JuAqe

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Never seen anyone mention it --And it could have been patched out-- But back when you have the option to reveal everything about ella or not to the captains, if you choose not to your relationship with ella goes up by one, implying that she had and was using some sort of method to listen in on the conversation, and its extremely unlikely that she just didnt know what Nyx's power was-- On top of that if her regenerative power is anything like the mc's power or like how she described it "if theres even a speck of me left ill come back"so its my headcanon that theres some way for the mc and ella to circumvent this power-- as additionally the greatest power according to cave mommy is authority when used properly, and what use is that if someone can just instantly kill you? So there may actually be an underlying condition for nyx's power to work, but thats bordering into plain guesswork. Now, off to disappear again
 

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Never seen anyone mention it --And it could have been patched out-- But back when you have the option to reveal everything about ella or not to the captains, if you choose not to your relationship with ella goes up by one, implying that she had and was using some sort of method to listen in on the conversation, and its extremely unlikely that she just didnt know what Nyx's power was-- On top of that if her regenerative power is anything like the mc's power or like how she described it "if theres even a speck of me left ill come back"so its my headcanon that theres some way for the mc and ella to circumvent this power-- as additionally the greatest power according to cave mommy is authority when used properly, and what use is that if someone can just instantly kill you? So there may actually be an underlying condition for nyx's power to work, but thats bordering into plain guesswork. Now, off to disappear again
The operating assumption is that Ella could listen in MC's conversations through Zara's mark. Now as far as Ella's death is concerned, there exist a lot of interpretations and theories. Some of them:

She was already marked in the past in the same way that she has marked Emily and Christie.
She was marked right when Nyx showed up, by an allied monster.
Nyx marked Ella herself before killing her. (This is the one I personally think most likely)
Returning to her normal form after getting hit by the ray signifies that something sketchy is going on.
Since she new about Nyx's powers, she had some contigencies that we can't possibly know of yet.
Perhaps she even created some contigency when she healed Mia.
 

DrakoGhoul

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Never seen anyone mention it --And it could have been patched out-- But back when you have the option to reveal everything about ella or not to the captains, if you choose not to your relationship with ella goes up by one, implying that she had and was using some sort of method to listen in on the conversation, and its extremely unlikely that she just didnt know what Nyx's power was-- On top of that if her regenerative power is anything like the mc's power or like how she described it "if theres even a speck of me left ill come back"so its my headcanon that theres some way for the mc and ella to circumvent this power-- as additionally the greatest power according to cave mommy is authority when used properly, and what use is that if someone can just instantly kill you? So there may actually be an underlying condition for nyx's power to work, but thats bordering into plain guesswork. Now, off to disappear again
That was Zara's Mark. For whatever reason, MC and Xanthe didn't think to remove it before talking about their plan lol. I feel like that was a major oversight on HERO's part or maybe they wanted Ella to know they were coming? Either way, that's how Ella gained a point. MC was still under Zara's Mark.
 

JuAqe

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I forgot all about the mark ngl-- but yeah, really doubt that she just had no plan whatsoever against near instant death
 

Zorad

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Finally finished my second playthrough and I can comfortably say this is one of the best games in this site. Story, characters, soundtrack, combat, etc are all very well crafted.

If I had to complain about one thing is that the character development for the MC outside of combat is lacking quite a bit. He is basically the same guy as he was at the start, the only differences being that high corruption makes killing easier for him and he has a proper goal now (power/love). With a game this long I expected him to be a bit different by now but no, he's still the same airheaded, detached, apathetic guy. It feels like the dev is holding his character arc back until he finds out about what happened to his mom.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the MC by any means, he's still a good protagonist in my opinion, I just think he could be a lot better by now.

Aside from that, I'm very excited to see where this story goes. Ella's return and the Black Moon arrival are the two events I am looking forward to the most. SIN infiltration is also very promising and could give us more insight on the monsters and maybe even on Ella's plans.

Side note: my hero name is Shadow and I'm happy with it since I find it very fitting considering the MC has to stay incognito for most part of the game (and now he also works as a spy so it still fits). Imagine my surprise when I read some of the old comments in this thread when it comes to that name and the dog :HideThePain: You fuckers almost ruined the name for me lol; I'm lucky I played the game two times in a row before coming here, this gave me enough time to get used to the name before getting tainted by dogclapping insanity :KEK:
 
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I'm pretty sure the walkthrough from about a year ago said how to get each scene in the gallary, and the current one doesn't. In fact, I think I found a bunch of places where it says choices don't matter, but the choices trigger whether a scene happens. Is there something else I should be looking at.
 

XX-topic

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on another matter...i can't tell with certainty when the next release will be...but i hope it will be Friday :p
 

Demandred20

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Meh the last like I dunno 5 releases has been in the middle of the week so I´m gambling on tuesday or wednesday 31st of october or the first of november.
 

hornywolf

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The story was heavily inspired by Venom and Prtotype I believe
Personally I loved every second of it
It was such fresh air that the fucked up things in the game weren't rape and cheating(which there is small amount) rather it's gore and bloodi was really charming and the story is real good
Demilover for life
 
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The body is fine but imo the colour of the hair and the absence of face details isn't the most fantastic.
I know that the original MC's male and female form too don't have that much face details but at least they have hair on the face or it is obscured by some shadow.
But to spread love:
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I know lol, it was made to look like the game,but if i do another fanart later im gonna give her some cheeks and the pink blush she has in the nose lol, but thanks :D
 
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Dipasimaan

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no no!
i meant like
i was joking few days ago about a jellyfish monster in SH yunno? few jokes like Crab MC cuz carcinisation = evolution n stuff, doing le funny biology jokes
then someone sent that actually there's a jellyfish called box jellyfish that can actuallykill someone and it's venom is very violent n shit
so idk, got the ideia of doing a little petition for a box-jellyfish monster girl, got it?
tldr: funny idea but i actually liked the concept of a jellyfish girl that can kill people with venom
Ok but in fact there exist more than just the box jellyfish. That one is just the most venomous one

The concept of a jellyfish could be theoretically done by Ella, she already has her hair/tentacles so she just need to understand how to generate venom
 
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Ok but in fact there exist more than just the box jellyfish. That one is just the most venomous one

The concept of a jellyfish could be theoretically done by Ella, she already has her hair/tentacles so she just need to understand how to generate venom
I know, lol

damn... thats actually gave me a ideia.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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is min-max important? i remember i played this game a bit a while ago and then when i replayed it and looking at the walkthrought i realized i could get more points by taking diferent choices so my question is, can i get locked out of important content if i play in a not optimal way?
 
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Edvin

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is min-max important? i remember i played this game a bit a while ago and then when i replayed it and looking at the walkthrought i realized i could get more points by taking diferent choices so my question is, can i get locked out of important content if i play in a not optimal way?
There are two main routes and each one has heaps of minor variations.

1) Pure hero (doesn't kill if don't have to and don't eat monsters and enemies)
2) Corrupted hero (kills everything he can and eats everything he can)

Of course, these are not the only routes, as they have a lot of variations and sometimes they can be partially combined, but these are two main routes.

Corrupted hero has several advantages. For starters, his stats are slightly higher because consuming some monsters gives extra power. He also understands the language of monsters because he is largely like them. So far it has no disadvantages, although the fact that you can kill and eat characters that might appear later in the story can be considered a disadvantage (less story). Pure hero has no obvious advantages, other than the fact that most of the characters are still alive. There are theories that how corrupt we are will have a big effect on what ending we get. It can also have an effect on some end game fights, as a corrupted hero has less control over his abilities (I don't mean that they are weaker, on the contrary, they are so strong that it will be easier for him to lose control) and is more susceptible to things that affect monsters.

So yes, some decisions require pretty high stats, which can be pretty hard to have, depending on the style of play you play. Corruption is a particularly problematic stat because the bar increases gradually and if you haven't increased it from the start you will very quickly reach a point where you won't be able to choose most of these options (high corruption sometimes offers an alternative solution that [surprisingly] may not be bad) because there simply aren't enough options for you to accumulate more.

Does that answer your question?
 
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divertox

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is min-max important? i remember i played this game a bit a while ago and then when i replayed it and looking at the walkthrought i realized i could get more points by taking diferent choices so my question is, can i get locked out of important content if i play in a not optimal way?
I took a route where I tried to have as much corruption as possible without killing anyone important, not even Jake, and I managed to do that, I chose to increase my popularity with the government because it is much easier than trying to increase the public on a corrupt route , I also opted for skill when facing Michael, a good way to know if I was going the right way was to be able to understand everything the eye says in dreams and have a perfect fight with Valvran, getting there with 80 power and 19 skill, and then have enough corruption to get the dead end in the third evolution, I consider this a perfect route. I believe that on this route I will not lose any content, so I consider it min-max.
 

Edvin

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I took a route where I tried to have as much corruption as possible without killing anyone important, not even Jake, and I managed to do that, I chose to increase my popularity with the government because it is much easier than trying to increase the public on a corrupt route , I also opted for skill when facing Michael, a good way to know if I was going the right way was to be able to understand everything the eye says in dreams and have a perfect fight with Valvran, getting there with 80 power and 19 skill, and then have enough corruption to get the dead end in the third evolution, I consider this a perfect route. I believe that on this route I will not lose any content, so I consider it min-max.
I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect route. Every important decision is always at the expense of another.
In addition, we do not yet have information on how certain decisions or the amount of corruption will affect the end game.
But for now it seems that what you are doing is maximizing the amount of content available.

P.S.
You should always kill Jake.
That guy is an asshole.
:)
 

DrakoGhoul

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is min-max important? i remember i played this game a bit a while ago and then when i replayed it and looking at the walkthrought i realized i could get more points by taking diferent choices so my question is, can i get locked out of important content if i play in a not optimal way?
While it would be easy to tell you this or that, Drako already did it all for you. I could tell you multiple ways but I rather just show you my stats and let you be the judge of it. You want to to get a perfect during Valravn fight with 80 PP and 19 Skill while also getting to meet Aglaecwif and save Laurie? That on top of beating the Asura without Nico saving you. Well, look no further than my Veil character.

Okay, I just finished it all up. It took longer than it should have but I was playing different games alongside it so it slowed me a bit. Anyway, I'll keep this "short" and put my stats below.

Main Playthrough(1st) -

Hero Name: Darkness
Power: 348
Skill: 30
Corruption: 35
Public Opinion: 675
Government Opinion: 145
Alive: Danica, Demi, Jake and Laurie
Dead: Nobody
Aglaecwif Met: Yes


Corruption Main Playthrough(2nd) -

Hero Name: Darkness
Power: 348
Skill: 30
Corruption: 43
Public Opinion: 535
Government Opinion: 145
Alive: Danica
Dead: Demi, Jake, Laurie
Aglaecwif Met: Yes


0 Corruption Playthrough(3rd) -

Hero Name: Dark Night
Power: 337
Skill: 34
Corruption: 0
Public Opinion: 770
Government Opinion: 180
Alive: Danica, Demi, Jake and Laurie
Dead: Nobody
Aglaecwif Met: No


And I might as well add the other two to this one as well. Even though I already posted them. For the full picture, I'll put them below again so everyone can see the difference between them. I went back and corrected my Murderhobo to get the 3 corruption and also skipped skill points for it this time.

Murderhobo Playthrough(4th) -

Hero Name: Daemon
Power: 363
Skill: 26
Corruption: 49
Public Opinion: -450
Government Opinion: -180
Alive: hopefully nobody for long
Dead: Danica, Demi, Jake, and Laurie
Aglaecwif Met: Yes


"Perfect" Playthrough(5th) -

Hero Name: Veil
Power: 350
Skill: 31
Corruption: 37
Public Opinion: 770
Government Opinion:180
Alive: Danica, Demi and Laurie
Dead: Jake
Aglaecwif Met: Yes

Now I can rest for a while.
The murderhobo has the max amount of power and corruption allowed currently by the way.
 
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