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Memory has nothing to do with possession if mc is able to do it in the future it will be because of the body.
We know of 1 superhuman and 2 monsters that can do something similar, Langdon, the M:97 and M:22 Minyak.
Langdon and M:97 we dont know anything about so i wont talk about them.
Minyak is 50% authority, 40% body and 10% darkness, it can spew oil and take over organic matter, it can turn its body to oil and 2 can merge together to power up, if i had to guess the abilities to merge and turn into oil are powers from the body and the ability to take over organic matter is a mix of authority and darkness.
It's for sure currently impossible considering MC cant even replicate monster "powers" despite being able to use their "form".
Like he doesn't have a human heart anymore but we haven't seen his display any powers related to wherever xanthe got the heart from its literally just "better functioning as a structure than human heart", same thing with the chimeras/deryl despite eating a bunch of their meat and crossing memories with deryl all we've seen is his physical transformation none of any of the monsters powers. Also if you buy any of parts from shopkeep (not required) you still don't get any powers from them beyond power/skill gains but that's not the same thing as using their "powers".
Like he doesn't have a human heart anymore but we haven't seen his display any powers related to wherever xanthe got the heart from its literally just "better functioning as a structure than human heart", same thing with the chimeras/deryl despite eating a bunch of their meat and crossing memories with deryl all we've seen is his physical transformation none of any of the monsters powers. Also if you buy any of parts from shopkeep (not required) you still don't get any powers from them beyond power/skill gains but that's not the same thing as using their "powers".
I was watching Weirdworld's latest stream (13th? this one <
I think it's immediately after her fight with MC on the training room that she mentions she can't quite control where she will end up when she moves due her traveling to the speed of light. WeirdWorld says "(...) and the fact it's light-paced" and "(...) showing off her powers, moving at the speed of light)" got me thinking: Is Tiffany restricted to moving EXACTLY at the speed of light or not?
I can't replay the game at the moment for double-checking after that fight and her small talk after the 2nd evolution to verify it, but if that was NOT the case, and she could move at a slower speed, it would be quite funny since the drawback of not being able to see stuff would become "manageable" up to a certain point.
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>) today and I noticed something I didn't catch on before regarding Tiffany:I think it's immediately after her fight with MC on the training room that she mentions she can't quite control where she will end up when she moves due her traveling to the speed of light. WeirdWorld says "(...) and the fact it's light-paced" and "(...) showing off her powers, moving at the speed of light)" got me thinking: Is Tiffany restricted to moving EXACTLY at the speed of light or not?
I can't replay the game at the moment for double-checking after that fight and her small talk after the 2nd evolution to verify it, but if that was NOT the case, and she could move at a slower speed, it would be quite funny since the drawback of not being able to see stuff would become "manageable" up to a certain point.
Mind control is a power related to Authority, and MC power are related to the Body and it’s twin, the Memory. Therefore, direct mind control is impossible. Indirect mind control, by slowly rewriting someone mind over time (I would say corruption, but this term already exist in this game) is still possible through implementation of false memories, but that doesn’t seem to fit the MC style
She turn into light and back into human form, so I guess she only has light speed in her immaterial form.
Also, using her powers targeting below her must be terrifying: get the correct timing, or (well, I don’t know, would this instant kill her?)
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Sorry if I was overzealous, seems I misundestood the comment about the theoryloop.
Not exactly. The game used to be on a 2 month release loop and only lately, past 0.95, the updates started taking more (they are bigger too). WW asked if the community wanted bigger updates or keeping the same pace, but I think despite any polls, the general sentiment is that whatever he feels is the "logical" cutoff will work best.
After all WW hasn't exactly kept up a steady pace. 0.95 was 3 months, 0.96 was 2, 0.97 was 3, and the memory training updates were split in half.
I mentioned it during a stream and it seems that WW himself isn't very excited about cliffhangers and he pretty much thinks that they are a necessary evil. I wish however he stopped doing them the way he did in the last 3 updates. The old style was better and way more consistent.
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MC my beloved training to make Cole into pasta 
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He's showing off his emo powers.
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I mean, not if you use your brain for a bit. This game is dark, both in concept and in visuals and it must be and whenever you only see pitch-black it's 'cause there's nothing to see apart from blackness, also it's looks cool as fuck.
Btw if you actually can't see just turn up the contrast or something
It's ok mate, I don't mind, everyone make mistakes. We are here to enjoy an share that enjoyment I won't keep being upset over smt like this lol.
Anyway, thx for recognizing it.
THX
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Would still be off in the same way.
Just as much as saying 0.9.8.2 or 0.9.82.
The base issue is that the dev misjudged how to do version numbers.
At least if my memory works. Otherwise I'm just spouting total nonsense.
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So I've been thinking, how exactly do the apostles' and the arbiters' powers work?
Aglaecwif mentioned that Jake was a potential inheritor of order but ended up being a failure. Does that mean that despite only being the spawn of authority he could have somehow got power's trait as well but failed to fulfill the conditions and is now blocked off from that, or that when being infected he could have somehow become a spawn of both but didn't?
And why has the MC, who possesses both the body and memory trait, yet to display any of evolution's powers, even in his arbiter form in the one bad end (36 or 37 I think)? Is it because his memory trait isn't completely pure? or has he shown evolution's powers but we just haven't noticed since we don't know what they are? On that note, does anyone have any thoughts on what the arbiters' powers are/can do?
Or if that's not it, maybe, as Aglaecwif was talking about "completely inheriting both traits of the 1st and the 2nd", maybe, paradoxically, both traits need to be at 100%?
Last thing, do we have any proof that MC's memory trait isn't at 50%? The wiki says there's 1% of unknown, but I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed besides Syla saying she took in some bad stuff, which might not even affect MC as far as we know, since most bodily changes aren't genetic and/or won't affect offspring. So I was wondering if WeirdWorld confirmed it in one of his streams or something, since you'd think MC would have displayed something that would prove his memory trait inferior (though if he did, we would probably all miss it. Like it could be so minuscule considering the wiki says 1%, something like the color of his abilities mostly being purplish black relating him to darkness).
Aglaecwif mentioned that Jake was a potential inheritor of order but ended up being a failure. Does that mean that despite only being the spawn of authority he could have somehow got power's trait as well but failed to fulfill the conditions and is now blocked off from that, or that when being infected he could have somehow become a spawn of both but didn't?
And why has the MC, who possesses both the body and memory trait, yet to display any of evolution's powers, even in his arbiter form in the one bad end (36 or 37 I think)? Is it because his memory trait isn't completely pure? or has he shown evolution's powers but we just haven't noticed since we don't know what they are? On that note, does anyone have any thoughts on what the arbiters' powers are/can do?
Or if that's not it, maybe, as Aglaecwif was talking about "completely inheriting both traits of the 1st and the 2nd", maybe, paradoxically, both traits need to be at 100%?
Last thing, do we have any proof that MC's memory trait isn't at 50%? The wiki says there's 1% of unknown, but I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed besides Syla saying she took in some bad stuff, which might not even affect MC as far as we know, since most bodily changes aren't genetic and/or won't affect offspring. So I was wondering if WeirdWorld confirmed it in one of his streams or something, since you'd think MC would have displayed something that would prove his memory trait inferior (though if he did, we would probably all miss it. Like it could be so minuscule considering the wiki says 1%, something like the color of his abilities mostly being purplish black relating him to darkness).
Syla is either a really really bad liar (likely) or is playing 5D chess against MC (and the player) if she's really lying about MC not being a 50/50 spilt. There is nothing the MC can do about it whether so true or false so there would be no reason to tell him other than to make him worry? Which is counterproductive to her wanting to train MC as fast as possible during the dream training?
There is no "evidence" like a genetic test but 11/12 Apostles do absolutely nothing during the dream arc while one of them reaches out pulls you back into the dream and speaks to you in 100% plain English, and it just so happens to be the same one that is one of the few featured in previous dead ends (darkness) so for some reason the 7th apostle is more "interested" in MC than the 3rd or 4th.
I would assume that apostle realted changes overwrite any sort of "logical genetic trait passing". We haven't seen anybody with a preference for memory that was directly infected by the Apostles like MC was the only one close is ella but she is confirmed to be infected by body, so for all we know he is 1% inferior but currently above "regular" level 3 memory superhuman because sylas training method is basically a cheat at that level.
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There's a lot to tackle here so I'll just give the thinking behind it. To start off, WW confirmed that MC's split is 50/49/1. We know his dad isn't the problem with his mixture so that's 50% of the 3rd/Body. 49% would thus be of Memory since Syla is the previous 4th Spawn. Whatever tainted her equals 1% for MC. In WW words, that 1% "is a lot of shit", so feel free to speculate on what that could mean.
To get to Jake. He ruined his Authority trait because of his mindset. If he already starts off ruined, then there's no way to get Power trait or eventually Order. Powers are determined by genetics but your mindset also plays a part in this. Which is why Aglaecwif said that a weak mind can ruin potential. So, if we're to believe Ella, Jake had the potential to either unlock Power trait on evolution along the way or outright unlock Order itself. But, because he was too weak, mentally, it all crumbled. We don't know enough about the circumstances to say anything further.
As for MC and the Origin. The reason is pretty much explained in game by Syla and the Eye. MC didn't properly use his Memory trait and it wasn't developed enough. If he kept going the way he was going, he would've ended up like Jake with his Memory trait. Something Syla alludes to because he was leaning too much into the Body trait. Eventually his Memory trait was going to be flawed or lost altogether. So when Level 2 MC got shot straight to beyond Level 5 without advancing his Memory trait, it created flaws.
That's why you'll notice the Origin MC still used his tentacles for memories. While it did boost MC to beyond Level 5, it was essentially just Level 2 MC with no cap on power. It did have the ability to sync itself to the higher plane, but most of its abilities were the same as Level 2 MC. Even Level 3 MC memory usage was more advanced than what it showed. Which is why we never get to see the Evolution trait being put to full use. It was missing pieces, according to itself, and the Memory trait wasn't advanced enough to use the original trait of Evolution.
That's the general sentiment around this currently, at least from my own perspective. You'll have to ask other people for their views on it, if you want a different answer.
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Jake ruined his Authority trait so he naturally wouldn't be able to use it together with Power Trait for Order. Regardless of the method he would use to unlock those two abilities.
MC was too weak at Level 2 with his memory trait for the Origin to properly unlock all of its power. Same with Jake, without the Memory trait being developed enough, Evolution can't be used properly. Among the other things it was missing.
MC's 1% is unknown and is a bunch of stuff, according to WW. However, he got lucky that it didn't affect him more, according to Syla and the Truth Monster in the 9th's dream. Whatever it is, it's probably not too important or won't play a big role. It's 1% against 50% of Body and 49% of Memory after all.
Im not saying you're wrong, but Syla is kinda stupid. She might not know how genetics and stuff work, or might not understand what happened well or any other explanation, and IIRC she didn't outright say MC isn't a 50/50 split, but just said she wasn't because of what happened, and since there's a possibility he isn't because of her, telling MC is probably smart. Though, I get that her telling the MC that is probably just exposition and I shouldn't think about it too hard, but I just wondered if it was confirmed in any official capacity.
The 7th does indeed seem to be related to MC in some way, or at least interested in him, though if that says anything about MC possessing some of his traits, it remains to be seen. Though, that is probably not the reason Darkness was interested in him, since even if he DOES possess his trait, it would be extremely minuscule, since apparently the 4th hadn't noticed yet (though the 7th seems to be portrayed as more powerful than at least the 4th seeing as he killed her avatar in that one bad end, so it's possible he can see what she can't, though I doubt this as memory is about knowing things) and MC has shown no darkness power as of now (that we know of), not to mention I don't see why the 7th would give a shit specifically about a percent or two of his lineage MC may possess, so that makes me think something else is happening here.