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New Claudia really helped. I'll concede all of my points in an instant if it somehow increases her scenes!Watch closely kids. On the posts before mine, you can see the effects of a near update on the members of the thread. On one side you have GT, who is already used to the anticipation; that's why his mind can't be affected and he is fully lucid on the other side... I will refrain from commenting since I don't want to repeat the accident from two days ago. Now what does all of this mean? You may be asking well, the truth is, I don't know. The only thing I know is...
WE NEED THIS UPDATE RIGHT FUCKING NOW! WW LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO US
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We are almost there brother, and i'm sure she will be getting much more scenes now that she is a supes tooNew Claudia really helped. I'll concede all of my points in an instant if it somehow increases her scenes!
I think both of these arguments(?) are correct depending on the situation/SuperHuman or there is a middle ground where both aspects co-exist leaving enough room for both science and magicThe premises are
Mine: The effects are inherently mundane and can be augmented with magic.
Yours: The effects are inherently magical and have the potential to be mundane.
Pretty much every interaction has both a magical and a realistic component. While I'm hard pressed to find a effect that can't be mapped to an actual or theoretical scientific concept, I can't possibly contest that point. For example the Authority, Memory, Dark and Deryl's specific brand of Creation effects are iffy. I can try to fit them into realistic concepts but there's not much point in doing so unless the game gives me a reason to.I think both of these arguments(?) are correct depending on the situation/SuperHuman or there is a middle ground where both aspects co-exist leaving enough room for both science and magic
Hey man what's up? nice to have you hereamazing game with a shit ton of content and great story, i have two questions though
1. will some of the older sprites get updated to newer ones in future updates, the age really shows on sprites like Christies, Liz and Ellas compared to newer ones
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No, let the Foxglove twins stay human, we don't need more pointless drama. Let the MC manage to save them from being abducted.At this point we are treading in a bit of unknown territory. MC had too much trouble versus the Twins. Yes Devana can't really do much to him, but Evander can and a level 2 shouldn't have such an easy time going against a level 3.
2) Foxglove Twins getting merged into a Superbeing, permanent or not.
The Fusion scenario was one of the first wild theories since we got confirmation that this is the "Twins Arc". It's also a cool way to avoid the time problem. It will be a new and exciting variable, with the potential to be formidable without going through the usual steps.
The Foxgove twins are shown as being the exact opposite. One is haphazard and extremely talented, the other is extremely dilligent but an underachiever in comparison. One is cold the other is hot etc.
And I think that this is why the fusion theory is so exciting. Because they have the potential to complete each other.
What I understand from this quote is this:MC from Deadend37 said:"It feels better, but still oh so confined. I don't like this place; I don't like it at all."
"It's part of me, born from me, and yet still.... I can't abide it."
"But I must, there is more I need to do here. Someone I need to see. Their chosen."
You "WherRe.."
The only rational thought I can make here is that Aglaecwif refers to Jake. He fits the description perfectly so it's a fairly safe assumption.Aglaecwif said:Female "As for what power could be considered the greatest.... Hmm, I'd wager you're hoping I'd say your own, correct?"
You "...."
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Female "Hmhm, I'm also tempted to say mine own as well. But..."
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Female "Perhaps Order, would be the greatest power of all, taking the energy required to make full use of it out of the equation."
You "Order? What is that?"
Female "The power to command all things. To structure all things. To write the laws that govern the universe and to have both the Power and the Authority to enforce them."
Female "I've never personally met a being, human or monster that has acquired it since the origin, although..."
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Female "I did, not long ago, hear talk of a potential inheritor, one your Ella had high hopes for. Though it seems to have ended in a failure. A weak mind can ruin even the greatest potential."
I think you made a mistake presuming that things in this universe are split into basic reality and it's modifications. Exact opposite is true: 6 or 12 energies/concepts are the starting point with mundane and normal stuff as a muddled byproduct.The game gives us enough breadcrumps to piece together a cosmological theory. We don't have to create our own threads to follow. We can theorize based on the script. This is my attempt, based on things that happen in the game. I won't say that I'm correct but I think my proposition has a solid foundation and I welcome any discussion on my analysis of the written word. 0.95 was a huge lore dump and after 500 pages we still feel the aftereffects.
What I understand from this quote is this:
That's the Eye saying that his surroundings are born from him and part of him. The Eye is the Arbiter of Matter, his children are Body (Mass) and Memory (Structure). He is the one who created everything that the inhabitants of this universe can touch.
So the implication is that any matter that exists in the game, a common rock or a biological organism, is built from something that he created. But why does it suffocate him? Because following the logic that I will explain later, he is only the matter, not the purpose. He does not decide what others will make of his creations.
The rock, the cave, the tree, the human, are creations of another Arbiter, probably the one associated with Creation (6th Arbiter)
This feed into the good old theory that the Arbiters are the creators of the universe. Aglaecwif hints at it,
The only rational thought I can make here is that Aglaecwif refers to Jake. He fits the description perfectly so it's a fairly safe assumption.
Jake is the spawn of Authority. So if Jake is to inherit Order, it means that it's connected to the First Arbiter.
Now we can create a cosmological theory of the universe:
The First is hinted to be the one that determines the laws of the universe.
The Second is hinted to be the creator of all matter.
And the other Origins affect their respective portfolio.
This also allows us to theorize why Superhumans are capable of impossible feats. If Order is a power, then it can be countered, nullified or overwhelmed.
So to summarize:
There exist very strong indications that everything in the universe is the result of Divine Beings (Arbiters) applying their power.
This means that this Universe wasn't created from a Big Bang or some process that we can conceptualize scientifically, but from some sort of Magic. This Magic created EVERYTHING in this Universe.
The notion is fairly similar to the religious cosmological ideas, but I won't open this can of worms.
-- This is not a fact, it's an assumption. An educated one but an assumption none the less. It may turn out to be wrong so I don't claim correctness, I just claim that opposing opinions need to account for the information found in these quotes.
Now I don't know how various people define mundane, but the simple truth is that if literally every existing object is magical, then no object is magical.
So I define the process by which everything was created as magical and the effects of these processes as mundane.
If something which is supposed to be mundane, doesn't behave as expected, then it seems that some magical process is involved to alter it or "enchant" it but we can't assume that it changes it's fundamental qualities unless explicitly stated.
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Are you refering to the split between the "process" and the "object"?I think you made a mistake presuming that things in this universe are split into basic reality and it's modifications. Exact opposite is true: 6 or 12 energies/concepts are the starting point with mundane and normal stuff as a muddled byproduct.
You treat normal universe as a ground zero to measure reality. "Magic" lightning produced by Met is capable of charge kinesis not because it was modified/enchanted, but because it's more primal and free from interference from other apostles. Mundane exist on the intersection of all original energies, and is secondary in nature.Are you refering to the split between the "process" and the "object"?
I use an approach similar to religion for this:
Think of it like the ideas of Christianity for example:
The god creates everything, which is a "magical" process.
The objects he created are real and mundane.
Just because the God made a rock, it doesn't mean that we can expect this rock to behave in any way that is not consistent with our understanding. If it does, like for example if it starts defying gravity for some unexplained reason, then it's a miracle (another "magical" process).
If you didn't refer to this then I missed your point. Care to elaborate?
Assuming that I understand your premise correctly, yes, I don't support the idea that something can be free from the framework created by the divine beings, at least not with significant effort which is probably beyond Met at this point. The main reason is the description of the "Order" power and my assumption that it's the power of the FIrst Arbiter.You treat normal universe as a ground zero to measure reality. "Magic" lightning produced by Met is capable of charge kinesis not because it was modified/enchanted, but because it's more primal and free from interference from other apostles. Mundane exist on the intersection of all original energies, and is secondary in nature.
I was pointing out precisely that hierarchy, but without the suppression part.Assuming that I understand your premise correctly, yes, I don't support the idea that something can be free from the framework created by the divine beings, at least not with significant effort which is probably beyond Met at this point. The main reason is the description of the "Order" power and my assumption that it's the power of the FIrst Arbiter.
We know that there exists a thing called "Higher Plane" which is probably something like the home of gods. Additionally we know that Apostles can't fully manifest in the "Lower Plane" but it's obvious that they can apply their power, creating those avatars. So we see a mechanism for Divine Beings inhabiting the Higher Plane, to shape the "Lower Plane".
WIthout getting into a chicken & egg argument, I notice a hierarchical structure. Something created the Higher Plane and something that inhabits it created the "Lower Plane". So everything existing in the Lower Plane works by the rules of it's creators (which is both a joint effort and we can also observe an order of dependency), unless a significantly strong individual or someone who pulls power directly from the higher plane, or some other edge case, is capable of suppressing these rules momentarily (that's the closest I can get to your idea of "primal" as I understand it).
So in Met's case, I find it more likely that the effect is the result of applying a specific type of magic that comes directly from his Lineage and perhaps assisted by a mundane interaction, than somehow being free from interference / working outside of the divine framework.
I don't know. I think it's not the full twin's arc but as it's a 3 month update it should be the same size as the previous one so it's a big update. I think he also going more slowly toward the 1.0 version as he wants to be in a certain part of the story before reaching that number.v 0.975 beta is out.....will it be a 2 part update?