VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.9999a Beta] [WeirdWorld]

[Dipasimaan]

You may be right, but you get my point; maybe at level five, even if the weakness wasn't resolved, Met's level one lightning would not be able to permanently put down MC, but it is still an incredibly huge advantage. So long as it hits MC, if he has that weakness, its pretty much either game over or MC finds a way to get away without being hit. In fact, I doubt current MC can survive level 1 Met's lightning, as EVEN IF we say Met's lighting wasn't strong enough to kill current MC at level 1, it would still stun MC by making him need to focus on controlling his body, leading to Met feeding him more lightning until MC just explodes. I don't even know if MC can dodge or react to lightning currently speed-wise, so saying he'd just dodge is questionable.

A level 1, even a peak one, isn't strong enough to damage a level 3 let alone a level 5. MC has a strong weakness to lightning, so much that at level 1 he got folded by a taser, but that's level 1 and right now he probably needs several tens of thousands of volts to get damaged. Met at level 1, even if he's a special superhuman doesn't have that kind of power, not even in his dreams. As of right now maybe, just maybe a level 2 Met could be enough if he doesn't get killed first

Edit: saying that lightning from a level 1 is enough to damage MC is like saying that a level 5 MC gets fucked by a nuke 'cause there will be nothing to regenerate, that's just stupid

 

[-Maniackanime-]

You may be right, but you get my point; maybe at level five, even if the weakness wasn't resolved, Met's level one lightning would not be able to permanently put down MC, but it is still an incredibly huge advantage. So long as it hits MC, if he has that weakness, its pretty much either game over or MC finds a way to get away without being hit. In fact, I doubt current MC can survive level 1 Met's lightning, as EVEN IF we say Met's lighting wasn't strong enough to kill current MC at level 1, it would still stun MC by making him need to focus on controlling his body, leading to Met feeding him more lightning until MC just explodes. I don't even know if MC can dodge or react to lightning currently speed-wise, so saying he'd just dodge is questionable.

I agree mc's greatest weakness currently is lightning but saying level 1 met can kill mc at lvl 3 is something else, mc wouldn't probably even notice something hit him at that point, it'd just be dealth with, with his resistance alone or with his control. You can't underestimate MC's tenacity.

But yes maybe lvl 2 can but his already lvl 3 no point in discussing this. Met lvl 3 vs a lvl 3 mc, will end on MC's defeat, met is just to powerful and fast, be it in close range, long range his just too op and It's just a bad match up, but then again I don't really see Met and Mc fighting, Met owes him a favor and all.

 

[Sayajin2205]

I agree mc's greatest weakness currently is lightning but saying level 1 met can kill mc at lvl 3 is something else, mc wouldn't probably even notice something hit him at that point, it'd just be dealth with, with his resistance alone or with his control. You can't underestimate MC's tenacity.

But yes maybe lvl 2 can but his already lvl 3 no point in discussing this. Met lvl 3 vs a lvl 3 mc, will end on MC's defeat, met is just to powerful and fast, be it in close range, long range his just too op and It's just a bad match up, but then again I don't really see Met and Mc fighting, Met owes him a favor and all.

Met isn't too powerful or too fast for the mc.Met and Evander had a draw whereas mc was starting to win against the twins combined forces.Met only wins because of the match up advantage because his lightning would fuck mc up not because he is too powerful and fast which he isn't in comparison to mc or even Evander.Met wins simply because of the matchup.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Met isn't too powerful or too fast for the mc.Met and Evander had a draw whereas mc was starting to win against the twins combined forces.Met only wins because of the match up advantage because his lightning would fuck mc up not because he is too powerful and fast which he isn't in comparison to mc or even Evander.Met wins simply because of the matchup.

Well yeah but it's also true that while in appearance MC and Evander was a bad match-up it was quite the opposite as whatever Evander destroyed has just grew back, meanwhile Met would just waste energy without any way to gain an upper hand

 

[OnlineRando]

Well yeah but it's also true that while in appearance MC and Evander was a bad match-up it was quite the opposite as whatever Evander destroyed has just grew back, meanwhile Met would just waste energy without any way to gain an upper hand

Met would not waste energy, nor would MC survive him, for MC, even currently, is too afraid to get forms of electrifying creatures like eels, or else he would have done so already. Im not saying one bolt would kill MC, but rather that one bolt would stun him while Met continues to ramp more bolts at him until MC loses control. As for tens of thousands of volts, firstly that is not the only thing that affects electricity's power, amperage is also highly important when measuring electric power, but its also extremely low for a lightning bolt to have below 100 million volts, so yeah. Most tasers have about 10000 volts, but none of that matters against MC as the slightest of electric currents make his power run wild. And MC has never shown to be able to shrug off even the weakest of electric attacks, nor was it shown to have changed since level one. I'd even argue it might have gotten worse since his power has grown stronger by hundreds of times and there is more of it to lose control of.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Met would not waste energy, nor would MC survive him, for MC, even currently, is too afraid to get forms of electrifying creatures like eels, or else he would have done so already. Im not saying one bolt would kill MC, but rather that one bolt would stun him while Met continues to ramp more bolts at him until MC loses control. As for tens of thousands of volts, firstly that is not the only thing that affects electricity's power, amperage is also highly important when measuring electric power, but its also extremely low for a lightning bolt to have below 100 million volts, so yeah. Most tasers have about 10000 volts, but none of that matters against MC as the slightest of electric currents make his power run wild. And MC has never shown to be able to shrug off even the weakest of electric attacks, nor was it shown to have changed since level one. I'd even argue it might have gotten worse since his power has grown stronger by hundreds of times and there is more of it to lose control of.

Okay first of all I was talking about MC vs Evander and Met vs Evander. I already said several times how current MC will get destroyed by current Met considering the bad match-up. Second of all, it was just a fucking example, I know electricity isn't only volts, everyone knows that. I don't know how much can MC resist, I only spouted some number to get a very vague image since we haven't seen him interacting with anything electrical.

Btw saying that now it's worse because MC is stronger is so retarded that I can't even fathom a possibility to how you have come up with it. I don't want to offend so excuse me but you have to understand when you're spouting bullshits

Also you have to understand how supernatural stuff works: Met isn't simply shooting pure lightnings, he's shooting some form of lightning powered by supernatural force so it may be easily stronger or weaker than a normal lightning

 

[Gtdead]

Met would not waste energy, nor would MC survive him, for MC, even currently, is too afraid to get forms of electrifying creatures like eels, or else he would have done so already. Im not saying one bolt would kill MC, but rather that one bolt would stun him while Met continues to ramp more bolts at him until MC loses control. As for tens of thousands of volts, firstly that is not the only thing that affects electricity's power, amperage is also highly important when measuring electric power, but its also extremely low for a lightning bolt to have below 100 million volts, so yeah. Most tasers have about 10000 volts, but none of that matters against MC as the slightest of electric currents make his power run wild. And MC has never shown to be able to shrug off even the weakest of electric attacks, nor was it shown to have changed since level one. I'd even argue it might have gotten worse since his power has grown stronger by hundreds of times and there is more of it to lose control of.

MC says that trying electric transformations is problematic. However this isn't the same as protecting himself from electricity.
1. Against Klaus we've seen him cut off limbs struck with tasers.
2. Against Hydra Deryl we've seen that when his flesh explodes, it actually causes damage to the surroundings so Met isn't necessarily safe in melee.
3. Against Jake we've seen that electricity increases his regeneration and his resistance to various effects.

4. Met holds his charge inside him for physical boosts. If he starts shooting, he will lose strength and mobility. MC is very good at protecting himself against projectiles, he can just sacrifice basic tentacles, he doesn't even need his heavy duty tails.
5. Without seeing it, we can't know what will happen if MC and Met engage into trading melee blows. It's possible that electricity boosted regeneration and the blowback from explosions will allow MC to trade more efficiently.
6. The last interaction is Met's heavy attacks, like his dragon form. If that's enough to erase MC, then Met wins, if not, again it depends on the efficiency of trading blows, going back to 5.

So while I think that Met has a good match up here, there are multiple ways this fight can be hard for him. If MC's weakness directly translates to inefficient trading in melee, then MC loses. But based on his track record, this weakness to electricity is far more complex than what meets the eye.

PS.
- These reasons are why there exists a long running theory that electricity is actually a blessing in disguise for MC.
- Zack stops MC from fighting with Met because "attempting to regenerate will expose him". So at the very least, it seems that even while holding back for the infiltration, MC is actually capable of at least surviving his attacks.

 

[Sayajin2205]

Well yeah but it's also true that while in appearance MC and Evander was a bad match-up it was quite the opposite as whatever Evander destroyed has just grew back, meanwhile Met would just waste energy without any way to gain an upper hand

Sure but this doesn't negate anything I said all I talked about was Mc losing because of the match up against Met due to electricity not because Met is too powerful and faster.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Sure but this doesn't negate anything I said all I talked about was Mc losing because of the match up against Met due to electricity not because Met is too powerful and faster.

Oh no don't worry my dear brother I'm with you, I was just a little bit agitated by the various wrong opinions that were being thrown out

 

[shujuku]

if mc is weak to lightning why does he just not make metal rods that protrude into the ground to nullify electricity? WEAK LOGIC.

 

[TheShelly]

if mc is weak to lightning why does he just not make metal rods that protrude into the ground to nullify electricity? WEAK LOGIC.

Because all matter made of his cells shares is weakness. MC could transform his whole body to steel, but the weakness would persist ontop of the usual characteristics steel usually would have. If its made from MC, its weak to electricity.

 

[Gtdead]

if mc is weak to lightning why does he just not make metal rods that protrude into the ground to nullify electricity? WEAK LOGIC.

Because as he explains, the material he uses doesn't matter. Metal, plastic, the result is always the same. Once electricity touches him, he explodes.

 

[Dipasimaan]

if mc is weak to lightning why does he just not make metal rods that protrude into the ground to nullify electricity? WEAK LOGIC.

 

[OnlineRando]

MC says that trying electric transformations is problematic. However this isn't the same as protecting himself from electricity.
1. Against Klaus we've seen him cut off limbs struck with tasers.
2. Against Hydra Deryl we've seen that when his flesh explodes, it actually causes damage to the surroundings so Met isn't necessarily safe in melee.
3. Against Jake we've seen that electricity increases his regeneration and his resistance to various effects.

4. Met holds his charge inside him for physical boosts. If he starts shooting, he will lose strength and mobility. MC is very good at protecting himself against projectiles, he can just sacrifice basic tentacles, he doesn't even need his heavy duty tails.
5. Without seeing it, we can't know what will happen if MC and Met engage into trading melee blows. It's possible that electricity boosted regeneration and the blowback from explosions will allow MC to trade more efficiently.
6. The last interaction is Met's heavy attacks, like his dragon form. If that's enough to erase MC, then Met wins, if not, again it depends on the efficiency of trading blows, going back to 5.

So while I think that Met has a good match up here, there are multiple ways this fight can be hard for him. If MC's weakness directly translates to inefficient trading in melee, then MC loses. But based on his track record, this weakness to electricity is far more complex than what meets the eye.

PS.
- These reasons are why there exists a long running theory that electricity is actually a blessing in disguise for MC.
- Zack stops MC from fighting with Met because "attempting to regenerate will expose him". So at the very least, it seems that even while holding back for the infiltration, MC is actually capable of at least surviving his attacks.

Some very good points. MC would probably not lose against Met easily, but the matchup is EXTREMELY bad for him. One good hit from Met which MC can't evade/sacrifice the affected limb, would likely cause what happened against Klaus' henchmen with the taser, but Met likely won't let up when seeing MC isn't doing anything. And unless the lightning isn't actually lightning speed, I don't see MC dodging the projectiles consistently, so if anyone has anti-feats for Met's lightning or lightning reaction feats for MC that'd help.

 

[OnlineRando]

Okay first of all I was talking about MC vs Evander and Met vs Evander. I already said several times how current MC will get destroyed by current Met considering the bad match-up. Second of all, it was just a fucking example, I know electricity isn't only volts, everyone knows that. I don't know how much can MC resist, I only spouted some number to get a very vague image since we haven't seen him interacting with anything electrical.

Btw saying that now it's worse because MC is stronger is so retarded that I can't even fathom a possibility to how you have come up with it. I don't want to offend so excuse me but you have to understand when you're spouting bullshits

Also you have to understand how supernatural stuff works: Met isn't simply shooting pure lightnings, he's shooting some form of lightning powered by supernatural force so it may be easily stronger or weaker than a normal lightning

I was saying it COULD be worse. It makes sense; if you have a balloon filled with air, and something makes the air crash into the balloon aggressively, the more air there is the more chance there is for the balloon to burst. But I agree its not confirmed in the slightest.

As for supernatural lightning, there is nothing saying it is NOT lightning speed (as far as I know/remember, not to mention tiffany moves at the speed of light AT LEVEL 1, so it's not far-fetched for lightning to go at lightning speeds at level 3), and I doubt Met's lightning would go faster than actual lightning before the limit breaker stage.

 

[Gtdead]

Some very good points. MC would probably not lose against Met easily, but the matchup is EXTREMELY bad for him. One good hit from Met which MC can't evade/sacrifice the affected limb, would likely cause what happened against Klaus' henchmen with the taser, but Met likely won't let up when seeing MC isn't doing anything. And unless the lightning isn't actually lightning speed, I don't see MC dodging the projectiles consistently, so if anyone has anti-feats for Met's lightning or lightning reaction feats for MC that'd help.

The way I see it, he doesn't need to dodge. He can just block them by keeping some tentacles between him and Met, the same way he did against Evander (although Evander could actually mow through the tentacles thanks to his power). So unless Met is such a good marksman that can consistently shoot through small gaps against a moving target, or his lightning spear is capable of penetrating multiple obstacles, chances are that he will have huge trouble landing even one.

Met will need to constantly reposition himself and shoot from blindspots, but since he has to hold the charge inside him to boost his physical attributes, I'm not sure if that's possible or sustainable past 1-2 attempts. It will leave him vulnerable and MC can adapt by just making more eyes.

PS. I just remembered that Met has an additional way to fight at range. The one that he constantly warns the others that "letting his charge inside them was a mistake". I'm not sure exactly what's up with that. I'll give it a second look.

 

[1971monkeynuts]

good game, my nut likes

 

[OnlineRando]

The way I see it, he doesn't need to dodge. He can just block them by keeping some tentacles between him and Met, the same way he did against Evander (although Evander could actually mow through the tentacles thanks to his power). So unless Met is such a good marksman that can consistently shoot through small gaps against a moving target, or his lightning spear is capable of penetrating multiple obstacles, chances are that he will have huge trouble landing even one.

Met will need to constantly reposition himself and shoot from blindspots, but since he has to hold the charge inside him to boost his physical attributes, I'm not sure if that's possible or sustainable past 1-2 attempts. It will leave him vulnerable and MC can adapt by just making more eyes.

PS. I just remembered that Met has an additional way to fight at range. The one that he constantly warns the others that "letting his charge inside them was a mistake". I'm not sure exactly what's up with that. I'll give it a second look.

I wouldn't put it past Met to be a great marksman, considering he was trained from childhood like Micheal and was a mercenary, but I don't know if he's good enough to do what you said. Regardless, I don't think he has to put all his energy into every single one of his bolts, or if he did, he can just attack melee, the electricity should still affect MC, although at lower potency over a larger amount of time, with possibly more precision.

Also I wouldn't be surprised that Met is much stronger physically than MC usually is, considering almost every physically inclined superhuman is, even if their body doesn't have to do much with their body *cough* *cough* Alice *cough*

 

[Gtdead]

I wouldn't put it past Met to be a great marksman, considering he was trained from childhood like Micheal and was a mercenary, but I don't know if he's good enough to do what you said. Regardless, I don't think he has to put all his energy into every single one of his bolts, or if he did, he can just attack melee, the electricity should still affect MC, although at lower potency over a larger amount of time, with possibly more precision.

Also I wouldn't be surprised that Met is much stronger physically than MC usually is, considering almost every physically inclined superhuman is, even if their body doesn't have to do much with their body *cough* *cough* Alice *cough*

Yeah, which goes back to the trading argument. Tbh, normally I wouldn't expect MC to be able to trade efficiently with Met. Even if MC has become significantly better at melee combat he still has much to learn and Met is both a great warrior and his whole body can be used for defense as long as electricity runs through it.

If it wasn't for electricity boosting his regeneration I wouldn't really entertain this. Considering how much this weakness has been teased though.. I really expect the interactions to be fully counterintuitive.

 

[Sayajin2205]

Also I wouldn't be surprised that Met is much stronger physically than MC usually is, considering almost every physically inclined superhuman is, even if their body doesn't have to do much with their body *cough* *cough* Alice *cough*

That's true for base mc form but with the amount of enhancements mc gets through his transformations it isn't true.