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I don't understand why you think Met has to have control. Alice is the one who needs to react to Met's attacks. The mechanics don't matter at all (and her standard orbs do not work with gravity, they work with Dark Energy), all that matters is that she is capable of deflecting the attacks.

The problem is that she needs to put her fist in the way of the attack. If she is slow or she gets attacked from the back for example she doesn't have any defense at all. Her barrier is good only for physical attacks, not energy based. It could do nothing against Klaus' plasma for example. It could not redirect it, it could not dissipate it.

As long as Met shoots lightning in her fist, she will never take damage. If he isn't a complete idiot and try to attack her from a different angle, Alice will have to survive a level 3 with a very damaging attack and without any mitigation.
Small corrections, the standard orbs around her fists work still work with gravity as well as dark energy. They're explicitly stated to be repulsive because they generate a heavy concentration of gravitons, and Dark Graviton: Bomb uses condensed dark energy to do its damage. Furthermore, the repulsive barrier created by the gravitons her body gives off does protect her from energy as well as physical attacks. It's literally the exact same thing as the orbs she forms around her limbs. However, it's also noted in-game that the passive field is much weaker than the consciously generated gravitational fields she makes around her hands and feet.

It doesn't change anything though. You're absolutely correct that Met would still mess her up, even if her powers technically would protect her from him. It's just that it'd be as effective as trying to block a train with a piece of cardboard. If at Level 1 her passive barrier couldn't stop another Level 1 from whooping her ass, I highly doubt that her passive barrier have damn near any effectiveness on a Level 3's attacks.
 

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He did...

Michael: "....Met."
Met: "Good to see you again, after all these years. If only Gabe were here to see our reunion."
No, i meant saying something about taking this contract due to having actual beef with Michael over this. Simply mentioning is far from it, and it would be rather strange if he wasn't mentioned at all.
 

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No, i meant saying something about taking this contract due to having actual beef with Michael over this. Simply mentioning is far from it, and it would be rather strange if he wasn't mentioned at all.
Well, the details of the "contract" arent explained, but I got the impression it was mostly a Rina dealing with Alice thing. Met getting the chance to fight Michael was just a nice bonus. That said, even if Met does end up winning, I doubt he'll go for the kill.
 
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No, i meant saying something about taking this contract due to having actual beef with Michael over this. Simply mentioning is far from it, and it would be rather strange if he wasn't mentioned at all.
His sprite was angrily frowning. With how generally good he is at concealing his emotions, that should mean something.
 

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Replies to various posts I've seen in the last few pages and extra thoughts:

1. Michael and Alice vs Met and Rina

Don't expect much from this. Rina will take on Alice and will have trouble piercing her passive protections. Met will take on Michael and due to how their powers interact he won't be able to finish the job. Alice and Rina will probably take some heavier damage and that's that. Something will happen to break up the fight. That's all.

And don't expect Alice to do well vs Met. She's good, but she's a level 2. Michael will do well because he can absorb energy. He just has a better power.


I totally agree, we've already seen that Rina can't even hurt mc by surprise unless he lets her do it on purpose,
Michael has a matchup advantage over Met but he's still a level 2 too.
and with the four of them be trained killer, i wont see this fight comming to an end. But it will clearly serve as good training to push Alice and Michael close to level 3.
in my eyes, your scenario is too close to the fight between mc and him against the twins, especially since without Briar to heal them, Rina would surely be killed in this case,or maybe she wouldnt and both Rina and Alice would be severly wounded,which would lead to a truce.
The only other reason I could see is Mc, his name could be mentioned during the fight, because whether you befriend them or not Met and Rina seem to like him, and I can't see Alice telling them that Mc fought Klauss (and it was Alice who killed him in any case).



2. Valravn right now is probably weaker than a toddler.

He's been beaten so hard these last few months, and due to how his power works he probably is an a really bad spot. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Xanthe killed him as he was practically useless, not willing to speak to anyone. Unlikely but really not surprising.

Also I don't expect him to gain back his power by grinding hearts. It's a slow process, and he already tested Xanthe's patience by being tight lipped. So this time around, HERO will hunt to kill, not to capture.

Valravn probably still has a role to play. I don't think Deus would bother with giving him back the heart only for MC to fight him. I'm not sure how he's going to be restored to full strength, but I also don't think that we will see any hide and seek. He will probably find a cave to hide in and pray to his lord.



When Valravn fought mc he was already very weak but still strong enough to at least require a level 3 because Cole was fighting him (mc was able to do this at level 2 thanks to a perfect matchup against Valravn). So if he were able to escape, I don't have too many doubts that he could devour level 1-2 rookie superhumans or those who arent fighter type to regain a lot of strength and then escape if something that he cant handle shows up, because like you said, it would be far too long for him to play hide and seek.
He won't escape just to fight Mc, we agree on that. (if mc side with Ella , he could fight Valravn to steal is heart to give him to her? or simply to get it and devour it so that she can't get it. )



6. Tanos is not the enemy.

I expect him to:
Do everything in his power to makes sure the Twins come into their own.
Be sincere about helping Deryl with his philosopher stone, and comparing notes with him.
Not give a damn about Langdon and the other SIN heads.
Not give a damn about what the Chosen want.

However when MC wakes up and decides that enough is enough, Tanos will oppose this. He won't just accept losing the Twins as they are intergral to his research. The only question here is how the game will handle this and if we will be given a choice.

But, it's not all bad. In fact I think that Tanos has the potential to be an ally. I have this idea, that there are 3 Twin configurations:
1) Evander & Devana: Twins with different traits.
2) Amber & Liz: Twins with the same trait.
3) MC: Twin traits.

MC holds 2/3 of his research under his influence so I think that a compromise is possible. Past that point the problem is going to be the HERO captains.

Again i agree, i also suspect that he have something to do with Sya death/assimilation by mc, since mc's father brought him to his hospital during that time.
Also, Sya mention something about not beeing pure anymore an be replaced,but that her "mother" send her doing something else (curious about what since it cant be about mc), and who better than Tanos, a Rebis spawn scientist, to alter Sya purity, and made her partialy human, (we know that superhuman are infertile but they can still impregnate other monster so Sya cant be human or superhuman since she confirm to us that mc's father is human),and Sya could have wanted that to have a human child with the man she love? and that would explain why the 4th wouldnt like a child from Sya , she would be considered to be some kind of freak unfit te spread her trait.


7. HERO are in a tough spot and they are their own worst enemies.

Aside from that bit about Deus predicting trouble, it seems that HERO are once again stretched thin. The relationships between the leaders seem a bit strained and Bramon found his perfect opportunity to further his research into monsterkind, only to be met by groans and opposition.

It really feels like we are approaching a singularity. Lucius is paranoid, Bernhardt is angry, Zack is scared, Bramon is pushy, Malik and Nyx don't have anything useful to add and Dexter is probably bleeding money. It's been a fuckup after a fuckup.
These are all their failures:
1) Got nothing out of Valravn.
2) Got nothing out of Ella.
3) Lost 20000 Human soldiers.
4) Failed to create a good training regiment for new recruits.
5) Failed to control public opinion.
6) Failed to protect the twins.
7) Failed to protect MC.

Additionally there have been communication mistakes. Only 3 people knew about Bramon's plan to infiltrate the dimension, Bernhardt didn't know that Eisheth is supposed to be a uniquely strong monster etc.

The worst thing that can happen to HERO is miscommunication. While the leadership is strong enough to carry the organization through any problem, if they end up having a falling out, it's going to be catastrophic.

they all have different objectives and shoot in opposite directions, they dig their own graves all by themselves and with Bramon hell-bent on studying Eiseth and even other intelligent monsters, he's bound to end up biting off more than he can chew. The 1.0 is close and Valravn could perfectly fit in that and be the cause of a lot of loss amoud HERO superhuman recruit (among other things) and causing their organisation to fall (or being on the verge to)
 
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When Valravn fought mc he was already very weak but still strong enough to at least require a level 3 because Cole was fighting him (mc was able to do this at level 2 thanks to a perfect matchup against Valravn). So if he were able to escape, I don't have too many doubts that he could devour level 1-2 rookie superhumans or those who arent fighter type to regain a lot of strength and then escape if something that he cant handle shows up, because like you said, it would be far too long for him to play hide and seek.
He won't escape just to fight Mc, we agree on that. (if mc side with Ella , he could fight Valravn to steal is heart to give him to her? or simply to get it and devour it so that she can't get it. )
This is how I see it:

Cole like always takes credit for the things he didn't do. Valravn required Ella, not a level 3. Valravn is a special case among monsters. When he gets injured, he loses power and true to his carrion nature he gains it back by consuming hearts (or something else, but he has a preference for them as it seems).

I think Valravn's timeline looks something like this:

1. Valravn is one of the Chosen S Class monsters with pure connections. He has a special heart that Ella wants.
2. She sends the kids to steal Valravn's heart, probably having hatched a plan first to do it easily and without a fight.
3. Valravn is using his heart for something, and he seems to be sleeping. Cole uses this chance to steal it which weakens Valravn greatly.
4. For some reason Cole fucks up,and a fight ensues between Valravn vs Cole, Charlie, Shen, Zara and Briar.
5. Valravn has protection against mental attacks, so Charlie, Shen and Zara couldn't do anything to him.
6. Ella (level 4 at the time) has to be involved and according to Briar she gets so wounded that she needs his healing.
7. Valravn is beaten to a pulp, and is extremely weakened and taken to the cave by Ella.
8. Ella releases Valravn to mess with HERO, and he goes on to eat hearts and regain his strength.
9. Deus for some reason decides to find and return his heart to him.
10. MC fights and beats Valravn to a pulp.

After Valravn's imprisonement by Ella, he spent weeks regaining his power by eating hearts, and Deus restored what seems to be his true heart. All he managed to do during this time is raise his power to 160~ and be considered a C+ Rank threat by HERO. So it's quite fair to assume that during his imprisonment he barely qualified as a C rank.

After MC doing so much damage to his heart, Bramon torturing him, staying in a suppressive field for months without the nurishment he needs, I'd be surprised if he had the strength to reliably beat level 2s. And even if he can eat a few level 1s or the weaker level 2s, I doubt he will restore enough strength to do anything more than flee.
 

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This is how I see it:

Cole like always takes credit for the things he didn't do. Valravn required Ella, not a level 3. Valravn is a special case among monsters. When he gets injured, he loses power and true to his carrion nature he gains it back by consuming hearts (or something else, but he has a preference for them as it seems).

I think Valravn's timeline looks something like this:

1. Valravn is one of the Chosen S Class monsters with pure connections. He has a special heart that Ella wants.
2. She sends the kids to steal Valravn's heart, probably having hatched a plan first to do it easily and without a fight.
3. Valravn is using his heart for something, and he seems to be sleeping. Cole uses this chance to steal it which weakens Valravn greatly.
4. For some reason Cole fucks up,and a fight ensues between Valravn vs Cole, Charlie, Shen, Zara and Briar.
5. Valravn has protection against mental attacks, so Charlie, Shen and Zara couldn't do anything to him.
6. Ella (level 4 at the time) has to be involved and according to Briar she gets so wounded that she needs his healing.
7. Valravn is beaten to a pulp, and is extremely weakened and taken to the cave by Ella.
8. Ella releases Valravn to mess with HERO, and he goes on to eat hearts and regain his strength.
9. Deus for some reason decides to find and return his heart to him.
10. MC fights and beats Valravn to a pulp.

After Valravn's imprisonement by Ella, he spent weeks regaining his power by eating hearts, and Deus restored what seems to be his true heart. All he managed to do during this time is raise his power to 160~ and be considered a C+ Rank threat by HERO. So it's quite fair to assume that during his imprisonment he barely qualified as a C rank.

After MC doing so much damage to his heart, Bramon torturing him, staying in a suppressive field for months without the nurishment he needs, I'd be surprised if he had the strength to reliably beat level 2s. And even if he can eat a few level 1s or the weaker level 2s, I doubt he will restore enough strength to do anything more than flee.
Yes Ella is the one who did most of the job to weakened him, and Cole fucked up badly, but what i really wanted to say was that Valravn (in the state in which mc faced him) would normaly need a level 3,and thanks to a great matchup he could win and not that Cole was able to put him in that state by himself .
So even if Valravn his even weaker now than he was on that time , i would still expect him to handle level 1 and those with no fighting oriented power. (but it's just what i think)
I'm not saying he's going to kill everyone, just regain some strength by attacking the weakest and then flee, which will discredit HERO even more after all of what you've already mentioned.
 
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