, nothing cannot be overcome with the proper approach, the proper strategy.

Also Napoleon was mixed reputation post exile because of the years of war and economic impact from the failed continental system to put it rather simply but more importantly you know who he was still popular with?

The army that the restored bourbon monarchy sent to stop who were in the midst of their own unrelated but very unpopular military reform, Napoleon's timing was great.

He was beloved by the veterans, who had reason to dislike or even hate his replacements.

 

[ItzSyther]

Actually it serves my point effectively just because as you wrote power scaling is a narrative tool and nothing else.

It's an effective counter to the whole: But they can alter time and space and just instantly counter you though!

Put even more simply, nothing cannot be overcome with the proper approach, the proper strategy.

Also Napoleon was mixed reputation post exile because of the years of war and economic impact from the failed continental system to put it rather simply but more importantly you know who he was still popular with?

The army that the restored bourbon monarchy sent to stop who were in the midst of their own unrelated but very unpopular military reform, Napoleon's timing was great.

He was beloved by the veterans, who had reason to dislike or even hate his replacements.

There is a hard difference here though.

The world of Superhuman is defined by levels. NEVER at any point will you see a level 1 triumph over a level 5 even with all the strategy and approach.

That level 1 will die a terrible death, the power scaling is definite in this universe...because u know....its a game.

They could be a time lord and still lose simply because they lack the experience and power to challenge one.

 

[ProgessiveDetailed]

Actually it serves my point effectively just because as you wrote power scaling is a narrative tool and nothing else.

he specified DC uses a wacky power scaling not a narrative tool.

 

[ItzSyther]

he specified DC uses a wacky power scaling not a narrative tool.

Yeah, I get that DC and Superhuman are similar in the regards to well...powers and the like but ultimately the lore and bones that make this game are set in stone.

Level 1 cant beat level 5 as I said prior, its just how it is even with Batman levels of prep.

Actually it serves my point effectively just because as you wrote power scaling is a narrative tool and nothing else.

It's an effective counter to the whole: But they can alter time and space and just instantly counter you though!

Its not really an effective counter because as I said before this is a game. Its not a narrative tool here...Ella baby level 5 lost to experienced level 5s despite throughout the game we saw her as basically unbeatable but in reality to game lore/rules she got dominated.

The same way she dominated Tree boi despite his power being akin to a level 5 he wasnt a true level 5 and got squashed...er well turned into a tree.

Ella even comments on the fact treeboi neglected his training which is something thing the game established superhumans have to do if they want to be stronger.

 

[Lord Kentus]

he specified DC uses a wacky power scaling not a narrative tool.

Power scaling itself is a narrative tool instrinic to every system with powers from comics to d&d, it goes by many names, pp, ap, levels, cr, etc but point is it exists in this setting and therefore the point I made applies.

Put more simply the existence of said system in game has already been stated to not be the be all and end of potential or ability. Just rough threshold of strength with wide gulfs between.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Level 1 cant beat level 5 as I said prior, its just how it is even with Batman levels of prep.

I'm actually uncertain given that power negation and even outright neutralization tech has already been unveiled in game.

To unveil it and bring a superior down to your threshold of being able to defeat? A stretch sure but so was Punisher kneecapping the strongest magic user on earth.

To that end I could foresee a battlefield designed to destroy a superior opponent if you took the proper precautions and used the right gear, would it be difficult? Sure but impossible I doubt it. I'm plainly willing to disagree with Ella here.

My ultimate point put succinctly.

Level is a good measure for strength but it by measure does little to take into account all relevant facts, though admittedly at this point this is a scenario designed to kill someone stronger than you yourself but given it opened on the fragrantly false in my view notion that reality altering tech is somehow an unconquerable foe.

I'm fine with the slight topic shift.

 

[ProgessiveDetailed]

I'm actually uncertain given that power negation and even outright neutralization tech has already been unveiled in game.

To unveil it and bring a superior down to your threshold of being able to defeat? A stretch sure but so was Punisher kneecapping the strongest magic user on earth.

To that end I could foresee a battlefield designed to destroy a superior opponent if you took the proper precautions and used the right gear, would it be difficult? Sure but impossible I doubt it. I'm plainly willing to disagree with Ella here.

My ultimate point put succinctly.

Level is a good measure for strength but it by measure does little to take into account all relevant facts, though admittedly at this point this is a scenario designed to kill someone stronger than you yourself but given it opened on the fragrantly false in my view notion that reality altering tech is somehow an unconquerable foe.

I'm fine with the slight topic shift.

power negation works until you fight any monster with power negation

 

[ItzSyther]

I'm actually uncertain given that power negation and even outright neutralization tech has already been unveiled in game.

To unveil it and bring a superior down to your threshold of being able to defeat? A stretch sure but so was Punisher kneecapping the strongest magic user on earth.

To that end I could foresee a battlefield designed to destroy a superior opponent if you took the proper precautions and used the right gear, would it be difficult? Sure but impossible I doubt it. I'm plainly willing to disagree with Ella here.

My ultimate point put succinctly.

Level is a good measure for strength but it by measure does little to take into account all relevant facts, though admittedly at this point this is a scenario designed to kill someone stronger than you yourself but given it opened on the fragrantly false in my view notion that reality altering tech is somehow an unconquerable foe.

I'm fine with the slight topic shift.

Eh ultimately it matters not.

We wont be seeing any scenario where a level 1 challenges a level 5 the nearest we got was Jake who was planning to weaponize each sector to presumably fight Ella (and later on HERO) but that plan would of failed and even he says so when u encounter him at HERO for the first time.

Ignoring out of universe examples (DC/Marvel) the universe of Superhuman is consistent with its power scaling unlike the comparisons you've made.

It all relies upon 2 factors: Level, Experience.

Im just going to throw a fight out there:

Klaus vs MC

its undeniable that Klaus has more experience although they (MC and him) are on the same level and if we exclude Alice from the equation chances are MC would have lost which we see via bad end where MC doesnt help her and hell even if we include alice all it takes is for her to fuck off for just a few seconds to kill MC who by that point was already on the ground tryin to evolve (Klaus has seen and dealt with that before he even says so).

The environment has little impact on a character like the MC he's a shapeshifter...the ultimate adapter to all environments. Hell nearly every ability that his power allowed him to create was to adapt to a situation.

You could spend hundreds of years coming up with the best battlefield to combat MC in but if he adapts then all that effort is for naught and mind you this is assuming (again assuming) you have any info on him, the target (like weaknesses. Which at the moment it seems only Klaus took advantage of. HERO doesnt seem to be aware of his weaknesses).

A good portion of fights in this game the MC or other characters go in completely dark, this isnt a batman situation where he's already 200 steps ahead prepared for you. Its a spur of the moment thing.

Thus far only 3 characters have prepped for a foe and it had a range of results:
Jake: He was weaponizing the sector he was in to prepare for Ella but was ultimately defeated by MC despite having intel on MC and an army with him.
Michael: He prepped against Oscar and then again for his power which both succeeded.
Deryl: He prepared numerous traps for the MC yet still lost to him and again against michael during training sim but still lost.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I didn't read everything but there's no indication the power negation tech or an ability similar to it would work on a Lvl 5, in fact everything screams the opposite.

If it's an ability of say a Lvl 1, it has to fight against the wells of power of a Lvl 5. Obviously a Lvl 5 has FAR more to pull from and there for probably wouldn't even have to physically beat you, you'd just kill yourself trying to affect them even a little.

As for the actual tech; H.E.R.O sucks. I dunno who's runnin the capture department but they need to be let go IMMEDIATELY. So far I'd wager the most intelligent (and powerful) thing they got housed there is Valravn (minus Apostle Avatar corpses). It's said that they ARE making bigger cages later but I'd wager they'd need all the inhibitors they could POSSIBLY get their hands on to actually PREVENT a Lvl 5 from using their abilities, if not just to nerf them a tad.

 

[Gtdead]

Some important points going forward:
1) Power suppression tech is a hybrid of human technology and "monster magic", requires monster material and like every power, it can be countered or just fail. Xanthe's monster weapons don't work on rank As for example.
2) As shown during the Alexis suppression cell scene, the superhuman's body retains the mutations even if it's strength is sapped, so the true effect of suppression is yet to be determined. It's possible that there are more than 1 effects at play in these cells.
3) Xanthe says that level 5s have transcended humanity alltogether, so it's likely that the tech doesn't even work on level 5s unless they allow it to happen.
4) A level 5 without abilities still has a body that is impervious to harm by all human technology.
5) A level 1 superhuman cannot create effects stronger than those human technology can create and the mental effects are prone to taking feedback damage, instantly killing the caster when used on a significantly more powerful foe.

 

[necromater]

Wait... when y'all refer to dogclappers you actually mean...

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[DrakoGhoul]

4) A level 5 without abilities still has a body that is impervious to harm by all human technology.

Not just human tech, but even monsters themselves can't harm a Level 5 superhuman body. As we saw during the Battle of Diamonds with Clark. He was passed out with barely any power left and yet the monster's crystal attack bounced off of his unconscious body. According to Clark, he's the weakest Level 5 in HERO.

We don't know the rank or class of the monster(Likely a C-Rank) but that shows that even superhumans with little to no power are still too durable for even Level 2 equivalent monsters to penetrate their bodies.

 

[Deleted member 5069289]

Not just human tech, but even monsters themselves can't harm a Level 5 superhuman body. As we saw during the Battle of Diamonds with Clark. He was passed out with barely any power left and yet the monster's crystal attack bounced off of his unconscious body. According to Clark, he's the weakest Level 5 in HERO.

We don't know the rank or class of the monster(Likely a C-Rank) but that shows that even superhumans with little to no power are still too durable for even Level 2 equivalent monsters to penetrate their bodies.

It's not just lvl 5s, remember that jared attacks MC while we're distracted healing Laurie and the attack just bounces off, so a lvl 3 can't be harmed by a lvl 1.
I think we can extrapolate the following:
lvl 1 can't hurt lvl 3
lvl 2 can't hurt lvl 4
lvl 3 can only hurt lvl 5 if the lvl 3 is extraordinarily powerful for a lvl 3 (Like mr tree lieutenant)

 

[Deleted member 5069289]

Ella even comments on the fact treeboi neglected his training which is something thing the game established superhumans have to do if they want to be stronger.

If my memory serves me right she says that he neglected his POWER not his training. The game makes it a point to openly state that he's extremely hard working and has been training diligently for 30 years.
Still, you can improve your body but there's a limit to the amount of power you can get even at lvl 3 apparently without evolving.