Dikaebi

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Okay with the recent talk of the cursed "Bad News devlog" (and speculation of possible delays), I want to ask an important plot-related question to you guys, to pass the time.

If teams are gonna play a major role in the story and you had to pick between joining one or something else, what would you choose?

a) Stay an Independent agent
b) Make your own team (either with Michael, Alice, Deryl, plus someone else possibly or with completely new Superhumans)
c) Join Team Lucifer (The most obvious choice, we are involved with so many of their members even prior to joining H.E.R.O.)
d) Join Team Clthulhu (The 2nd obvious choice with a lot of interesting and some of the strongest Superhumans on this team)
e) Join Team Oberon (An interesting choice, not much to go by besides melody and Lucius)
f) Join Team Reaper (Nyx has an interesting background and powers, her lieutenants... not so much)
g) Join Team Kronos (By far the Most interesting and Mysterious team with only some snippets about their Feats so far [The monster that Zack fought, The Power Negation Monster that one of their members caught that was used to make the Monster Containment Cells]
If there is a choice to go lonesome road and fuck over everyone
That one.
S.I.N can get destroyed for all i care and H.E.R.O are restraining superhuman's freedom so far.
Ulysses may have given us only two choices, but fuck if i don't convince him to press both buttons
 

hrhr

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Okay with the recent talk of the cursed "Bad News devlog" (and speculation of possible delays), I want to ask an important plot-related question to you guys, to pass the time.

If teams are gonna play a major role in the story and you had to pick between joining one or something else, what would you choose?

a) Stay an Independent agent
b) Make your own team (either with Michael, Alice, Deryl, plus someone else possibly or with completely new Superhumans)
c) Join Team Lucifer (The most obvious choice, we are involved with so many of their members even prior to joining H.E.R.O.)
d) Join Team Clthulhu (The 2nd obvious choice with a lot of interesting and some of the strongest Superhumans on this team)
e) Join Team Oberon (An interesting choice, not much to go by besides melody and Lucius)
f) Join Team Reaper (Nyx has an interesting background and powers, her lieutenants... not so much)
g) Join Team Kronos (By far the Most interesting and Mysterious team with only some snippets about their Feats so far [The monster that Zack fought, The Power Negation Monster that one of their members caught that was used to make the Monster Containment Cells]
Were there any mentions of existing team members being transferred or something like that? Would be nice to join Nyx and bring Alice and maybe someone else along. I'm always expecting Michael to be a turncoat because of his hunger for power but it never happens, but if it did then it would play a role in team composition as well.
 
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If there is a choice to go lonesome road and fuck over everyone
That one.
S.I.N can get destroyed for all i care and H.E.R.O are restraining superhuman's freedom so far.
Ulysses may have given us only two choices, but fuck if i don't convince him to press both buttons
there isn't but i should add that, it seems like a viable choice.
 
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wham hello, I was wondering, for your MC's in your own personal saves; What is the highest power you've managed to attain as of .96? I know the conversation with the ranking system is over, but I'd like to say I don't think Valravn could be considered an S rank even at peak strength. If I'm remembering correctly it took Cole and two other members from S.I.N to take down Valravn enough to make his strength dampened to what it was. So possibly I believe he's an A rank at the most since HERO also didn't feel too pressured about sending a level 5 in the battle as well, even if they knew he was weakened, I don't think an organization as methodical as HERO would take the chance.
 
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wham hello, I was wondering, for your MC's in your own personal saves; What is the highest power you've managed to attain as of .96? I know the conversation with the ranking system is over, but I'd like to say I don't think Valravn could be considered an S rank even at peak strength. If I'm remembering correctly it took Cole and two other members from S.I.N to take down Valravn enough to make his strength dampened to what it was. So possibly I believe he's an A rank at the most since HERO also didn't feel too pressured about sending a level 5 in the battle as well, even if they knew he was weakened, I don't think an organization as methodical as HERO would take the chance.
It took ella to take him down, Cole and two other members of Ella's faction (not S.I.N. , don't confuse the two) did nothing but practially annoyed him and he was heavily weakened even when they all fought him (he had just lost his heart).
He was greviously injured when The Main Character decided to fight him plus he didn't even die, just incapacitated.

[just asked PP, Max power you can get is 359]
 
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It took ella to take him down, Cole and two other members of Ella's faction (not S.I.N. , don't confuse the two) did nothing but practially annoyed him and he was heavily weakened even when they all fought him (he had just lost his heart).
He was greviously injured when The Main Character decided to fight him plus he didn't even die, just incapacitated.
The I am wrong! He could have quite possibly been an S rank at peak, I must've forgotten the snibbit of dialogue where they spoke about Ella having to step in.
 
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don't worry, it happens to the best of us (especially the best of us). its just a couple snippets of dialogue, easy to miss.
I'll have to rerun the game in the coming update to make sure the noggin ain't loose, actually do you know if WW has any plans of going onto steam? I feel like they're waiting for the game to be done but I've also never seen them talk about it (I'm currently not a patron though so maybe they have)
 
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I'll have to rerun the game in the coming update to make sure the noggin ain't loose, actually do you know if WW has any plans of going onto steam? I feel like they're waiting for the game to be done but I've also never seen them talk about it (I'm currently not a patron though so maybe they have)
not that i know of, no i don't think he is moving to steam (maybe post 1.0 but who knows).
 
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not that i know of, no i don't think he is moving to steam (maybe post 1.0 but who knows).
Epic, I was just curious if it has been spoken around here or not. Also! Thanks for the update on the max power on the current update, I thought 347 was the max but I was wrong, I haven't used the Walkthrough before but I shall now so I'll begone for the day! Thank you again.
 

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It took ella to take him down, Cole and two other members of Ella's faction (not S.I.N. , don't confuse the two) did nothing but practially annoyed him and he was heavily weakened even when they all fought him (he had just lost his heart).
He was greviously injured when The Main Character decided to fight him plus he didn't even die, just incapacitated.

[just asked PP, Max power you can get is 359]
I think it's more than that. 363.
The highest MC can reach before evolving is 115.
73 up till the Mall (perhaps I will edit this post later to do a full breakdown)
10 (83) from horn
1 (84) from beating Laurie correctly
1 (85) from reaching day 89
1 (86) from beating Tiff correctly
1 (87) reaching day 95
1 (88) Laurie side quest
1 (89) Train with Michael side quest
1 (90) Random power up during Alice side quest
15 (105) final stretch before Diamond Battle

During diamond battle you have 2 options
Learn how light power works | +5 power / +3 skill (110)
Aglaecwif choose strength | Choose + 10 power (115)

So the highest power you can get before the latest update, is 115 + 200 from evolution = 315
The latest update can give you up to 48 power.
10 from training 1
3 from training 2
10 from asura
10 from not being detected during infiltration
10 from shopkeep monster item
5 from shopkeep monster item

So highest possible power after the latest update is 315 + 48 = 363
 

Aristarkhos

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Thoughts?
Rank and class mean effectively the same thing, as stated by the teacher.
Specifically, "rank" is assigned to the mission, and "class" to the monster.
A C-Rank mission will always be targeting a C-Class monster.
Classification is based on "strength compared to other monsters".
This seems to correlate directly to their "Power" statistic.

As rated by WW himself in monster reports, Valravn when fought is C+, Minyaks are D-Class, Leigong is C-class.
Deryl's chimeras are both C-Class, and the main one was C+, though it may have been B proper after its "evolution."
The +/- are noted to be as powerful as another monster in their class, but as dangerous as a class above or below.
For example, Valravn effectively has the power stores of a C class, but the danger level of a B class when MC fights him.

A brief comment on the Asura-
I am disappointed the scythe did not see use, it would have been interesting to see how effective it would've been.
 

Gtdead

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Rank and class mean effectively the same thing, as stated by the teacher.
Specifically, "rank" is assigned to the mission, and "class" to the monster.
A C-Rank mission will always be targeting a C-Class monster.
Classification is based on "strength compared to other monsters".
This seems to correlate directly to their "Power" statistic.

As rated by WW himself in monster reports, Valravn when fought is C+, Minyaks are D-Class, Leigong is C-class.
Deryl's chimeras are both C-Class, and the main one was C+, though it may have been B proper after its "evolution."
The +/- are noted to be as powerful as another monster in their class, but as dangerous as a class above or below.
For example, Valravn effectively has the power stores of a C class, but the danger level of a B class when MC fights him.

A brief comment on the Asura-
I am disappointed the scythe did not see use, it would have been interesting to see how effective it would've been.
Interesting, I don't have access to the monster reports. I do feel however that there is a bit of an inconsistency between what the teacher describes and WWs ratings. The humans with 2 tanks couldn't even scratch Valravn. This doesnt sound like the description for a C rank.

It also seems that Michael is significantly stronger than I gave him credit for. Michael soloed his Chimera while Laurie and Alice could not beat theirs before Alice's evolution.
 

DrakoGhoul

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Oh yeah, forgot to comment on the where I think next update is going. We've covered this a few pages back but the SIN Initiation is going to cover 5 things, in my opinion.

1. Infiltration
2. Socializing
3. Induction + Reveals
4. Cover blown
5. Fight


The first and second part will be pretty standard. We'll see the top members of SIN and likely get a look at the monsters that reside in Hex's dimension. We'll probably talk to Ella's Lieutenants and others along the way. This is where the MC's identity going to start to crumble. I have a feeling they're going to find out during these parts but wait until after he has the mark and is under oath to reveal that they know his identity.

Which now leads us to the third part and ultimately the fourth part. The initiation itself. Since Charlie has set up her power on MC already, she'll know it's him before he goes under the oath. The real question would be if she would tell or let it pass because of what happened with Laurie. In my opinion, she won't say anything and just go along with it. That said, everyone else will likely see through MC as they likely know it's him by now. This is right after they reveal their plan to all of the new members.

Lastly, the fight. This is where Nico comes in. Zack(or maybe even Deus comes in) sees what's about to happen and tells her to extract the MC but since this is Hex Dimension, she gets locked in another battle with it. MC starts fighting SIN members until Cole steps up and fights. Nico sees what's about to happen and lends a hand to the MC here and there as he fights. They fight it out until they have a chance to retreat with Nico killing Hex. When they return, SIN has already snatched Liz and Amber.

That's what I see happening. Some of it likely won't happen, or in that order, but I have a feeling it'll go like that. After their return, I have no real clue. Besides a bunch of ideas like MC taking his training serious now with the twins potentially captured. Ella probably won't "wake up" until the very end of the update or after a decent portion of it has gone by.
 

DrakoGhoul

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As for Dead Ends, I touched on that as well. Mostly the Nico specific one. MC loses too much for not fighting the Asura for it not to mean anything. It's probably not going to be as severe as I believe it to be. At least, it wouldn't lead into an immediate dead end but likely sets up one in the next update.

Another Dead End would be Cole. While I'm confident current MC can beat him, I feel WW isn't going to make it that easy. Realistically, from what we've seen of Cole and his power, MC completely counters him. Now you might be wondering how it would lead to a dead end then and I would say Cole may secretly have a trump card in his power kit. That or he Evolves mid fight and that leads to one, if we're too cocky.

Killing too many people. I feel like there's going to be bait kills next update. Basically, like the Charlie one but with Ella's Lieutenants and other important people. Jared might not escape his death next update but he might wound the MC with some secret weapon Xanthe's son developed that leads to a dead end. Since he is working with SIN.

The unlikely to happen but possible dead ends are ones involving monsters. MC running into Goliath as it recovers. I doubt child thing and Aglaecwif will be there but that could happen as well. We'll probably see Nyx's Monster types and get instant killed by their negative energy. Hex could also do his dimension dump trick on us again too. We might even run into completely different monsters from the 9th - 12th lines.

That's what I figured is going to be some of the dead ends next update. At least for the SIN Initiation. I can't think of where it goes after that so that's up in the air.
 
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Aristarkhos

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Interesting, I don't have access to the monster reports. I do feel however that there is a bit of an inconsistency between what the teacher describes and WWs ratings. The humans with 2 tanks couldn't even scratch Valravn. This doesnt sound like the description for a C rank.
Note that they could damage his base form, consistent with him being C-Class, and he was invulnerable when armored.
That said, as a C+, he is as dangerous as a B Class. Which is consistent with his performance after manifesting the armor.
 
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