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That only happens if you pick to be a cuck instead of a white knight lol
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NTR aside, I do feel like Liz is probably my least favorite of the main girls. I feel like his "opposites attract" dynamic with Amber is far more entertaining.
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I don't quite understand, the NTR route has to be picked like the non-NTR. If you do it for completing the gallery I understand you 'cause I did the same but otherwise you could go on without ever seeing Liz cuckold you.
Btw her and Amber's arc is coming to a major point or even the end with the next update so no Liz isn't around only for NTR scenes.
Did you even watch the last scene in the last update with Liz?
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Liz has some problems in her writing especially when it comes to how she views sex. In one scene she shuts down people who try to flirt with her, on the other scene she talks about her boyfriend problems, and in the NTR route she says that sex means nothing to her.
So basically, what's all the drama for when she seems like she doesn't really give a crap about sex anyway? I understand why people dislike her. She feels a bit gimmicky.
Personally she works well for me and I rate her fairly high in my list, but that's because I think she isn't meant to be taken at face value. I won't go into detail on that, the short of it is that I like her development (assuming romance route) and where her head's at, but I flat out ignore her when she tries to "explain" things.
So basically, what's all the drama for when she seems like she doesn't really give a crap about sex anyway? I understand why people dislike her. She feels a bit gimmicky.
Personally she works well for me and I rate her fairly high in my list, but that's because I think she isn't meant to be taken at face value. I won't go into detail on that, the short of it is that I like her development (assuming romance route) and where her head's at, but I flat out ignore her when she tries to "explain" things.
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I agree. It would make more sense for her to be asexual actually. Not a virgin, but some experiences here and there in her teens that left her with no desire for sex.
And Liz actually going for a boyfriend is kind of an oxymoron. She still is my favorite LI alongside Alice tho.
i think she's unsure about her sexual relations herself, and she does whatever is more convenient, interesting, or challenging. (like that time she didn't care about racing MC in the Swimming Pool but once she did and lost, she started to care more)
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The only reason I disliked Liz was because of how much it didn't seem like she cared about the MC, but I took the word OF the MC; my first mistake.
The way the MC words it is that Liz basically belittled him due to his height and not wanting to delve into feelings. But when you watch the recent flashback it's a MUCH different story. Liz DOES care but she seems almost incapable of showing it. Sad thing is she's probably been out number 1 fan since day one stepping up to Deryl like that, and was genuinely hurt when we went M.I.A the entire Summer.
As far as the NTR goes again, it's unrealistic, so don't take THAT as your basis of how she really is.
Liz rose to being one of my top 5 personal favorite characters after the recent flashback, MC really did not do her character justice everytime he mentioned her.
wait, so a guy abusing his sponsoree by emotionally manipulating her is unrealistic? (Just kidding obviously the whole scenario is ludicrous with the psycho kidnapping and murdering going [except the whole guy abusing power and money to fuck a girl])
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Yeah, that's part of the problem with her. She doesn't seem unsure about anything. She defines everything, and she claims that she is either too lazy or too shallow to follow through. But after all are said and done, her actions aren't very consistent and in the romance route she basically throws every single notion she has about these things, out of the window.
She is lazy, yet MC gets her by challenging her.
She is cold during sex, yet in the later scenes she becomes fire.
She considers herself completely apathetic and broken but she ends up finding meaning in her relationship.
She lacked a drive but now that she saw the danger, she is willing to take risks to protect her friends even if she currently is in more danger than they are, at least as far as she knows.
She can be both idealistic and unpredictable.
So yeah, as I said, taking Liz at face value is a bad idea. Her reactions don't seem to get influenced by her opinions at all. I think the reason is that Liz has a very low self esteem in general. She is talented at everything but she doesn't feel good about it cause she doesn't consider it "earned". So basically the closer she gets to finding her purpose, her attitude will improve dramatically.
Any chance you can provide the quote that reinforces that notion? Because I can't find an instance where MC makes it seem like Liz belittled him. In fact I get the opposite idea, that despite all, MC really didn't consider this a problem, and he is even a bit surprised that Liz mentions height at all:
The way I interpret this snippet is that MC never really considered height as the problem and he believes that Liz just doesn't do relationships. Now that we know about the flashback, he literally used his height to break the tension which is just further proof to me, not a revelation.
In this snippet, it seems like Liz has a problem with his height, because she goes from "you are short" to "I won't go out with you", but then she offers sex so the lines are blurred abit. MC on the other hand reacts saying that he "wasn't that short".
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Well i gues im one of the few who doesn't care about Liz's flashback. NTR route already damaged her in my opinion and her sister seems better to me. Girls who randomly sleep around in these games , i can't see them as LIs but side chicks.(This also happens when there is a game that contains lesbian fuck fest but this is off topic i guess?) This is how i started to see her in the beginning of the game. After her romance path i started to like her but not that much.
I mean after playing her romance path, she becomes better and becomes real LI instead of being just a side chick to me but still because of those two thing i wrote, she is not at the top of my list. Obv she's a good character but im comparing her to other girls. Alice/Amber still number 1 for me. (Alice seems 1. and Amber 2. but anyway)
So summary, Liz did very bad start in my opinion and because of that i don't see her at the top of my list.
Also i just realised i can't see "harem" when i look at tags so do we have to choose one girl in the finale i wonder.
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So summary, Liz did very bad start in my opinion and because of that i don't see her at the top of my list.
Also i just realised i can't see "harem" when i look at tags so do we have to choose one girl in the finale i wonder.
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Doesn't she initially only sleep with the Fat dude to get Amber a chance to compete in swimming? Also don't think it matters what she does before a relationship, especially in the NTR route where the drug seems to have perma fucked with her libido.
The way I see it, NTR Liz is the confirmation of everything she thought about herself. Its a pretty sad storyline when you know it just takes a noncuck MC to actually push her to become someone so much better and loving. But I guess heart break and tragedy is synonymous with NTR
The romance route Liz is the contradiction of everything she thinks about herself. She falls in love, gets motivated to swim, finds sex fun and meaningful etc etc.
While Alice and Emily are good characters in general. But in terms of an actual love interest. Liz's development and story blows theirs out of the water. Amber is just meh all around, don't really find her story compelling.
The way I see it, NTR Liz is the confirmation of everything she thought about herself. Its a pretty sad storyline when you know it just takes a noncuck MC to actually push her to become someone so much better and loving. But I guess heart break and tragedy is synonymous with NTR
The romance route Liz is the contradiction of everything she thinks about herself. She falls in love, gets motivated to swim, finds sex fun and meaningful etc etc.
While Alice and Emily are good characters in general. But in terms of an actual love interest. Liz's development and story blows theirs out of the water. Amber is just meh all around, don't really find her story compelling.
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I have to agree that her routes are so polarizing that it can completely destroy the character in the player's eye. I literally ignore the existence of the NTR route, it's like I'm talking about some other game when I refer to it.
By the way, both Amber and Liz fuck other people. Liz is way more candid about it but it's not like Amber is some virgin. It's just that since she is more emotional and very reasonable, people are willing to believe that she cared more about finding a good guy than just having sex with random idiots.
As for the harem tag, I think the reason it's missing is because MC keeps seperate relationships with each of the girls and some of the are strictly casual. Chances are that in the endings, MC will retain most of the relationships but not all. For example, if he gets into a relationship with HERO girls (Alexis, Nico), it's unlikely that they will accept Ella. If he gets into a relationship with Ella, it's probable that Emily and Christie will join as well. It's also possible that the game will transcent the notion. If MC becomes the "ultimate being", getting girls will be the least of his worries.
The harem idea is heavily teased in the game and aside from the tag missing, we really don't have any indication that MC will have to choose, aside from character incompatibilities, and assuming that all of the competing characters will survive by the endgame.
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Purely from my Murderhobo perspective, Liz is boring and she deserves to be alone and "empty". Maybe I'm twisted like that but I felt nothing but bliss at rejecting her and basically brushing off her comment at the end of the update. She rejected the MC, so he moved on and doesn't want to be with her now that he "improved" himself. She had her chance, she refused and that's the end of that. I'm that cold and straightforward about it on that playthrough. I'm not going to be hung up on her. Sure she had her reasons and that's completely fine, but my MC long since moved on and doesn't really care.
People can champion the NTR route for her being great or even consider her story the greatest of any Love Interest but she's bland in my eyes. And that's not because the writing is bad or anything. It's because I didn't care for her route, compared to Alice and others. You can do all of the great storytelling you want but if I don't have much interest in the character, it'll amount to nothing at the end. If I didn't care too much for normal Liz, then what makes anyone think it'll change for NTR Liz?
For additional context, I'm saying that I'm not in love with her like the former MC. Sure, I'll help her but I don't really feel all that strongly about her. The NTR stuff does nothing for me because I'm not into her like that, so it wouldn't really do much but annoy me that I have to sit through it. My MC wouldn't subject himself to being a cuck anyway. He's in a clear position of power. That's why the Liz NTR doesn't work for me. I would just kill them and move on from her altogether.
That's also why I thought the NTR being solely geared towards Liz was bizarre. Ella having the NTR content would've made a lot more sense because you can't stop her from sleeping with other men or her shapeshifting into you and fucking your women, once you're locked into it. Maybe it's a power dynamic thing for me, on top of not being that into Liz? MC is always in the position of power when it comes to Liz route. He doesn't have to subject himself to it, unless you play into it from the start. With Ella, that changes drastically. She's in the position of power and the MC quite literally can't do anything about it.
Anyway, the chance for that has long passed. It would've only worked in the early game, as it takes a lot of build up. Most players nowadays aren't all that attached to Ella, romantically. Current MC is also not stupid enough to just believe in her blindly. So if it happened now from future content going forward, most wouldn't care and majority will feel vindicated in their choice of not being with her.
When I think about it, Liz isn't even in my top ten anymore. Even if you exclude monsters from it, she's dropped considerably over the years. Even though she's currently 7th, Ella will always be in my top ten. Her position might fluctuate a lot but she'll never drop below 10.
People can champion the NTR route for her being great or even consider her story the greatest of any Love Interest but she's bland in my eyes. And that's not because the writing is bad or anything. It's because I didn't care for her route, compared to Alice and others. You can do all of the great storytelling you want but if I don't have much interest in the character, it'll amount to nothing at the end. If I didn't care too much for normal Liz, then what makes anyone think it'll change for NTR Liz?
For additional context, I'm saying that I'm not in love with her like the former MC. Sure, I'll help her but I don't really feel all that strongly about her. The NTR stuff does nothing for me because I'm not into her like that, so it wouldn't really do much but annoy me that I have to sit through it. My MC wouldn't subject himself to being a cuck anyway. He's in a clear position of power. That's why the Liz NTR doesn't work for me. I would just kill them and move on from her altogether.
That's also why I thought the NTR being solely geared towards Liz was bizarre. Ella having the NTR content would've made a lot more sense because you can't stop her from sleeping with other men or her shapeshifting into you and fucking your women, once you're locked into it. Maybe it's a power dynamic thing for me, on top of not being that into Liz? MC is always in the position of power when it comes to Liz route. He doesn't have to subject himself to it, unless you play into it from the start. With Ella, that changes drastically. She's in the position of power and the MC quite literally can't do anything about it.
Anyway, the chance for that has long passed. It would've only worked in the early game, as it takes a lot of build up. Most players nowadays aren't all that attached to Ella, romantically. Current MC is also not stupid enough to just believe in her blindly. So if it happened now from future content going forward, most wouldn't care and majority will feel vindicated in their choice of not being with her.
When I think about it, Liz isn't even in my top ten anymore. Even if you exclude monsters from it, she's dropped considerably over the years. Even though she's currently 7th, Ella will always be in my top ten. Her position might fluctuate a lot but she'll never drop below 10.