VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Gambit33]

It may be on the nose, but the dichotomy would be perfect. And speaking of powers supposedly not fitting their personalities, neither does Tiffany's if you pause for a moment and think about it. Tiffany is a cold manipulator who won't even look at you unless, like her, you also display a desire to pursue power and self-amelioration. Yet she's been granted light-based powers which for all her aggressive psychology influencing its development necessitates a reliance on others to be most effective in the form of support equipment and indirectly assists even her enemies by recharging their Monster Power. In contrast would be Claudia, a sweet woman who may be granted darkness-based powers. The powers stemming from the 7th's line we've seen so far have been primarily combat focused in utility, stripping others of their powers and being so effective even low Level superhumans sporting diluted genetics with fractions of 7th's lineage can effect Level 3s like the MC.

It may not supposedly match her personality, but it'd fit the juxtaposition between Tiffany and Claudia perfectly whilst also providing her some narrative wiggle room to become more than just the backup heiress there to help the real shining hope of Dexter's. Though if her psychology is suited for that is a whole other thing.

Actually, in my opinion at least, Tifannys powers fit her to a T, yes she is cold(arguable?) manipulator, essentially the poster child oh a machiavelian prince(ess).

A leader, organizer, (since that is what her father is grooming her for), someone who stays in the backline and directs. It is precisely her cold, dispassionate personality, ambition, drive, intelligence and work ethic that would make her a perfect strategist, bolstering the front line, analyzing the enemy and countering them.

It is also why I believe Michael would be a better team leader than the mc. He is a natural born strategist and tactician, couple that with his years of experience and ability to keep calm and focused in dire situations that would make him awesome as a leader.

 

[Netao_Da_Caxixola]

Actually, in my opinion at least, Tifannys powers fit her to a T, yes she is cold(arguable?) manipulator, essentially the poster child oh a machiavelian prince(ess).

A leader, organizer, (since that is what her father is grooming her for), someone who stays in the backline and directs. It is precisely her cold, dispassionate personality, ambition, drive, intelligence and work ethic that would make her a perfect strategist, bolstering the front line, analyzing the enemy and countering them.

It is also why I believe Michael would be a better team leader than the mc. He is a natural born strategist and tactician, couple that with his years of experience and ability to keep calm and focused in dire situations that would make him awesome as a leader.

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[Edvin]

By the way, all of humanity caps at C Class. Anything above it they can't stop with their weapons. A single A Class Monster can destroy the entire world by itself and even if they tried to kill it with the biggest nukes, it would survive while they all would die from the radiation and stuff. Also, current MC is ranked between 5 and 6 on that list above. For simplicity, I'll say 5.5 because in monster equivalence, he's B+ after reaching Level 3.

You are completely off.

Oskar was nearly killed by regular conventional weapons. And he was definitely one of the more durable even by Superhuman standards. And humans already have really good antimoster weapons, like those special cannons used in the big battle with the monsters.

Furthermore, a headshot with some powerful caliber or a strong enough explosion can kill even an S-class superhuman or similarly powerful monster. Unless you're a special class capable of instant regeneration (there aren't many of them) you won't survive severe brain damage. Superhumans may be stronger, faster, and much more durable than humans, but they still have human anatomy (at least most of them). They cannot function without a brain or without a heart.

And nuclear weapons are capable of easily eliminating most monsters and Superhumans.

But it is counterproductive. If it's a level monster you'd be able to kill with a nuke, then it's not worth wasting something like that on someone so weak. There would have to be a lot of them together to justify it. On the other hand, if it's a monster that you wouldn't be able to kill even using a nuke, then there's no point in using it.

 

[Dipasimaan]

You are completely off.

Oskar was nearly killed by regular conventional weapons. And he was definitely one of the more durable even by Superhuman standards. And humans already have really good antimoster weapons, like those special cannons used in the big battle with the monsters.

Furthermore, a headshot with some powerful caliber or a strong enough explosion can kill even an S-class superhuman or similarly powerful monster. Unless you're a special class capable of instant regeneration (there aren't many of them) you won't survive severe brain damage. Superhumans may be stronger, faster, and much more durable than humans, but they still have human anatomy (at least most of them). They cannot function without a brain or without a heart.

And nuclear weapons are capable of easily eliminating most monsters and Superhumans.

But it is counterproductive. If it's a level monster you'd be able to kill with a nuke, then it's not worth wasting something like that on someone so weak. There would have to be a lot of them together to justify it. On the other hand, if it's a monster that you wouldn't be able to kill even using a nuke, then there's no point in using it.

Buddy, you are the one that's way too off.
Firstly, Oscar was a low-level superhuman, yeah he was pretty durable but just being able to punch a bit higher than his weight class, though he definitively was not one of the most durable.
Secondly, Drako was talking about simple humans with simple human weapons, he was intentionally not considering the high-tech stuff provided by monster material. Btw you might need to replay the entire game 'cause a simple headshot, even with an high caliber isn't nearly enough to hurt a 5 lv superhuman or a S-class monster.
It was stated in the game at least one time how a nuclear weapon is sufficient under a certain class (which I don't quite remember now but it isn't very high).

Remember that 5 lv superhumans are easily capable of destroying the world, obviously there are specifics and exceptions, but in general the simple and weak humans don't really have much of an hope

 

[lorkdubo]

You are completely off.

Oskar was nearly killed by regular conventional weapons. And he was definitely one of the more durable even by Superhuman standards. And humans already have really good antimoster weapons, like those special cannons used in the big battle with the monsters.

Furthermore, a headshot with some powerful caliber or a strong enough explosion can kill even an S-class superhuman or similarly powerful monster. Unless you're a special class capable of instant regeneration (there aren't many of them) you won't survive severe brain damage. Superhumans may be stronger, faster, and much more durable than humans, but they still have human anatomy (at least most of them). They cannot function without a brain or without a heart.

And nuclear weapons are capable of easily eliminating most monsters and Superhumans.

But it is counterproductive. If it's a level monster you'd be able to kill with a nuke, then it's not worth wasting something like that on someone so weak. There would have to be a lot of them together to justify it. On the other hand, if it's a monster that you wouldn't be able to kill even using a nuke, then there's no point in using it.

Nuclear weapons are not even capable of killing the A-class monster that Bernhardt killed for example.
Dexter Milken: "Won't do much good, I Fear. Even to an ordinary mountain, a nuclear bomb would do precious little, you'd have to launch hundreds"
That's what Dexter says when he is talking to the Supreme PM.
It was the M17: Himavat, the rock thing that was bigger that a mountain.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Buddy, you are the one that's way too off.
Firstly, Oscar was a low-level superhuman, yeah he was pretty durable but just being able to punch a bit higher than his weight class but he definitively was not one of the most durable.
Secondly, Drako was talking about simple humans with simple human weapons, he was intentionally not consindering the high-tech stuff provided by monster material. Btw you might need to replay the entire game 'cause a simple headshot, even with an high caliber isn't nearly enough to hurt a 5 lv superhuman or a S-class monster.
It was stated in the game at least one time how a nuclear weapon is sufficient under a certain class (which I don't quite remember now but it isn't very high).

Remember that 5 lv superhumans are easily capable of destroying the world, obviously there are specifics and exceptions, but in general the simple and weak humans don't really have much of an hope

My brother in Mommy 4th, you did a good job responding because it would've got real ugly in here if I did.

 

[Edvin]

Remember that 5 lv superhumans are easily capable of destroying the world, obviously there are specifics and exceptions, but in general the simple and weak humans don't really have much of an hope

It was also said that level 3 is the level where you already know practically everything you can do and you only get better at it at the next levels. Not all Superhumans and not all Monsters are specialized in direct combat. For example, Jake. It doesn't really matter if he is lvl 1 or lvl 5. If you take a really sharp katana and cut his head off, he'll die. This is true of almost all Superhumans.

Of course, there can be Monsters or Superhumans that have such strong regeneration or such a hard body that they are almost invulnerable by conventional means. They are truly a threat to the entire world, especially if they have the ability to cause destruction on a large scale. But such are the minimum even among S-classes. For example, as far as I know, MC is still the strongest regenerator we've been introduced to.

It really seems to me that some people here think that once Superhumans reach level 5, they become indestructible Supermans...

 

[Dipasimaan]

My brother in Mommy 4th, you did a good job responding because it would've got real ugly in here if I did.

 

[Dipasimaan]

It was also said that level 3 is the level where you already know practically everything you can do and you only get better at it at the next levels. Not all Superhumans and not all Monsters are specialized in direct combat. For example, Jake. It doesn't really matter if he is lvl 1 or lvl 5. If you take a really sharp katana and cut his head off, he'll die. This is true of almost all Superhumans.

Of course, there can be Monsters or Superhumans that have such strong regeneration or such a hard body that they are almost invulnerable by conventional means. They are truly a threat to the entire world, especially if they have the ability to cause destruction on a large scale. But such are the minimum even among S-classes. For example, as far as I know, MC is still the strongest regenerator we've been introduced to.

It really seems to me that some people here think that once Superhumans reach level 5, they become indestructible Supermans...

The 3rd level is where a superhuman unlocks his cap and could potentially grow in power in an infinite way, it's the 4th level where one unlocks all of their abilities or so is said.
If Jake could reach the 5th level you surely couldn't reach him with a katana and neither cut him down with it; firstly he will have a passive mental barrier that renders impossible for any human to go near him with hostile intentions, secondly at the 5th level, even if just evolved, he has the body so naturally reinforced that a simple katana or even a sniper almost point-blank range couldn't hurt him in the slightest

We think that superhumans that reach the level 5 become nigh indestructible simply because it's like that, stated multiple times and even if it wasn't clearly said it's just obvious how is that the case

 

[Edvin]

We think that superhumans that reach the level 5 become nigh indestructible simply because it's like that, stated and even if it wasn't clearly said it's just obvious how is that the case

In the mall MC can be killed by a couple of regular military grenades.
He is at level 3 at the time.

I don't deny that even a lvl 5 who has practically no useful combat abilities would be really durable and, for example, a hit from ordinary firearms would cause him no damage. But you still don't realize that they are still largely humans.

You need to eat, drink, sleep and breathe air. Powerful explosions can still hurt you. And high caliber special penetrating ammo can hurt you too. You would probably take a lot of hits before going down, but you would eventually go down.

If Jake could reach the 5th level you surely couldn't reach him with a katana and neither cut him down with it; firstly he will have a passive mental barrier that renders impossible for any human to go near him with hostile intentions, secondly at the 5th level, even if just evolved, he has the body so naturally reinforced that a simple katana or even a sniper almost point-blank range couldn't hurt him in the slightest.

The joke is that both Superhumans and Monsters usually compensate for their weaknesses somehow. They are usually too fast, have protective barriers, armor or special power and just won't let you hit them with anything that could seriously hurt them. The fact that you COULD kill them in a certain way does not mean that you will be able to.

It's their abilities that are a threat to this world, not their resistance to being killed.

 

[Wolf14]

New update when?

 

[Dipasimaan]

In the mall MC can be killed by a couple of regular military grenades.
He is at level 3 at the time.

I don't deny that even a lvl 5 who has practically no useful combat abilities would be really durable and, for example, a hit from ordinary firearms would cause him no damage. But you still don't realize that they are still largely humans.

You need to eat, drink, sleep and breathe air. Powerful explosions can still hurt you. And high caliber special penetrating ammo can hurt you too. You would probably take a lot of hits before going down, but you would eventually go down.

The joke is that both Superhumans and Monsters usually compensate for their weaknesses somehow. They are usually too fast, have protective barriers, armor or special power and just won't let you hit them with anything that could seriously hurt them. The fact that you COULD kill them in a certain way does not mean that you will be able to.

It's their abilities that are a threat to this world, not their resistance to being killed.

No, there are a lot of wrong things here. Superhumans are not Humans, even if they were named like this, they are all simply other specific species that look-alike to humans. The very first evolution, when you're being transformed from a human to a superhuman, is called "Rebirth" stage.
When a superhuman reaches the 4th level, named the "Limit Breaker" stage, he stops needing to eat, sleep, dring and even breathe air and powerful explosions under a very high threshold can't hurt superhumans of a high level.

Their abilities are modelled after their bodies and viceversa so they are their abilities

 

[Dipasimaan]

New update when?

Jk, we don't know with certainity but it should come out this week, at least we hope so

 

[Edvin]

Superhumans are not Humans, even if they were named like this, they are all simply other specific species that look-alike to humans. The very first evolution, when you're being transformed from a human to a superhuman, is called "Rebirth" stage

Not true, if you give Deryl your blood at the beginning of the game, he will tell you that it is still human blood, just "better" in every way. You are still "human", or at least an extremely advanced version of it.

When a superhuman reaches the 4th level, named the "Limit Breaker" stage, he stops needing to eat, sleep, dring and even breathe air and powerful explosions under a very high threshold can't hurt superhumans of a high level.

And that's why you can come across captains eating large portions in a cantyte, and even Ela will recommend you to eat well before a fight, as it will affect the effectiveness of your fighting skills...

I guess that also explains why the raven monster (which was very high level) was eating human hearts...
And in general, why do all monsters, regardless of level, eat people.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Not true, if you give Deryl your blood at the beginning of the game, he will tell you that it is still human blood, just "better" in every way. You are still "human", or at least an extremely advanced version of it.



And that's why you can come across captains eating large portions in a cantyte, and even Ela will recommend you to eat well before a fight, as it will affect the effectiveness of your fighting skills...

I guess that also explains why the raven monster (which was very high level) was eating human hearts...
And in general, why do all monsters, regardless of level, eat people.

Bro why are you blinding yourself on purpose and even being sarcastic when I'm just here trying to make you understand better.

Deryl will tell you with his little knowledge on the matter that you basically made so many evolutionary steps that you have gone past the human species and just evolved from that into a totally different one. Btw with every evolution this distance between your original human self and the "upgraded" version widens by a lot.

I said that the need to do those things isn't there but it's not like you can deny Malik his turkey or whatever the fuck he eats. It's obvious that if you want energy to use it's much more simple to gather it by eating, sleeping and drinking but those at 5th level do it more for the pleasure in doing it as they've got an energy pool so vast that whatever you can acquire from some steak it's pretty trivial to them.
And don't confuse yourself, Ella said that to the MC when he was level 2 not level 4

 

[Dipasimaan]

Edvin If you will persevere with all this nonsense just know that you've got me tired of trying to explain basic shit to you, so I will not reply anymore, at least not for a while

 

[Edvin]

Btw with every evolution this distance between your original human self and the "upgraded" version widens by a lot.

I agree with that, but the foundation you are building on is still human.
You just improve it and evolving it in every possible way.

I think you fundamentally don't understand what I'm trying to tell you.
Genetic changes are one thing, but Superhumans are still "technically" human.

They have two arms just like humans, they have two legs just like humans and they have identical internal organs.
Although they are better and more developed in everything, they are still human from the "technical" point of view.
From a practical point of view, they probably couldn't be considered humans anymore.

Wel, maybe some kind of... Superhumans.

I said that the need to do those things isn't there but it's not like you can deny Malik his turkey or whatever the fuck he eats. It's obvious that if you want energy to use it's much more simple to gather it by eating, sleeping and drinking but those at 5th level do it more for the pleasure in doing it as they've got an energy pool so vast that whatever you can acquire from some steak it's pretty trivial to them. And don't confuse yourself, Ella said that to the MC when he was level 2 not level 4.

Even huge energy pool it's not infinite, especially when it comes to fighting an opponent of the same level as you.

Logically, you then have to rest and replenish your strength. Do you know a more effective way than eating and sleeping? Plus, even Superhumans have stomachs. And I don't know if you've noticed, but when your stomach is empty, it's an uncomfortable feeling. Would a Superhuman be able to survive for very long time without food or rest? Definitely yes. Would they be able to survive indefinitely? Definitely not.

Edvin If you will persevere with all this nonsense just know that you've got me tired of trying to explain basic shit to you, so I will not reply anymore, at least not for a while

Please avoid arrogant comments where you imply that you understand things that were not explicitly stated in the game better than the game creator. We can only theorize based on the information we have, nothing is certain and until explicitly stated otherwise, all opinions have equal weight. Let's be polite and respect different opinions.

 

[Gtdead]

You are completely off.

Oskar was nearly killed by regular conventional weapons. And he was definitely one of the more durable even by Superhuman standards. And humans already have really good antimoster weapons, like those special cannons used in the big battle with the monsters.

Furthermore, a headshot with some powerful caliber or a strong enough explosion can kill even an S-class superhuman or similarly powerful monster. Unless you're a special class capable of instant regeneration (there aren't many of them) you won't survive severe brain damage. Superhumans may be stronger, faster, and much more durable than humans, but they still have human anatomy (at least most of them). They cannot function without a brain or without a heart.

And nuclear weapons are capable of easily eliminating most monsters and Superhumans.

But it is counterproductive. If it's a level monster you'd be able to kill with a nuke, then it's not worth wasting something like that on someone so weak. There would have to be a lot of them together to justify it. On the other hand, if it's a monster that you wouldn't be able to kill even using a nuke, then there's no point in using it.

You need to reread anything related to how power rankings work in the game. You have confused the HERO Threat Ranks with Superhuman levels and you base your assumptions on erroneous data. For example Oscar is sub-level 1, and MC during the mall event is level 2, not level 3.

Human or monster-based human tehnology are incapable of killing either A/S Class monsters or Level 5 Superhumans. Nuclear weapons are not capable of eliminating the stronger monsters and Superhumans.

All these things have been explained in the game. They aren't speculation or a matter of debate.

 

[Dipasimaan]

You need to reread anything related to how power rankings work in the game. You have confused the HERO Threat Ranks with Superhumans levels and you base your assumptions on erroneous data. For example Oscar is sub-level 1, and MC during the mall event is level 2, not level 3.

Human or monster-based human tehnology are incapable of killing either A/S Class monsters or Level 5 Superhumans. Nuclear weapons are not capable of eliminating the stronger monsters and Superhumans.

All these things have been explained in the game. They aren't speculation or a matter of debate.

Brother, don't strain yourself. I tried for a very long time and came out of it with an headache so just ignore it for your mental sake

 

[ConsciouslyCrazy]

Always nice to see the Threadmasters destroying with arguments someone who is DEAD WRONG