Dipasimaan

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but Shen is still a 4th level Superhuman and should have a physical advantage over the MC just based on raw power levels.
Even though Shen is a 4th lvl superhuman and he surely has more power than the MC atm it isn't right to say that Shen has a physical advantage, as he is a mental-type superhuman while MC is a physical-type and even apostle spawn at that, so if they would ever have a fist fight the MC would win without many problems, it's at the clash of powers that the MC, who didn't develop his mental powers, would potentially lose.
 

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So no matter if we warn them or not Met and Rina join S.I.N. ?
It's possible that it's just that Rina is Klaus' father's half-sister and that's why she tries to stop Alice and Michael, while Met is maybe just there to help Rina out of fondness or maybe he knew that there would be Michael
 

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That's assuming that Tanos was telling the truth to Deryl. He also mentions how superhuman bodies are incredible while he was dissecting Amber, which implies that she's already changed.
I can see it going either way, that he was telling the truth and that he's dissecting the twins while they're changing, or that everything he told Deryl was a lie, and he's going to dissect the twins to study their power, and likely plans on doing the same to Deryl when he's done. He could have encouraged Deryl to make a new philosopher's stone so that he could take that and use it to improve his own power.
I don't think his plans are going to matter in the end, because it's likely Deryl is going to invent something that will help him try to rescue his friends, and soon after the MC finishes his dream journey and comes out to help.
It'll be interesting to see how the MC will deal with Shen afterwards. He's learned that if he adds additional people's memories to the dreams that it interferes with Shen's power. He should be able to shrug off Shen's power afterwards when combined with his own skill with his Memory power getting stronger, but Shen is still a 4th level Superhuman and should have a physical advantage over the MC just based on raw power levels.
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well now i feel stupid saying that we gather all pieces, dude get so hyped that ends up overlooking the twelve dynamic.
but are we really gonna walk all 12 paths at once we already have 6 connections that form 3 arbiters let´s exercise that before we tackle the remaining 6, i think the mc should awake soon because i mean liz and amber are in a state and deryl can´t do anything hands tied so yeah the situation is tough and we need to act regardles the operation being succeful or not we cannot let amber liz and deryl including ourselves in sin the plan is wake up find our friends and gtfo
You couldn't have said it better buddy
 
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So no matter if we warn them or not Met and Rina join S.I.N. ?
I don't think that scene they are working for S.I.N, that scene they are working for the Aldain. Rina have some connection with them (looks like family) and Met just wants a fight.
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it's a bit funny because if Alice finished off Klaus, it's mostly mc who's responsible for Klaus' death so curious to see how Alice and Michael will get out of this, because the 4 of them are killers, so if the fight isn't interrupted somehow it's logical to think that Rina and/or Met might die .
 

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I just realized, H.E.R.O. had to turn down their power containment fields in order to store Eisheth. It's a shame that they likely diverted most of the power from the cell containing Ella's dead body. There's no way that could possibly go wrong for them.
what could go wrong if a nice, hungry little raven were to escape into a base full of level 1 superhumans :rolleyes:. it's not like a fight between him at full strenght and mc was teased during our talk with him
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it's a bit funny because if Alice finished off Klaus, it's mostly mc who's responsible for Klaus' death so curious to see how Alice and Michael will get out of this, because the 4 of them are killers, so if the fight isn't interrupted somehow it's logical to think that Rina and/or Met might die .
Alice thrash both of them easily. If Dev doesn't show her absolutely wrecking them I would be sad. And, if Michael dream is what current Michael power is like then uff...
 

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Alice thrash both of them easily. If Dev doesn't show her absolutely wrecking them I would be sad. And, if Michael dream is what current Michael power is like then uff...
Met is level 3 and more powerfull than them individually, he tied with Evander, Rina shouldn't be a problem even if invisibility can be annoying but Alice and Michael have faced worse .
I dont doubt that Alice and Michael will win that fight,not easily though. it's just that we can befriend Met and Rina so it would be weird to kill them soon after introducing them as potential ally.
 

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Replies to various posts I've seen in the last few pages and extra thoughts:

1. Michael and Alice vs Met and Rina

Don't expect much from this. Rina will take on Alice and will have trouble piercing her passive protections. Met will take on Michael and due to how their powers interact he won't be able to finish the job. Alice and Rina will probably take some heavier damage and that's that. Something will happen to break up the fight. That's all.

And don't expect Alice to do well vs Met. She's good, but she's a level 2. Michael will do well because he can absorb energy. He just has a better power.


2. Valravn right now is probably weaker than a toddler.

He's been beaten so hard these last few months, and due to how his power works he probably is an a really bad spot. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Xanthe killed him as he was practically useless, not willing to speak to anyone. Unlikely but really not surprising.

Also I don't expect him to gain back his power by grinding hearts. It's a slow process, and he already tested Xanthe's patience by being tight lipped. So this time around, HERO will hunt to kill, not to capture.

Valravn probably still has a role to play. I don't think Deus would bother with giving him back the heart only for MC to fight him. I'm not sure how he's going to be restored to full strength, but I also don't think that we will see any hide and seek. He will probably find a cave to hide in and pray to his lord.


3. No one seems to be interested in MC.

MC is in SIN base, sedated and personally held by the strongest superhuman there, with Ella Doll in his pocket. And NOONE EVEN GIVES A DAMN. The guy with an Arbiter in his head, one of the rarest individuals with 2 Apostolic traits, the chosen of Ella, and people are like "Eh, we put him in the basement indefinitely, perhaps if Big Sis somehow comes back, she may have a use for him".

I think this thread has been pulled a bit too much. Ella has kept her mouth shut. No one knows what's the big deal with MC aside from her. Not Tanos, not Langdon, not the Chosen, not the kids. I don't know why she does the things she does, but nothing else makes sense at this point.


4. MC has an opportunity to see what's going on with SIN:

With MC and Ella in SIN base, there exists the potential to reach an understanding. There are still a lot of things that haven't been explained yet.
1) Why Ella is secretive about MC.
2) What are these stones Charlie & Jared are looking for.
3) What is MC's potential relationship with the Chosen.
4) What is Ella's endgame.
5) What's going on with the Apostles in general

etc.
Not that I expect answers from Ella, which takes me to my next point


5. I think Deus prophecy is about to start getting relevant.

Deus says that MC's future with Ella is murky. She lacks MC's understanding, and MC should be careful untill he is strong enough to impress.
1) Once MC finishes his training, he will probably be one of the more knowledgable people on the matter of Apostles. (Understanding)
2) In the last update we can choose how Ella's romance will progress. (Murky future)
3) The last one will take some time. But since MC isn't supposed to fight Ella before that point, and the doll doesn't want to leave his side (at least at the moment), perhaps a game will start where depending on what MC says, it will affect the endings.


6. Tanos is not the enemy.

I expect him to:
Do everything in his power to makes sure the Twins come into their own.
Be sincere about helping Deryl with his philosopher stone, and comparing notes with him.
Not give a damn about Langdon and the other SIN heads.
Not give a damn about what the Chosen want.

However when MC wakes up and decides that enough is enough, Tanos will oppose this. He won't just accept losing the Twins as they are intergral to his research. The only question here is how the game will handle this and if we will be given a choice.

But, it's not all bad. In fact I think that Tanos has the potential to be an ally. I have this idea, that there are 3 Twin configurations:
1) Evander & Devana: Twins with different traits.
2) Amber & Liz: Twins with the same trait.
3) MC: Twin traits.

MC holds 2/3 of his research under his influence so I think that a compromise is possible. Past that point the problem is going to be the HERO captains.


7. HERO are in a tough spot and they are their own worst enemies.

Aside from that bit about Deus predicting trouble, it seems that HERO are once again stretched thin. The relationships between the leaders seem a bit strained and Bramon found his perfect opportunity to further his research into monsterkind, only to be met by groans and opposition.

It really feels like we are approaching a singularity. Lucius is paranoid, Bernhardt is angry, Zack is scared, Bramon is pushy, Malik and Nyx don't have anything useful to add and Dexter is probably bleeding money. It's been a fuckup after a fuckup.
These are all their failures:
1) Got nothing out of Valravn.
2) Got nothing out of Ella.
3) Lost 20000 Human soldiers.
4) Failed to create a good training regiment for new recruits.
5) Failed to control public opinion.
6) Failed to protect the twins.
7) Failed to protect MC.

Additionally there have been communication mistakes. Only 3 people knew about Bramon's plan to infiltrate the dimension, Bernhardt didn't know that Eisheth is supposed to be a uniquely strong monster etc.

The worst thing that can happen to HERO is miscommunication. While the leadership is strong enough to carry the organization through any problem, if they end up having a falling out, it's going to be catastrophic.
 

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Replies to various posts I've seen in the last few pages and extra thoughts:

1. Michael and Alice vs Met and Rina

Don't expect much from this. Rina will take on Alice and will have trouble piercing her passive protections. Met will take on Michael and due to how their powers interact he won't be able to finish the job. Alice and Rina will probably take some heavier damage and that's that. Something will happen to break up the fight. That's all.

And don't expect Alice to do well vs Met. She's good, but she's a level 2. Michael will do well because he can absorb energy. He just has a better power.
Dunno about that. Rina is harmless for Alice and likely go out of commission from Michael's reactive protection. Met's lightning can be deflected by Alice and absorbed by Michael. Key elements for this fight are: how fast Rina will go out of commission (probably as soon as she goes into attack instead of support), how well mafia duo will skirt around controlled charge (if Met's control is good enough to circumvent gravitational deflection and how it interacts with Michael's energy consumption, as in empowers him, but opens for control).
 
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