VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Simpgor]

Im not saying you're wrong, but Syla is kinda stupid. She might not know how genetics and stuff work, or might not understand what happened well or any other explanation, and IIRC she didn't outright say MC isn't a 50/50 split, but just said she wasn't because of what happened, and since there's a possibility he isn't because of her, telling MC is probably smart. Though, I get that her telling the MC that is probably just exposition and I shouldn't think about it too hard, but I just wondered if it was confirmed in any official capacity.


The 7th does indeed seem to be related to MC in some way, or at least interested in him, though if that says anything about MC possessing some of his traits, it remains to be seen. Though, that is probably not the reason Darkness was interested in him, since even if he DOES possess his trait, it would be extremely minuscule, since apparently the 4th hadn't noticed yet (though the 7th seems to be portrayed as more powerful than at least the 4th seeing as he killed her avatar in that one bad end, so it's possible he can see what she can't, though I doubt this as memory is about knowing things) and MC has shown no darkness power as of now (that we know of), not to mention I don't see why the 7th would give a shit specifically about a percent or two of his lineage MC may possess, so that makes me think something else is happening here.

I mean we aren't talking about alleles and recessive traits and stuff we are talking about monster genes that change a person on a cellular level upon infection, which at a point (level 4) allows them to "ignore the laws of physics", we also don't know how extensive the "taking in" of bad stuff was for syla perhaps it's just as more deep rooted than a regular monster infection.

Telling the MC is a dumb move overall and even stupider considering the only goals that have been hinted at for syla are MC finish training because she has "a bad feeling" about the waking world, and that at some point in the future MC MIGHT be able to bring her (and bailey/oscar/etc) back from the immaterial.....neither of which is helped by her saying "by the way a creature that Ella described as invincible is going to hate you because you were born wrong but ONLY FOCUS ON TRAINING NOT THAT"

Why does MC showing darkness powers matter at all? It does not matter if he can turn into a miasma like valravn all that matters is that whatever "connection" is there. I would argue that he is way more than "interested" and gives waaaay more than a single shit. Until someone can give another reason why they did something no other apostle (even MCs own grandma who should be mad at him) did, and then spoke for the first time in plain ass English (from an apostle/non English speaking monster). The idea that he doesn't care about the MC seems illogical?

Edit: on top of that darkness speaking in English is unrelated to corruption which is what has been making the monster symbol language more readable for MC

 

[JerryBanana]

Aglaecwif mentioned that Jake was a potential inheritor of order but ended up being a failure. Does that mean that despite only being the spawn of authority he could have somehow got power's trait as well but failed to fulfill the conditions and is now blocked off from that, or that when being infected he could have somehow become a spawn of both but didn't?

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[OnlineRando]

There's a lot to tackle here so I'll just give the thinking behind it. To start off, WW confirmed that MC's split is 50/49/1. We know his dad isn't the problem with his mixture so that's 50% of the 3rd/Body. 49% would thus be of Memory since Syla is the previous 4th Spawn. Whatever tainted her equals 1% for MC. In WW words, that 1% "is a lot of shit", so feel free to speculate on what that could mean.

To get to Jake. He ruined his Authority trait because of his mindset. If he already starts off ruined, then there's no way to get Power trait or eventually Order. Powers are determined by genetics but your mindset also plays a part in this. Which is why Aglaecwif said that a weak mind can ruin potential. So, if we're to believe Ella, Jake had the potential to either unlock Power trait on evolution along the way or outright unlock Order itself. But, because he was too weak, mentally, it all crumbled. We don't know enough about the circumstances to say anything further.

As for MC and the Origin. The reason is pretty much explained in game by Syla and the Eye. MC didn't properly use his Memory trait and it wasn't developed enough. If he kept going the way he was going, he would've ended up like Jake with his Memory trait. Something Syla alludes to because he was leaning too much into the Body trait. Eventually his Memory trait was going to be flawed or lost altogether. So when Level 2 MC got shot straight to beyond Level 5 without advancing his Memory trait, it created flaws.

That's why you'll notice the Origin MC still used his tentacles for memories. While it did boost MC to beyond Level 5, it was essentially just Level 2 MC with no cap on power. It did have the ability to sync itself to the higher plane, but most of its abilities were the same as Level 2 MC. Even Level 3 MC memory usage was more advanced than what it showed. Which is why we never get to see the Evolution trait being put to full use. It was missing pieces, according to itself, and the Memory trait wasn't advanced enough to use the original trait of Evolution.

That's the general sentiment around this currently, at least from my own perspective. You'll have to ask other people for their views on it, if you want a different answer.


TLDR:

Jake ruined his Authority trait so he naturally wouldn't be able to use it together with Power Trait for Order. Regardless of the method he would use to unlock those two abilities.

MC was too weak at Level 2 with his memory trait for the Origin to properly unlock all of its power. Same with Jake, without the Memory trait being developed enough, Evolution can't be used properly. Among the other things it was missing.

MC's 1% is unknown and is a bunch of stuff, according to WW. However, he got lucky that it didn't affect him more, according to Syla and the Truth Monster in the 9th's dream. Whatever it is, it's probably not too important or won't play a big role. It's 1% against 50% of Body and 49% of Memory after all.

So WeirdWorld did confirm MC not being a 50/50. Maybe it's like I said then, that only perfect splits can use the "higher" traits, which might be supported by the 3rd and 4th actively trying to make a hybrid, which could be to make someone capable of using evolution.

Well, if the 1% is "A lot of shit", maybe we can one day flush the toilet if ya know what I'm saying.

As for Jake, that I knew. I just wondered how in the hell he would be a potential inheritor for order without having power, but I guess that's not something we can currently answer.

You may very well be right about MC not training memory being why he can't use evolution, since he pretty much did just abandon it for two evos, but I guess that'll probably fix itself with this training he just did.

However, I doubt the 1% won't affect much. In fact, its probably going to be something of a major plot point/device, especially if he can't use evo because of it. It might not affect his memory usage much, though.

 

[OnlineRando]

I mean we aren't talking about alleles and recessive traits and stuff we are talking about monster genes that change a person on a cellular level upon infection, which at a point (level 4) allows them to "ignore the laws of physics", we also don't know how extensive the "taking in" of bad stuff was for syla perhaps it's just as more deep rooted than a regular monster infection.

Telling the MC is a dumb move overall and even stupider considering the only goals that have been hinted at for syla are MC finish training because she has "a bad feeling" about the waking world, and that at some point in the future MC MIGHT be able to bring her (and bailey/oscar/etc) back from the immaterial.....neither of which is helped by her saying "by the way a creature that Ella described as invincible is going to hate you because you were born wrong but ONLY FOCUS ON TRAINING NOT THAT"

Why does MC showing darkness powers matter at all? It does not matter if he can turn into a miasma like valravn all that matters is that whatever "connection" is there. I would argue that he is way more than "interested" and gives waaaay more than a single shit. Until someone can give another reason why they did something no other apostle (even MCs own grandma who should be mad at him) did, and then spoke for the first time in plain ass English (from an apostle/non English speaking monster). The idea that he doesn't care about the MC seems illogical?

Edit: on top of that darkness speaking in English is unrelated to corruption which is what has been making the monster symbol language more readable for MC

What I'm saying is that the 7th would probably not care if someone had 1% of his trait, not that he doesn't care about MC. In fact, he clearly does care about MC, though the 3rd and 4th already know about him so they might just not have a reason to directly interact with him, since they, you know, made him. Also, memory doesn't seem to know yet that MC isn't a 50/50 split, so there's that.

My point is, why would the 7th care about a single-digit percent of his trait? We know its low, since he hasn't displayed any powers, and even in 50% in the case of the 3rd he doesn't seem to react like that. So, unless there are not supposed to be any beings with ANY darkness trait I don't see why he'd react like that because of it. In fact, as he is described as an apostle killer, he might just be sensing that MC is a body-memory mix, and wants to kill him.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

However, I doubt the 1% won't affect much. In fact, its probably going to be something of a major plot point/device, especially if he can't use evo because of it. It might not affect his memory usage much, though.

Well, the reasoning behind me not thinking the 1% is going to play a part is WW himself. He was pretty open about telling MC's split compared to Ella's. The fact that it's just 1% also leads me to believe that it would have an extremely, extremely low chance of granting MC something. Especially if it's a mixture of multiple things and not a singular thing.

The reason MC can't use the Evolution trait doesn't really have anything to do with the 1%. It's the fact that MC wasn't really training his Memory trait properly until now. However, we should start seeing a glimpse of what Evolution might grant since he's now progressing memory a lot.

 

[Simpgor]

However, I doubt the 1% won't affect much. In fact, its probably going to be something of a major plot point/device, especially if he can't use evo because of it. It might not affect his memory usage much, though.

to clarify my previous message: darkness is important in it will be a plot point (ie will be able to side with darkness at the end because of that 1%) not MC is going to start start using shadow tentacles.

I feel like the eye is reaaaaaaaalllllllly overselling themselves if they have been talking all this shit with MC (kill everyone/we won't be topped) but they don't know MC cant use their powers at all? WW has said he doesn't like "voice of gods" in his story so it makes sense the eye doesn't know everything but the idea that he doesn't know MC cant use his powers? The eye mentions that MC is one of his best chances to "be born" which only furthers the idea that MC is able to use Evolution (but couldn't in dead end because he was a himbo)

What I'm saying is that the 7th would probably not care if someone had 1% of his trait, not that he doesn't care about MC. In fact, he clearly does care about MC, though the 3rd and 4th already know about him so they might just not have a reason to directly interact with him, since they, you know, made him. Also, memory doesn't seem to know yet that MC isn't a 50/50 split, so there's that.

My point is, why would the 7th care about a single-digit percent of his trait? We know its low, since he hasn't displayed any powers, and even in 50% in the case of the 3rd he doesn't seem to react like that. So, unless there are not supposed to be any beings with ANY darkness trait I don't see why he'd react like that because of it. In fact, as he is described as an apostle killer, he might just be sensing that MC is a body-memory mix, and wants to kill him.

iirc the monster profiles WW has posted haven shown at least 1 monster having some darkness trait (Claire) and Valravn being part of the "syla group" (Indra, aos, valravn, syla etc) shows that it's unlikely that darkness means instakilled.

So he wants to kill MC and manages to pull his immaterial form (which MC is very inexperienced with) back into the "darkness" part of the dream then speaks to MC about his own (7ths) death...... and let's him go? Despite holding him....and wanting to kill him?

What if maybe:

Having that 1% allows MC to "side with darkness" at the end? Who we know wants some very "hardcore" stuff since valravn is always talking about how others "aren't willing to make sacrifices"

 

[OnlineRando]

Well, the reasoning behind me not thinking the 1% is going to play a part is WW himself. He was pretty open about telling MC's split compared to Ella's. The fact that it's just 1% also leads me to believe that it would have an extremely, extremely low chance of granting MC something. Especially if it's a mixture of multiple things and not a singular thing.

The reason MC can't use the Evolution trait doesn't really have anything to do with the 1%. It's the fact that MC wasn't really training his Memory trait properly until now. However, we should start seeing a glimpse of what Evolution might grant since he's now progressing memory a lot.

I hope you're right, but I can't help thinking it's not that simple. Obviously, 1% probably won't grant him anything, at least not close to the level of what he can do with body or memory, but how do you know it doesn't take away the opportunity for him to use evo? The game itself has never said anything about evo, or all other supposed "higher traits" even being a power; that's all conjecture using order as a base and taking repeating words from the scenes of the apostles in the dream training. There's nothing suggesting that if he trains memory he will suddenly start *insert doing something evo would probably do*. It might just be why the 4th wanted a spawn who is a 50/50 split, and would apparently hate MC since he isn't one.

 

[OnlineRando]

to clarify my previous message: darkness is important in it will be a plot point (ie will be able to side with darkness at the end because of that 1%) not MC is going to start start using shadow tentacles.

I feel like the eye is reaaaaaaaalllllllly overselling themselves if they have been talking all this shit with MC (kill everyone/we won't be topped) but they don't know MC cant use their powers at all? WW has said he doesn't like "voice of gods" in his story so it makes sense the eye doesn't know everything but the idea that he doesn't know MC cant use his powers? The eye mentions that MC is one of his best chances to "be born" which only furthers the idea that MC is able to use Evolution (but couldn't in dead end because he was a himbo)




iirc the monster profiles WW has posted haven shown at least 1 monster having some darkness trait (Claire) and Valravn being part of the "syla group" (Indra, aos, valravn, syla etc) shows that it's unlikely that darkness means instakilled.

So he wants to kill MC and manages to pull his immaterial form (which MC is very inexperienced with) back into the "darkness" part of the dream then speaks to MC about his own (7ths) death...... and let's him go? Despite holding him....and wanting to kill him?

What if maybe:

Having that 1% allows MC to "side with darkness" at the end? Who we know wants some very "hardcore" stuff since valravn is always talking about how others "aren't willing to make sacrifices"

I just rechecked the game, during the scene where he grabs you, he says "my death", "kill", and "Free. We will be free." and then lets mc go. From that it seems he wants MC to kill him and maybe the rest of the apostles, rather than to kill MC.

Minyak has 10% darkness as well.

In any case, my point is there is no reason for him to specifically care for the MC who MIGHT have 1% of darkness when there are monsters and probably people with more darkness, and when body, whom MC possesses 50% of his trait, does not react nearly as strongly, which suggests that the percentage is not why he reacts that way, not to mention someone said WW said the percent is a mix of stuff.

In my opinion, the 7th, like the eye, sees that MC may be the best chance for something to be "born again", be it an apostle or whatever else, and this something may possess the unique capability to truly kill apostles.

 

[Ddlc]

I think Syla telling Mc about him not being a 50/50 is actually a good move considering her intentions, she wants Mc to develop more on Memory because that is his only shot since he will never be a pure single trait, the other possibilities were:

1. Not telling him anything: Mc already focused too much on Body, if he kept like that gaining more experience on Memory wouldn't be enough to balance things out.
2. Telling him he is a 50/50: This would make him believe he has all the means to achieve his potential on Body and Memory equally and the only difference was training, but that is not the case, he needs to overcompensate on Memory because he is less compatible with that then Body.

If that is the case he needs to know all those things to enter into the correct state of mind, he focused too much on Body and needs to catch up on memory, he is not as compatible with memory and needs to overcompensate for that, having both traits balanced is his only chance since Body and Memory want either a pure trait or a 50/50.

 

[OnlineRando]

I think Syla telling Mc about him not being a 50/50 is actually a good move considering her intentions, she wants Mc to develop more on Memory because that is his only shot since he will never be a pure single trait, the other possibilities were:

1. Not telling him anything: Mc already focused too much on Body, if he kept like that gaining more experience on Memory wouldn't be enough to balance things out.
2. Telling him he is a 50/50: This would make him believe he has all the means to achieve his potential on Body and Memory equally and the only difference was training, but that is not the case, he needs to overcompensate on Memory because he is less compatible with that then Body.

If that is the case he needs to know all those things to enter into the correct state of mind, he focused too much on Body and needs to chat up on memory, he is not as compatible with memory and needs to overcompensate for that, having both traits balanced is his only chance since Body and Memory want either a pure trait or a 50/50.

I completely agree, there is no reason not to tell him something so important. In addition to what you said, not telling him is basically dooming him not being a perfect split to be discovered by the 4th, which probably is not something he wants.

 

[Simpgor]

In any case, my point is there is no reason for him to specifically care for the MC who MIGHT have 1% of darkness when there are monsters and probably people with more darkness, and when body, whom MC possesses 50% of his trait, does not react nearly as strongly, which suggests that the percentage is not why he reacts that way, not to mention someone said WW said the percent is a mix of stuff.

I mean.... no there isn't any need to be MC..... just wait for the next person capable of becoming an arbiter/whatever......who also has some of you in them before their infection....... that person also needs access to the immaterial realm, and someone to teach them the general idea about it so you can talk to them without worrying about pesky things that "avatars" or "other apostles"....?
Oh it also helps if that person is a "true spawn" as well.....

I don't understand how "having someone in a group stronger than the apostles with a percentage of you in them" is worse than "having a 100% chosen who will never beat any of the other Apostles ever much less the ones above them".

It doesn't matter that valravn is out there preparing for daddy darkness return because when light comes and slaps the armor off him, evolution (or any other) would be more useful to 7ths goals

 

[Ddlc]

Regarding Jake his state of mind really did play a role into not being compatible with Order, Jake believed himself to be so UTTERLY HELPLESS that any chance of getting Power seemed out of reach, when Ella found him and gave him a pill he was doing exactly that, he absolutely believes he is incapable of doing anything, of having the power to do something, even when he struggled he believed it was useless.
So when he got the ability to influence others to do his will he jumped into that, no need to do something, just control others to do it for you, how would someone like that develop Power as trait.
Now compare that to Michael, his core belief is to gain a strength of his own, to not rely on anyone else, there is no need to make others do something for him, he can and he will do things by himself, this guy's mindset is made for Power.

Now as for Jake losing his chance at Order i think the main reason is simply because we can kill him, i don't expect characters who can die to have a lot of importance on the plot, unless we are talking about Mc bringing people back from death, in that case maybe.
But considering Jake's path on the otherworld he is still on the same mindset, controled by strings pulled by something much more powerfull, he still believes he is helpless, now if you help him things are interesting, Mc is being held back by a will against hiw own, he has the means to escape but a opposing will stops him, Jake can use his authorithy to command Mc to escape using all his power to even things out, by helping Jake he mentions how this was the first time he managed to escape.

If this is a change in mindset i don't know but i think i'ts interesting how Jake lacked Power and Mc was held back by Authorithy so when Jake helped he gave Mc Authorithy to escape and in exchange achieved the Power he needed to escape too.

 

[OnlineRando]

Regarding Jake his state of mind really did play a role into not being compatible with Order, Jake believed himself to be so UTTERLY HELPLESS that any chance of getting Power seemed out of reach, when Ella found him and gave him a pill he was doing exactly that, he absolutely believes he is incapable of doing anything, of having the power to do something, even when he struggled he believed it was useless.
So when he got the ability to influence others to do his will he jumped into that, no need to do something, just control others to do it for you, how would someone like that develop Power as trait.
Now compare that to Michael, his core belief is to gain a strength of his own, to not rely on anyone else, there is no need to make others do something for him, he can and he will do things by himself, this guy's mindset is made for Power.

Now as for Jake losing his chance at Order i think the main reason is simply because we can kill him, i don't expect characters who can die to have a lot of importance on the plot, unless we are talking about Mc bringing people back from death, in that case maybe.
But considering Jake's path on the otherworld he is still on the same mindset, controled by strings pulled by something much more powerfull, he still believes he is helpless, now if you help him things are interesting, Mc is being held back by a will against hiw own, he has the means to escape but a opposing will stops him, Jake can use his authorithy to command Mc to escape using all his power to even things out, by helping Jake he mentions how this was the first time he managed to escape.

If this is a change in mindset i don't know but i think i'ts interesting how Jake lacked Power and Mc was held back by Authorithy so when Jake helped he gave Mc Authorithy to escape and in exchange achieved the Power he needed to escape too.

I suppose the question is whether or not he failed when awakening his powers by not getting both authority and power, or if he simply fumbled the bag in some way. Though his dying does not matter, as if I remember correctly, even if you don't kill him Aglaecwif says he is a failure.

 

[Tahxeol]

Do we have any information about the affiliation of the monster that got Oscar?
Because killing a monster as a normal human, without any preparation, and being ambushed would have probably be in perfect alignment with Power. It’s pretty sad his mind didn’t survive the process

 

[TheShelly]

Do we have any information about the affiliation of the monster that got Oscar?
Because killing a monster as a normal human, without any preparation, and being ambushed would have probably be in perfect alignment with Power. It’s pretty sad his mind didn’t survive the process

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. Very much a Light-attribute monster, considering its power is to literally shine light with supernatural effects.

 

[okokok]

Im not saying you're wrong, but Syla is kinda stupid. She might not know how genetics and stuff work, or might not understand what happened well or any other explanation, and IIRC she didn't outright say MC isn't a 50/50 split, but just said she wasn't because of what happened, and since there's a possibility he isn't because of her, telling MC is probably smart. Though, I get that her telling the MC that is probably just exposition and I shouldn't think about it too hard, but I just wondered if it was confirmed in any official capacity.

She's stupid when it comes to everyday human stuff, wouldn't mistake that for general stupidity

 

[Halis628]

this is what the quiet kid in class reads

 

[Gigachad]

Who's got the newest 'atron post, the one of Alice's new outfit? Alice best girl

 

[lorkdubo]

Who's got the newest 'atron post, the one of Alice's new outfit? Alice best girl

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[JmTrad]

Regarding Jake his state of mind really did play a role into not being compatible with Order, Jake believed himself to be so UTTERLY HELPLESS that any chance of getting Power seemed out of reach, when Ella found him and gave him a pill he was doing exactly that, he absolutely believes he is incapable of doing anything, of having the power to do something, even when he struggled he believed it was useless.
So when he got the ability to influence others to do his will he jumped into that, no need to do something, just control others to do it for you, how would someone like that develop Power as trait.
Now compare that to Michael, his core belief is to gain a strength of his own, to not rely on anyone else, there is no need to make others do something for him, he can and he will do things by himself, this guy's mindset is made for Power.

Now as for Jake losing his chance at Order i think the main reason is simply because we can kill him, i don't expect characters who can die to have a lot of importance on the plot, unless we are talking about Mc bringing people back from death, in that case maybe.
But considering Jake's path on the otherworld he is still on the same mindset, controled by strings pulled by something much more powerfull, he still believes he is helpless, now if you help him things are interesting, Mc is being held back by a will against hiw own, he has the means to escape but a opposing will stops him, Jake can use his authorithy to command Mc to escape using all his power to even things out, by helping Jake he mentions how this was the first time he managed to escape.

If this is a change in mindset i don't know but i think i'ts interesting how Jake lacked Power and Mc was held back by Authorithy so when Jake helped he gave Mc Authorithy to escape and in exchange achieved the Power he needed to escape too.

Jake vs Michael