VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[ItzSyther]

I mean... technically we still aren't really sure why she had such a violent reaction to Jake's mind control. Personally, I took that to imply that she's genetically pre-disposed to superhumanity. Maybe she's a potential heir to the 3rd (or was it the 4th?) and affecting her memory is a big deal for her.

Her reaction could have been a number of things:

Perhaps ol Mia simply had a medical condition that wasn't revealed...cause you know the MC and the player has seen her very few times and knows little of the screaming banshee.

Or Jake did wayyyy too much and it fucked Mia up big time (likely).

Could also be what you said with her being pre-disposed to suerhumanity...I mean like thats the whole point of the Eugenics shit HERO did but then again plenty of humans still have super bad reactions to 'supernatural fuckery' (Dave and Jared's goons as example).

But at any rate what I took from that scene was Jake just being a fool and simply did too much to the lil banshee and her lil mind couldn't handle it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Her reaction could have been a number of things:

Perhaps ol Mia simply had a medical condition that wasn't revealed...cause you know the MC and the player has seen her very few times and knows little of the screaming banshee.

Or Jake did wayyyy too much and it fucked Mia up big time (likely).

Could also be what you said with her being pre-disposed to suerhumanity...I mean like thats the whole point of the Eugenics shit HERO did but then again plenty of humans still have super bad reactions to 'supernatural fuckery' (Dave and Jared's goons as example).

But at any rate what I took from that scene was Jake just being a fool and simply did too much to the lil banshee and her lil mind couldn't handle it.

Yes, but recall she still had a violent reaction when MC and Jake (if you spared him) repaired her mind.

 

[ItzSyther]

Yes, but recall she still had a violent reaction when MC and Jake (if you spared him) repaired her mind.

I'm pretty sure anyone (human) would have a violent or bad reaction if they were having their mind literally fixed up and having their memories restored.

That doesn't really go in the favor of "OH SHIT SHE'S POTENTIALLY A SUPERHUMIE!" to me.

Does she still have the same violent reaction if its just MC?

I do wonder if Mia was on Ella's list of candidates but I doubt it since MC didn't mention her at all being on it when he saw it.

Edit: just hopped in to see if its the same. Her reaction is tame at best when MC fixes her up with some minor pain at least tellin by her reaction to it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I'm pretty sure anyone (human) would have a violent or bad reaction if they were having their mind literally fixed up and having their memories restored.

That doesn't really go in the favor of "OH SHIT SHE'S POTENTIALLY A SUPERHUMIE!" to me.

Does she still have the same violent reaction if its just MC?

I do wonder if Mia was on Ella's list of candidates but I doubt it since MC didn't mention her at all being on it when he saw it.

I don't have a save ready to see, so that would be a couple minutes of fast forwarding. Also I'm pretty sure Ella's list was mostly comprised of perfect or near-perfect matches.

 

[ItzSyther]

KingAgamemnon

Edit: just hopped in to see if its the same. Her reaction is tame at best when MC fixes her up with some minor pain at least tellin by her reaction to it.

This more or less confirms to me that Jake is the problem.

Whatever his power directly does to Mia fucks with her reallll bad which would explain why she'd have a violent outburst since his power is the one that put her in the position she was in.

MC's memory echo probably effects her mind in such a way that it doesn't trigger the same reaction Jake's does.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

KingAgamemnon

This more or less confirms to me that Jake is the problem.

Whatever his power directly does to Mia fucks with her reallll bad which would explain why she'd have a violent outburst since his power is the one that put her in the position she was in.

MC's memory echo probably effects her mind in such a way that it doesn't trigger the same reaction Jake's does.

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

 

[ItzSyther]

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

Don't forget the most important part of that scene...not Deryl or Mia but the fact Jake was about to undergo an evolution.

He, much like Mia doubled over in pain but he did it because of his evolution so perhaps his power had some of that evolutionary charge on it and it fucked with her badly.

Deryl, the reason why he didn't have any pain was because he wasn't on the receiving end of a evolutionary burst from Jake.

Mia however was.

IF jake is still alive and assists the MC that just tells me that Mia's mind remembers the feeling of Jake's power which means she remembers the pain hence her reaction.

It explains why the MC could do it without a big reaction to it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Don't forget the most important part of that scene...not Deryl or Mia but the fact Jake was about to undergo an evolution.

He, much like Mia doubled over in pain but he did it because of his evolution so perhaps his power had some of that evolutionary charge on it and it fucked with her badly.

Deryl, the reason why he didn't have any pain was because he wasn't on the receiving end of a evolutionary burst from Jake.

Mia however was.

IF jake is still alive and assists the MC that just tells me that Mia's mind remembers the feeling of Jake's power which means she remembers the pain hence her reaction.

It explains why the MC could do it without a big reaction to it.

Hm, not sure I totally agree with that reasoning for why the repair process still hurt Mia, but I don't really have a better argument to make.

 

[ItzSyther]

Hm, not sure I totally agree with that reasoning for why the repair process still hurt Mia, but I don't really have a better argument to make.

Lemme know when you have the time to play back to that scene if Jake is there to assist MC.

Because from what I saw (if MC consumes Jake) her reaction as I said prior is tame.

If Jake being there causes a reaction that just means he's the wild variable for her pain which reinforces my prior reasoning.

 

[bloodaxis]

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

It's possible it's just because she was way more fragile mentally to begin with.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

So, here's miarestore:

Mia "What do I have to do?"
You "Just sit still and stay calm. I'm about to start..."
play sound "audio/laser.mp3"
scene bonfire57 with dissolve
You "*deep breath* Memory Eccho-"
scene black with dissolve
stop music fadeout 3.0
"I cut lightly into Mia's hand, delivering my power with the wound."
"A surge of memories rush through me, into Mia."
"My own, and also what I've taken from Jake, the host of memories locked away inside me after I devoured him..."
"Everything we know of Mia, everything we've experienced with her."
"Those memories resonate inside her, surging towards the dark shadow left by Jake's command, the gaping cavaty in Mia's mind."
"Our memories flood and fill it, closing the gap and drawing out what was lost to her."
"Piece by piece, they're consumed and overtaken, by Mia's true memories, retrieved and restored from the fractured shadow, using our memories as a base to build off of."
"It takes several minutes, maybe even an hour, I'm not sure, it's difficult to percieve time from within Mia's memories. But once I am done, she is whole again, Mia once more."
scene bonfire1
show mia cry flip at left2
show bmc nt at right2
with dissolve
Mia "Urrghh..."
You "Mia? Do you remember?"

and here's jakemiarestore:

Jake "I order you Mia. Remember everything."
play sound "audio/mind.mp3"
scene bonfire55 with dissolve
Mia "A-AaaaAarrghh!!!"
Jake "I-It's not working, it's hurting her again!"
scene bonfire57 with dissolve
You "Step aside."
scene black with dissolve
stop music fadeout 2.0
You "*deep breath* Memory Echo-"
"I cut lightly into Mia's hand, delivering my power with the wound."
"A surge of memories rush through me, into Mia."
"My own, and also what I've taken from Jake as I grab his arm..."
"Everything we know of Mia, everything we've experienced with her."
"Those memories resonate inside her, latching on to the dark shadow dragged up by Jake's command, the gaping cavaty in Mia's mind."
"Our memories flood and fill it, closing the gap and drawing out what was lost to her."
"Piece by piece, they're consumed and overtaken, by Mia's true memories, retrieved and restored from the fractured shadow, using ours as a base to build off of."
"It takes several minutes, maybe even an hour, I'm not sure, it's difficult to perceive time from within Mia's memories. But once I am done, she is whole again, Mia once more."
Mia "Urrghh..."
"Mia wipes the blood from her nose with a groan. The process seems to have physically affected her, but it looks temporary, not a big deal."

Hmmm. You're right, there's no mention of pain if Jake isn't there. I'll need to think on this for a moment.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

It's possible it's just because she was way more fragile mentally to begin with.

I don't agree with this, cause it would seem to imply that the MC should also cause pain by mentally manipulating her, but that's not what happens.

Lemme know when you have the time to play back to that scene if Jake is there to assist MC.

Because from what I saw (if MC consumes Jake) her reaction as I said prior is tame.

If Jake being there causes a reaction that just means he's the wild variable for her pain which reinforces my prior reasoning.

I still think her being the only one to suffer pain due to Jake's commands is very strange, and I don't think Jake just being mid evolution is a good enough justification for it.

 

[KKStrider]

I always interpreted it as Jake ordering the erasure of too much memory. His passive powers seem to operate by burying a person's thoughts until they're just subconscious or rewriting the memory, but his active command seem to outright force someone's brain to delete it. Jess didn't react that way when ordered to forget something but it would likely only be getting rid of minutes for her. But Mia would have every stray moment where she thought about Ella's existence and Jake's powers purged from conscious and subconscious memory across days.

Considering the brain technically permanently reshapes itself every time it stores something in memory, with long term memory requiring bigger and more structurally significant changes, I can only imagine the kind of strain having a big chunk of your synaptic connections forced to break up and warp beyond all capacity by a supernatural foreign power would bring onto someone. It's not a slight twist or shuffle like misremembering something, small to medium subtle corruptions of old memories happen without you noticing everyday. Maybe you were fatter back then, maybe that shirt's the wrong shade of green, and in your head a shout or a whisper is equivalently loud. But to outright purge everything, wipe the slate clean and force the pieces to never be allowed to be whole again? I'd imagine it'd just be too much happening too fast.

 

[ItzSyther]

I don't agree with this, cause it would seem to imply that the MC should also cause pain by mentally manipulating her, but that's not what happens.


I still think her being the only one to suffer pain due to Jake's commands is very strange, and I don't think Jake just being mid evolution is a good enough justification for it.

Actually being mid evolution is a perfect justification for it.

Superhumans during any part of their jump to the next stage are heightened in their power. We see this with MC plenty of times.

So of course someone like Jake being mid evolution would deal some untold amount of damage to a target be it intentional or not.

The game backs me up on this. There is literally no other reason why Mia should be in pain if Jake is there, he's the variable to her pain. You can't just ignore that because its 'strange' lol.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Actually being mid evolution is a perfect justification for it.

Superhumans during any part of their jump to the next stage are heightened in their power. We see this with MC plenty of times.

So of course someone like Jake being mid evolution would deal some untold amount of damage to a target be it intentional or not.

The game backs me up on this. There is literally no other reason why Mia should be in pain if Jake is there, he's the variable to her pain. You can't just ignore that lol.

I mean, if the issue was Jake being mid-evolution, why did it hurt the second time? It just remembers it? That's what I find flimsy about it. Yeah, there's clearly something about Jake's powers causing Mia pain, but I don't think it's necessarily related to his evolution, at least not the second time.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I always interpreted it as Jake ordering the erasure of too much memory. His passive powers seem to operate by burying a person's thoughts until they're just subconscious or rewriting the memory, but his active command seem to outright force someone's brain to delete it. Jess didn't react that way when ordered to forget something but it would likely only be getting rid of minutes for her. But Mia would have every stray moment where she thought about Ella's existence and Jake's powers purged from conscious and subconscious memory across days.

Considering the brain technically permanently reshapes itself every time it stores something in memory, with long term memory requiring bigger and more structurally significant changes, I can only imagine the kind of strain having a big chunk of your synaptic connections forced to break up and warp beyond all capacity by a supernatural foreign power would bring onto someone. It's not a slight twist or shuffle like misremembering something, small to medium subtle corruptions of old memories happen without you noticing everyday. Maybe you were fatter back then, maybe that shirt's the wrong shade of green, and in your head a shout or a whisper is equivalently loud. But to outright purge everything, wipe the slate clean and force the pieces to never be allowed to be whole again? I'd imagine it'd just be too much happening too fast.

This is probably the best reasoning I've heard so far, it makes sense to me.

 

[ItzSyther]

I mean, if the issue was Jake being mid-evolution, why did it hurt the second time? It just remembers it? That's what I find flimsy about it. Yeah, there's clearly something about Jake's powers causing Mia pain, but I don't think it's necessarily related to his evolution, at least not the second time.

The most important thing you are overlooking is a key phrase Jake says

Jake "I order you Mia. Remember everything."

He said everything this includes the pain she underwent.

She remembered every little thing that happened even up to the pain and had a super bad reaction to it.

That basically explains it all.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

The most important thing you are overlooking is a key phrase Jake says

Jake "I order you Mia. Remember everything."

He said everything this includes the pain she underwent.

She remembered every little thing that happened even up to the pain and had a super bad reaction to it.

That basically explains it all.

I suppose.

 

[ItzSyther]

I suppose.

Yup. Shit is kinda funny tho. Jake went in there confident he could restore her and fucked it up anyway having to rely on MC.

He should of been more specific imo. It's like a genie's trickery with you having to be very specific in what you ask for.

 

[lg545]

3. And during said Battle of Diamonds, you'll see her fold when it was something that her power couldn't affect. Her helping Alice doesn't mean she's mentally tough all of a sudden.

Emm... if she was not - she could just run away and leave Alice behind. She stay and fought - that require courage and mental toughness

1. Yes, a couple of months. Laurie says so to the MC herself. Not sure what your point is here. This further proves my point anyway because Jake, MC, Alice and the others outpaced her and they had their powers for less time.

How it can prove anything? I mean - Danica get her lvl 2 couple days after she become Super Human. Is she better then MC who train his ass hard for month+ and get nothing (it took close to death battle against Klaus to evolve)?

No shit, but MC doesn't need that kind of support. Michael alone can do what Laurie does with his radiation. Only difference is, he can actually fight.

Well, what you say is stupid as hell. For example - could Michael stop regenerative abilities (make regenerate body way harder). Nope. Laurie can. And about her fighting skills - Michael could teach her, like he did with every one else

She doesn't have SIN nor HERO's backing...she's just human. She won't get no revenge on MC if he killed Jake and even if she gained powers she's effectively...useless. Yeah pretty much.

Was not she a science prodigy on Deryl lvl? I mean - she could be recruited as scientist in SIN