harem.king

Engaged Member
Aug 16, 2023
3,774
6,559
Cole like always takes credit for the things he didn't do. Valravn required Ella, not a level 3. Valravn is a special case among monsters. When he gets injured, he loses power and true to his carrion nature he gains it back by consuming hearts (or something else, but he has a preference for them as it seems).
I am of the impression that any superhuman when sufficiently injured will fight like he is weaker.
Remember when teleporter girl had us fight an injured A rank monster?
Or... really, a lot of fights show that being injured severely weakens you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lucyel

Gtdead

Active Member
Jul 13, 2021
922
5,739
Small corrections, the standard orbs around her fists work still work with gravity as well as dark energy. They're explicitly stated to be repulsive because they generate a heavy concentration of gravitons, and Dark Graviton: Bomb uses condensed dark energy to do its damage. Furthermore, the repulsive barrier created by the gravitons her body gives off does protect her from energy as well as physical attacks. It's literally the exact same thing as the orbs she forms around her limbs. However, it's also noted in-game that the passive field is much weaker than the consciously generated gravitational fields she makes around her hands and feet.
You are right to call me out on Dark Energy because I threw it halfassedly. I didn't really expect to be pulled in a discussion about Alice's power tbh. Girlfriend is fine and all but her power is fucked up.

This is exactly how I see her powers:

The thing with Alice is that even the info from the game doesn't tells us what we need to know. Gravitons don't repulse, they attract. They aren't even real, they are theoretical particles to plug in holes in our understanding of a certain phenomenon. And even if they are real in this game, Deryl still doesn't know what the hell they do, so he says that it's Gravity or Anti-Gravity or Dark Energy.

Since Deryl mentioned all these, we have a framework that allows Alice to use both Attractive and Repulsive forces. We also know that Alice's powers tend to have spin and pull things into orbit. So let's see all the powers she has manifested:

1. Fist Orbs
We've seen 3 variations of Fist Orbs.
a) The common punching orbs. They only repulse and work in a way that don't cause recoil to Alice. They have never ever pulled a physical obstacle in orbit and when she deflected Klaus' plasma, the effect was similar to an elastic collision, not a bent trajectory. In fact they seem to be dormant up till the moment something touches them.

b) The grounding orbs. She uses them against the monsterfied Aldain. Seemingly she pulls the energy into a stable orbit around her hands, then follows up with her own. We don't exactly know how she interacted with the electric energy aside from that.

c) The attracting orbs. This is a new power she manifested once she evolved. She is capable of targeting something and attracting it towards her fists.

At this point we have to assume that all the variations are mutually exclusive. We don't know how fast she can switch, but it has to add reaction time.

2. Protective Barrier.

This is one of the most inconsistent things about her. MC feels a "zap" when he touches it, but it can't be electricity because he would feel it. So whatever her barrier is, it probably has motion. When MC tries to stab her though, the knife edge gets mangled like it was bombarded by something. It could be air, it could be some field of erratic forces. The certain thing is that it doesn't pull stuff into orbit because the knife didn't glance or bounce, it went right through, but looked like stabbing a bed of rocks.

3. Graviton Impact

She basically smashes her punching orbs together creating a shockwave around her. This is mechanically a sound attack. Alice barely feels recoil and all this energy created by touching her orbs has to go somewhere. So if the orb can't repulse another orb, the energy is dissipated in a shockwave.

4. Dark Graviton: Bomb.

And this is the damn problem with Alice. Gravitons and Dark Energy are dinstict and different things. Their only "connection" is that they are opposites. Alice names her power Dark Graviton, but she explains that she condenses Dark Energy. For all intends and purposes this is your run of the mill explosion. But it also seems that "Dark Gravity" is a concept in the game, or at least Alice believes it's something distinct.

5. True Graviton: Minute Collapsar.

This is the opposite of her Bomb ability. It's an implosion. I wonder why she had to channel so much to produce. Additionally it's name suggests a trend. Dark Gravitons is Dark Energy and True Gravitons is Normal Gravity. It also suggests that Alice will eventually manage to use Graviton Impact on the attracting orbs, not just the repulsive ones. I refuse to believe that these names are random, because WW has written the script in advance.



It doesn't change anything though. You're absolutely correct that Met would still mess her up, even if her powers technically would protect her from him. It's just that it'd be as effective as trying to block a train with a piece of cardboard. If at Level 1 her passive barrier couldn't stop another Level 1 from whooping her ass, I highly doubt that her passive barrier have damn near any effectiveness on a Level 3's attacks.
Yeah, the Klaus argument is my strongest one too. If we had observed her barrier do anything revolving an orbit or a bent trajectory like her fists, I'd say that there would be a possibility that she would be good against electricity. But since it doesn't, I highly doubt that Met will have trouble hitting her.
 
Last edited:

Gtdead

Active Member
Jul 13, 2021
922
5,739
I am of the impression that any superhuman when sufficiently injured will fight like he is weaker.
Remember when teleporter girl had us fight an injured A rank monster?
Or... really, a lot of fights show that being injured severely weakens you.
Yes this is true, but Valravn's effect is extreme.

Asura was missing arms and eyes and was still fighting like an A Rank and had 10 times MC's power. It took MC 3 hours to get through an already existing wound.
Kira lost her arm and she continued outputting similar power with her punches.

Valravn is supposed to be a Chosen, similar in power to Eisheth.
Losing his heart allowed a level 4 Ella to capture him, and the subsequent beating reduced his power to 160~ by the time MC fights him (it's in the monster report, search Fanvor's posts in this thread if you haven't seen them). S ranks are supposed to have tens of thousands of power, not 160!
 

harem.king

Engaged Member
Aug 16, 2023
3,774
6,559
Yes this is true, but Valravn's effect is extreme.

Asura was missing arms and eyes and was still fighting like an A Rank and had 10 times MC's power. It took MC 3 hours to get through an already existing wound.
Kira lost her arm and she continued outputting similar power with her punches.

Valravn is supposed to be a Chosen, similar in power to Eisheth.
Losing his heart allowed a level 4 Ella to capture him, and the subsequent beating reduced his power to 160~ by the time MC fights him (it's in the monster report, search Fanvor's posts in this thread if you haven't seen them). S ranks are supposed to have tens of thousands of power, not 160!
Fair points.
I vaguely recall that the captive S ranks held by ella being used as a battery and drained of power.
So maybe that explains it.

alternatively. damage to his core is much more severe than mere loss of hands and eyes
not all creatures have cores. but some do.
 

lorkdubo

Active Member
Aug 19, 2022
623
1,205
Yes this is true, but Valravn's effect is extreme.

Asura was missing arms and eyes and was still fighting like an A Rank and had 10 times MC's power. It took MC 3 hours to get through an already existing wound.
Kira lost her arm and she continued outputting similar power with her punches.

Valravn is supposed to be a Chosen, similar in power to Eisheth.
Losing his heart allowed a level 4 Ella to capture him, and the subsequent beating reduced his power to 160~ by the time MC fights him (it's in the monster report, search Fanvor's posts in this thread if you haven't seen them). S ranks are supposed to have tens of thousands of power, not 160!
I mean... Ella even captured Goliath tho. So, that already tells a lot.
 

Gtdead

Active Member
Jul 13, 2021
922
5,739
Fair points.
I vaguely recall that the captive S ranks held by ella being used as a battery and drained of power.
So maybe that explains it.

alternatively. damage to his core is much more severe than mere loss of hands and eyes
not all creatures have cores. but some do.
I don't recall that bit about draining the monsters. Only the bit about their hearts, but that's for the supposed "ritual". Any chance you could point me to the quote?

As for Valravn's core, I think this is very likely. Valravn mentions his heart when he comments on MC's regeneration.
Valravn "It is unnerving to fight against one such as thee."
You "Huh?"
Valravn "To battle, to take injury, to see mine own body crumbling, while mine opponent's remaineth whole, unchanged from the moment this battle began."
Valravn "Thine abilities are enviable indeed, to recover so completely, with such speed."
Valravn "Would that I could do the same, many moons has it taken to restore my heart to even its current feeble state."
Valravn "Be assured that I will make great use of thy strength, once this battle is done, to fully repair my crumbling heart."
I mean... Ella even captured Goliath tho. So, that already tells a lot.
I bet that Valravn (being a Chosen) at his full power is far stronger than the Goliath. Tbh I'd love to see a flashback how Ella captured Valravn. She's sneaky as fuck.
 

harem.king

Engaged Member
Aug 16, 2023
3,774
6,559
I don't recall that bit about draining the monsters. Only the bit about their hearts, but that's for the supposed "ritual". Any chance you could point me to the quote?

As for Valravn's core, I think this is very likely. Valravn mentions his heart when he comments on MC's regeneration.
As I said, it is only a vague recollection.
Heart and core are equivalent.
So, you remember them having their hearts drained for a ritual. which seems to conform to my own recollection.
 

Gtdead

Active Member
Jul 13, 2021
922
5,739
As I said, it is only a vague recollection.
Heart and core are equivalent.
So, you remember them having their hearts drained for a ritual. which seems to conform to my own recollection.
Just putting this out there, it's the bit I got my info from
Aglaecwif said:
Female "As for what her plans are. She is gathering the hearts of powerful monsters like myself, those with a pure and untainted connection to one single lord."
You "Why?"
show elinv 208 with dissolve
Female "She alters and wields them as ritual tools, to channel power and conduct ancient rite, both secret and evil. Too dark for even I to attempt, too unknown for even I to replicate...."
Female "All to call on the most powerful of us, our great sires, the first of our kind. The Apostles."
 

kibaris

Member
Mar 17, 2019
251
564
As I said, it is only a vague recollection.
Heart and core are equivalent.
So, you remember them having their hearts drained for a ritual. which seems to conform to my own recollection.

I don't recall that bit about draining the monsters. Only the bit about their hearts, but that's for the supposed "ritual". Any chance you could point me to the quote?
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Ella said that to Cole when she tell him that she let him go. it's strongly implied.
 
Jun 30, 2023
107
47
How good is the game without the walkthrough? I looked at it and the 20 pages kinda gives me the feeling that it might be neccessary in order to really play the game. I don't really wanna have to keep looking through a guide to have a good time with the game though.
 

TheFreakyOne

Newbie
Feb 14, 2023
60
126
How good is the game without the walkthrough? I looked at it and the 20 pages kinda gives me the feeling that it might be neccessary in order to really play the game. I don't really wanna have to keep looking through a guide to have a good time with the game though.
It really depends on your choice, walkthrough is better if you just want to get the scenes quicker or to not make any mistakes at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ProgessiveDetailed
Sep 5, 2018
46
96
How good is the game without the walkthrough? I looked at it and the 20 pages kinda gives me the feeling that it might be neccessary in order to really play the game. I don't really wanna have to keep looking through a guide to have a good time with the game though.
Its not neccessary, as long as you actually play the game and read you wont have any problems whatsoever.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ProgessiveDetailed
Mar 10, 2020
392
386
How good is the game without the walkthrough? I looked at it and the 20 pages kinda gives me the feeling that it might be neccessary in order to really play the game. I don't really wanna have to keep looking through a guide to have a good time with the game though.
Why do you need a walkthrough anyways? The choices are pretty clear cut in my opinion. Sure, you might miss out on some content way later down the road by killing certain characters, but that's insignificant.

There are some bad ends too, but it's not hard to reload at a choice that obviously has consequences. Just save whenever you feel like a choice is important and you'll be fine.

Games like this don't really need a walkthrough if you use common sense
 

Gtdead

Active Member
Jul 13, 2021
922
5,739
How good is the game without the walkthrough? I looked at it and the 20 pages kinda gives me the feeling that it might be neccessary in order to really play the game. I don't really wanna have to keep looking through a guide to have a good time with the game though.
If you are the type to play even the slice of life games with a walkthrough mod, then yes, it's a good idea to play it with the walkthrough open in the back.

If not, then the golden rule is to always train when you have the option otherwise it's possible to lock your playthrough.
 

R68waga

Newbie
Oct 11, 2017
93
68
ive been locking myself in the same spot since the original 0.9 came out, at this point i'm just gonna wait for 1.0 (or 0.10) to come out. i'm feeling pretty fucking stupid rn.
 
4.80 star(s) 390 Votes