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The second is Demi, a side character who is genderfluid and whose sex is player determinant. Whichever the player chooses the MC to assume is Demi's sex upon first meeting them, that's what they are. Their appearance otherwise doesn't change, meaning that the trap tag could be applied to a Demi with a penis.
I don't recall Demi saying she was genderfluid, and I'm not sure I think that the player being able to choose their gender makes them genderfluid. Was this revealed in a WW stream? Seems like a lot of stuff is only discussed there.
 

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I don't recall Demi saying she was genderfluid, and I'm not sure I think that the player being able to choose their gender makes them genderfluid. Was this revealed in a WW stream? Seems like a lot of stuff is only discussed there.
Demi's actions in-game do pretty much line up with that interpretation. Due to Demi's power manipulating visual perception their gender literally is whatever the person viewing them feels like. Demi themselves is entirely willing to go along with it regardless of what their actual physical sex is, having no actual preferred pronouns and a love of trolling.
 
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I don't recall Demi saying she was genderfluid, and I'm not sure I think that the player being able to choose their gender makes them genderfluid. Was this revealed in a WW stream? Seems like a lot of stuff is only discussed there.
I'm inferring from their behavior. Demi never explicitly says that they're genderfluid. But in early scenes they're constantly swapping what gender they tell people they are, and Mia and Jake say that Demi has been doing that for as long as they've known them. "Genderfluid" might not be the best word for it, saying that they're agender might be more accurate since they don't mind which gender they're referred to as, but I think there's some element of it to their identity.
 
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I have some questions, FYI sub Day 15 player.
Why can't I turn down Alice when she tells me to steal? Did I pick some hidden choice?
Why does MC act so nice to Ella even though I picked every "choice" to not like her or see her antagonistically? MC says a line or to after the decision but throughout the game when she comes up MC acts favourably towards her, like she didn't try to drug, kill or take away your humanity and tried doing the same to your friends?
 
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I have some questions, FYI sub Day 15 player.
Why can't I turn down Alice when she tells me to steal? Did I pick some hidden choice?
Why does MC act so nice to Ella even though I picked every "choice" to not like her or see her antagonistically? MC says a line or to after the decision but throughout the game when she comes up MC acts favourably towards her, like she didn't try to drug, kill or take away your humanity and tried doing the same to your friends?
You cant turn down Alice because it was chosen in an early Patreon poll. You humor Ella's antics because realistically you cant do shit about her. She is just way too strong in comparison to you, so why waste energy on hating her?
 

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I have some questions, FYI sub Day 15 player.
Why can't I turn down Alice when she tells me to steal? Did I pick some hidden choice?
Why does MC act so nice to Ella even though I picked every "choice" to not like her or see her antagonistically? MC says a line or to after the decision but throughout the game when she comes up MC acts favourably towards her, like she didn't try to drug, kill or take away your humanity and tried doing the same to your friends?
Those are set interactions in the story. You can't alter them much. I think a better way to say it is that those are linear things that can't be diverted. You need to interact with Alice to progress the Mafia side. You also have to be neutral towards Ella and be oblivious to her behavior or else it wouldn't be justified for him to mindlessly run to her at every chance when he's "stuck" and can't progress. Pretty much, she's a forced mentor that some MCs didn't even ask for.

You cant turn down Alice because it was chosen in an early Patreon poll. You humor Ella's antics because realistically you cant do shit about her. She is just way too strong in comparison to you, so why waste energy on hating her?
I disagree. Just because Ella is stronger, that doesn't mean you have to deal with her. It's not even a power thing. Not referring to you, but a lot of people are under the illusion that not wanting to interact with Ella means you want to fight her or something. That's not the case. It's about MC saying one thing and doing the complete opposite towards her like he never said it. That has nothing to do with power. MC is being forced to interact with her and the choices don't matter.
 
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I have some questions, FYI sub Day 15 player.
Why can't I turn down Alice when she tells me to steal? Did I pick some hidden choice?
Why does MC act so nice to Ella even though I picked every "choice" to not like her or see her antagonistically? MC says a line or to after the decision but throughout the game when she comes up MC acts favourably towards her, like she didn't try to drug, kill or take away your humanity and tried doing the same to your friends?
Are you talking about the small errands she asks you to do for money?
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Notebook broke and you need money to simp to cam girls. Lol.

About Ella, there is a lot what can be said, outside of what people already said she is your only door at the moment to this supernatural stuff.
 

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Those are set interactions in the story. You can't alter them much. I think a better way to say it is that those are linear things that can't be diverted. You need to interact with Alice to progress the Mafia side. You also have to be neutral towards Ella and be oblivious to her behavior or else it wouldn't be justified for him to mindlessly run to her at every chance when he's "stuck" and can't progress. Pretty much, she's a forced mentor that some MCs didn't even ask for.


I disagree. Just because Ella is stronger, that doesn't mean you have to deal with her. It's not even a power thing. Not referring to you, but a lot of people are under the illusion that not wanting to interact with Ella means you want to fight her or something. That's not the case. It's about MC saying one thing and doing the complete opposite towards her like he never said it. That has nothing to do with power. MC is being forced to interact with her and the choices don't matter.
I have some questions, FYI sub Day 15 player.
Why can't I turn down Alice when she tells me to steal? Did I pick some hidden choice?
Why does MC act so nice to Ella even though I picked every "choice" to not like her or see her antagonistically? MC says a line or to after the decision but throughout the game when she comes up MC acts favourably towards her, like she didn't try to drug, kill or take away your humanity and tried doing the same to your friends?
You guys are way too emotional for our MC. He isnt a complete self-insert. If you tend to bitch about "little things" you will be disappointed with his behavior at times as - unlike you - he doesnt give that much of a fuck and just shrugs and keeps pushing forward.

He isnt even really able to dislike/hate cole or tanos thaaat much, less than you seem to dislike ella, and ella's at least crazy in the sheets :ROFLMAO: :whistle:

So yeah, stop bitching and just shrug it off
 

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Those are set interactions in the story. You can't alter them much. I think a better way to say it is that those are linear things that can't be diverted. You need to interact with Alice to progress the Mafia side. You also have to be neutral towards Ella and be oblivious to her behavior or else it wouldn't be justified for him to mindlessly run to her at every chance when he's "stuck" and can't progress. Pretty much, she's a forced mentor that some MCs didn't even ask for.


I disagree. Just because Ella is stronger, that doesn't mean you have to deal with her. It's not even a power thing. Not referring to you, but a lot of people are under the illusion that not wanting to interact with Ella means you want to fight her or something. That's not the case. It's about MC saying one thing and doing the complete opposite towards her like he never said it. That has nothing to do with power. MC is being forced to interact with her and the choices don't matter.
Thanks, but right after i commented that I played the party scene and Oh my fucking good, there is no way she not a villain right!? Please tell me MC has half a braincell, and please tell me she's not going to be the Sakura of the story
 

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You guys are way too emotional for our MC. He isnt a complete self-insert. If you tend to bitch about "little things" you will be disappointed with his behavior at times as - unlike you - he doesnt give that much of a fuck and just shrugs and keeps pushing forward.

He isnt even really able to dislike/hate cole or tanos thaaat much, less than you seem to dislike ella, and ella's at least crazy in the sheets :ROFLMAO: :whistle:

So yeah, stop bitching and just shrug it off
If a chick I know single-handedly is responsible for a massacre that has one of my best friends that could've been one of those victims, then yeah I will "bitch" about it. Sorry I'm not a sociopath
 

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Thanks, but right after i commented that I played the party scene and Oh my fucking good, there is no way she not a villain right!? Please tell me MC has half a braincell, and please tell me she's not going to be the Sakura of the story
You will eventually be able to be antagonistic to Ella, in fact you will even miss scenes with her by doing that. However she will still be a constant in Mc's life up until last update, no matter if you have a good or bad relationship with her. Though i do believe that following the path you are going will make her an enemy one day.

The discussion of Ella being "evil" or not is also a huge one here, we still don't have the full scope of her plans or even intentions so you will find people arguing both cases.
 

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If a chick I know single-handedly is responsible for a massacre that has one of my best friends that could've been one of those victims, then yeah I will "bitch" about it. Sorry I'm not a sociopath
Well, the MC kinda is ... at least a little bit :ROFLMAO: he's very very apathetic

Edit: But reading all your comments, everything is very different than you seem to imagine i think. This is not the type of story you imagine it to be, just let it surprise you. Everything is very grey here instead of black and white.
 
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You guys are way too emotional for our MC. He isnt a complete self-insert. If you tend to bitch about "little things" you will be disappointed with his behavior at times as - unlike you - he doesnt give that much of a fuck and just shrugs and keeps pushing forward.

He isnt even really able to dislike/hate cole or tanos thaaat much, less than you seem to dislike ella, and ella's at least crazy in the sheets :ROFLMAO: :whistle:

So yeah, stop bitching and just shrug it off
Not even the point. It's not about being "emotional" or wanting MC to "bitch about small stuff". Which some of it isn't small, by no means. It's also not about love or hate either. It's about being given a choice and said choice doesn't reflect what was chosen. If I choose not to interact with someone because I said they're up to no good, and I then turn around to do the opposite like I never said it, you wouldn't find that weird behavior?

Which is why those choices should be removed from the game altogether. No point in the illusion of choice when they don't persist beyond those individual interactions.
 
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Well, the MC kinda is ... at least a little bit :ROFLMAO: he's very very apathetic

Edit: But reading all your comments, everything is very different than you seem to imagine i think. This is not the type of story you imagine it to be, just let it surprise you. Everything is very grey here instead of black and white.
OK let's say what you said before about the MC being not a self insert, even though that goes against the whole vibe i got after reading the description of the game. MC Defends Deryl from the "what's his name" blond jock, takes a punch for him and that is not done by the player i.e me. But then where a massacre happens where you would be foolish to think your friend can't be one of the victims, but not just that, your old crush or even a new crush, and youre telling MC just goes "humtidumtidum, Hey Ella that massacre was lit."
 

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Thanks, but right after i commented that I played the party scene and Oh my fucking good, there is no way she not a villain right!? Please tell me MC has half a braincell, and please tell me she's not going to be the Sakura of the story
I already answered that in my first response.

You also have to be neutral towards Ella and be oblivious to her behavior or else it wouldn't be justified for him to mindlessly run to her at every chance when he's "stuck" and can't progress.
 

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DrakoGhoul In case you are wondering why I'm yapping instead of just playing the game, I like the story in concept, like the atmosphere, umm... art... I just don't want to get into it later finding out its a kinetic novel disguised as a VN
 
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