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Edvin

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Human or monster-based human technology are incapable of killing either A/S Class monsters or Level 5 Superhumans. Nuclear weapons are not capable of eliminating the stronger monsters and Superhumans.
That is of course true.

But strongest does not equal most durable or hardest to kill.
It makes a big difference if you hit an A-class monster with extremely thick skin and the size of a mountain with an nuke, or if nuke explodes in the direct vicinity of a human-sized monster.

After all, you can't be so naive as to say that it won't have any effect on that monster and that it won't cause any harm.

P.S.
Unlike some local commentators, I'm not arrogant enough to admit I'm wrong.
If someone shows me some text from the game that directly contradicts what I said, I will admit that I am wrong.
But if such a text does not exist, then my opinion has no less value than yours.
We're all just talking theoretically here.
 
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Gtdead

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That is of course true.

But strongest does not equal most durable or hardest to kill.
It makes a big difference if you hit an A-class monster with extremely thick skin and the size of a mountain with an nuke, or if nuke explodes in the direct vicinity of a human-sized monster.

After all, you can't be so naive as to say that it won't have any effect on that monster and that it won't cause any harm.
Technically it doesn't. You are looking at it from a physics perspective. It doesn't work that way. Superhuman (level 3 and higher) and Monster bodies are augmented by monster power. It's not the material properties which makes them so tough, it's literally monster magic. And while it's possible to cause some harm, it's insignificant. Nico for example transported so much Lava that it literally boiled a whole lake in an instant and the best that attack managed to do was to get it inside the Asura's eyes, blinding it (probably temporarily) and that thing was already wounded (more wounds = less power = less durability).

Perhaps a certain type of superhuman who is physically weak may be "wounded" by a barrage of nuclear explosions assuming that it's possible to even succesfully attack him, but even that doesn't mean that this is a Lose condition. Ella is physically weak, and she survived a direct Sun blast and completely shrugged off Malik's heat wave which was so powerful that broke reality. All the nuclear arsenal of the world isn't capable of delivering such powerful attacks.

The reasons Superhumans get wounded in the first place is because Monster power is involved in the attacks. For example Ella can summon some spikes to wound Nico which make her seem extremely prone to physical damage. However Nico can survive the vacuum of space. In the latest update MC attacks Eisheth with his strongest slashing attack, which literally sends her through the floor, and the narrator says that he only managed to break her skin. So it's obvious that our physics model does not work in this case (and this is important because WW tends to stay fairly consistent when describing the various effects). There is absolutely no assumption that can be made other than what is stated as absolute fact in the game or it's an argument made by an authority figure which we can safely assume has tested his assumptions.

So if Xanthe says that human technology is incapable of harming a level 5 superhuman, even one with the worst possible ability, and that his monster-based weaponry does not work on A Class and higher, then that's that. (A Class monsters are insects compared to level 5 Superhumans).
 
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Dipasimaan

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P.S.
Unlike some local commentators, I'm not arrogant enough to admit I'm wrong.
If someone shows me some text from the game that directly contradicts what I said, I will admit that I am wrong.
But if such a text does not exist, then my opinion has no less value than yours.
We're all just talking theoretically here.
Yours are opinions and theories while mine and GtDead's are simply stated truths
Now I don't want to go through the whole game just to prove a point over a stupid debate online, even more because there are so many dialogues all throughout the game that confirms all of what we are saying
 

myst0501

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Would a Superhuman be able to survive for very long time without food or rest? Definitely yes. Would they be able to survive indefinitely? Definitely not.
Xanthe: "But it's no replacement for a true evolution, as I will now explain. The fourth evolution, the limit breaker stage."
Xanthe: "As the name suggests this evolution is the one you want to achieve to break all human limitations, as well as some of the limitations of your powers."
Xanthe: "You will no longer need to eat, drink or even breathe to survive, though doing so does still provide some benefits."
 
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Edvin

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Technically it doesn't. You are looking at it from a physics perspective. It doesn't work that way. Superhuman and Monster bodies are augmented by monster power. It's not the material properties which makes them so tough, it's literally monster magic.
I'm not sure you can look at it that way.
For example, MC abilities are based on physical laws. No magic.
Well, at least Weir World explains it all according to the rules of the laws of physics.
MC power works on a cellular level and is logically weak against electricity as it causes the solid bond between his cells to break down.

And I think you are underestimating the power of an nuke explosion in close proximity.
It's not just the high temperature and radiation, but also the pressure that will tear everything apart.

Even Superman is injured and weakened after the nuke blast.
2-3 nuke blasts and you would be able to kill him.

Saying that all A and S classes are automatically more durable than Superman seems a bit too much to me.
 

Dipasimaan

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I'm not sure you can look at it that way.
For example, MC abilities are based on physical laws. No magic.
Well, at least Weir World explains it all according to the rules of the laws of physics.
MC power works on a cellular level and is logically weak against electricity as it causes the solid bond between his cells to break down.

And I think you are underestimating the power of an nuke explosion in close proximity.
It's not just the high temperature and radiation, but also the pressure that will tear everything apart.

Even Superman is injured and weakened after the nuke blast.
2-3 nuke blasts and you would be able to kill him.

Saying that all A and S classes are automatically more durable than Superman seems a bit too much to me.
Bro what shitty version of superman have you picked up for this impossible comparison as the universes have absolutely different power systems
 

Edvin

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Xanthe: "But it's no replacement for a true evolution, as I will now explain. The fourth evolution, the limit breaker stage."
Xanthe: "As the name suggests this evolution is the one you want to achieve to break all human limitations, as well as some of the limitations of your powers."
Xanthe: "You will no longer need to eat, drink or even breathe to survive, though doing so does still provide some benefits."
True, but not completely. Our favorite teleportation girl is proof of that.
The range of her teleportation is limited, and although she can survive in a vacuum, she must never use more than half of her power to teleport herself to space, otherwise she would not be able to return, as she has no way to replenish her power in space. I think the point is that you don't need these things to survive, but you still need them to replenish your strength. So "technically" you still need them.
 

Edvin

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Bro what shitty version of superman have you picked up for this impossible comparison as the universes have absolutely different power systems
Just a DC movie that is considered by many to be the best DC movie of all time.
;)



P.S.
We obviously have a different opinion on the fundamental workings of the entire Superhuman universe. I understand it as something that is still subject to the laws of physics, but it seems that most people here lean more towards the world of magic.
 

Gtdead

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I'm not sure you can look at it that way.
For example, MC abilities are based on physical laws. No magic.
Not anymore. That was true in his level 1 and level 2 career where almost every fighting scene had sound mechanics. Nowadays he breaks the laws of physics in pretty much every scene.
1) He can propel himself midair to Mach 9.
2) His bare hands can punch harder than a tank shell.
3) He can balance himself in the air while holding a scythe with ridiculous torque.
4) He is capable of creating monster materials, something that he couldn't do as a level 2.
5) He can "freeze" matter.

Level 3 is a game changer and we see the effects that were described by both Xanthe and Ella. Both agree that only past a certain level the laws of physics start becoming suggestions instead.
 
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Always funny to see someone so pathetic who would create a second account just to support their own arguments...
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
I have been here lurking since the Jake update. Ed, I have seen you using your eyes to read only what is convenient to you and the theories inside that useless thing you call head. You're on the same level of the guy who said a level 1/2 would beat a level 3 with preparation. Even that moron who was preaching about fem MC from the start is more likeable than you. I have seen multiple occasions where you were so annoying that people would rather give up than keep discussing with you.
 

myst0501

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For example, MC abilities are based on physical laws. No magic.
Well, at least Weir World explains it all according to the rules of the laws of physics.
Xanthe: "There seems to be a more... mystical side, to the powers these monsters, and by extension you superhumans, possess."
Xanthe: "An alien energy source, a power that is not so easily replicated through science, despite our efforts."
 

Dipasimaan

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Just a DC movie that is considered by many to be the best DC movie of all time.
;)



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We obviously have a different opinion on the fundamental workings of the entire Superhuman universe. I understand it as something that is still subject to the laws of physics, but it seems that most people here lean more towards the world of magic.
Yeah most people like that same characters in the game, who keeps saying to the MC that apart from physics there exists a supernatural force that has of course some laws but we don't have enough information about it to determine them
 
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Edvin

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I have been here lurking since the Jake update.
Sure thing. You've been here for months and you decided to create your account just today and post your first comment here within minutes of creating it. That doesn't look suspicious at all.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Please don't embarrass yourself anymore, it's painful to watch.
 
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Sure thing. You've been here for months and you decided to create your account just today and post your first comment here within minutes of creating it. That doesn't look suspicious at all.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Please don't embarrass yourself anymore, it's painful to watch.
Once more you only read what is convenient to you damn Ed. if someone searched for the definition of talking to a wall in the dictionary they would find your picture right next to it, i have been here for 2 years had nothing to do and the insomnia was hitting (4PM around here right now) so i wanted to mess around a bit i knew you would make me crack up being your old usual self it's actually crazy that you believe in everything you write so follow that advice and stop talking out of your ass after being rebutted :sleep:.
 

Edvin

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Yeah most people like that same characters in the game, who keeps saying to the MC that apart from physics there exists a supernatural force that has of course some laws but we don't have enough information about it to determine them
I personally like Superhuman precisely because Weir World takes care of the details and does a good job of explaining all the "supernatural stuff" using science and physical laws. As mentioned by myst0501 the only thing we haven't been able to uncover yet is the source of this power. But how individual abilities work can in 90% of cases be explained using physics. Weird World itself explains it all like this. "Because of monster magic" would be just lazy writing incompatible with Weir World.
 

Edvin

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Once more you only read what is convenient to you damn Ed. if someone searched for the definition of talking to a wall in the dictionary they would find your picture right next to it, i have been here for 2 years had nothing to do and the insomnia was hitting (4PM around here right now) so i wanted to mess around a bit i knew you would make me crack up being your old usual self it's actually crazy that you believe in everything you write so follow that advice and stop talking out of your ass after being rebutted :sleep:.
Sure thing buddy, sure thing...
:ROFLMAO:

P.S.
Did you know that anyone can see when your account was created, when your first post was, and how many posts you've made? ;)
 

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I personally like Superhuman precisely because Weir World takes care of the details and does a good job of explaining all the "supernatural stuff" using science and physical laws. As mentioned by myst0501 the only thing we haven't been able to uncover yet is the source of this power. But how individual abilities work can in 90% of cases be explained using physics. Weird World itself explains it all like this. "Because of monster magic" would be just lazy writing incompatible with Weir World.

myst0501 gave you the quotes you asked for and are still doubling down? I'm just confused as I've seen numerous lines stating that none of this monster stuff is within the realm of scientific possibility. It's not lazy if it has been stated since the very beginning.
 

Edvin

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I'm just confused as I've seen numerous lines stating that none of this monster stuff is within the realm of scientific possibility. It's not lazy if it has been stated since the very beginning.
That's one way of looking at it. I can definitely understand why someone might feel that way.
But personally, I think that Weird World did such a good job in explaining, that everything can be understood even within the limits of the laws of physics, and that's what makes the game so great. Well, at least it all makes sense to me personally.
 

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That's one way of looking at it. I can definitely understand why someone might feel that way.
But personally, I think that Weird World did such a good job in explaining, that everything can be understood even within the limits of the laws of physics, and that's what makes the game so great. Well, at least it all makes sense to me personally.
im not a math matician nd idc tht much but i did some quick maths the other day and atleast all the physical lvl5 characters are around 1million times stronger than a average human, you can go off and calc how many jules etc that is if you want to find out at around what point they would start casually tanking nukes
 
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