RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

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Hello, to meet many fans' requirements and suggestions, I will decrease some unnecessary contents many people dislike and speed up the story a little. I’m working on the Thursday story now. And it snow heavily these two days in Tokyo, the weather is getting colder, I hope everyone take care and don't catch cold. thank you very much!

為瞭解決大家反映的進度問題，會適度減少一些大家不感興趣的內容，並在劇情上稍微提速，目前在完成周四的白天部分，晚上FOG遊戲裏的內容也已經決定好了，今天東京發佈了大雪警報，電車很多都發了停運預告，明天也不知道能不能上班，天氣寒冷，大家也請注意身體，謝謝各位！

It is not said in the English portion but the Chinese portion confirmed there will be FOG content on Thursday! More battle harassments!!!

so Fujino changed his plans for Thursday, and sped things up. Many people upset that the scene in Thursday's preview turned out to be another dream. (and Inoda's dream, which is pretty questionable for NTR.)
In personal messages I wrote fujino about ideas how to push the plot and wrote about concentrating the action on FOG more than on the real, as it is much easier to push the action under the pretext that it is a game and not real.
There was a little more text, but Fujino ended up thanking me for the ideas.

I'll see what happens next.

 

[4-kun]

Makes me worried what Fujino could count as "unnecessary contents many people dislike", because all the people whining care exclusively about more Inoda and Asuna so that could mean reducing literally everything else, which would honestly suck after the quite original and interesting development with Suguha in the previous update. Just hope Fujino isn't forcing himself to do just what others want...

Yeah, but overall, it seem, he'll keep his idea for the main plot, and only speed up a little

 

[SGod]

a little

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Yeah, but overall, it seem, he'll keep his idea for the main plot, and only speed up a little

I have no issues with him speeding up the main plot, as you know I'm not particularly into it, what worries me is that the complaints make it so that the rest of the plots get their content cut/reduced compared to how he had planned them, or outright changed, especially Suguha's (Like, it would be so much easier and take less screentime to just slide her back into Hebishima's "NTR-ed" slut rather than continue her new and interesting twist if he suddenly cut off other stuff for the sake of more focus in Asuna/Inoda). I guess at this point we can just wait and see tbh, and hope he's not so easily pressured by others telling him what to do :O

 

[Anzai1337]

That's good news, sexual harassment during the battle in fog, Liz is very likely to lend a little help. Kirito you need new friends man, looking forward to another update and I hope it's Asuna having the taste of real dick, poor cuckirito

 

[4-kun]

I have no issues with him speeding up the main plot, as you know I'm not particularly into it, what worries me is that the complaints make it so that the rest of the plots get their content cut/reduced compared to how he had planned them, or outright changed, especially Suguha's (Like, it would be so much easier and take less screentime to just slide her back into Hebishima's "NTR-ed" slut rather than continue her new and interesting twist if he suddenly cut off other stuff for the sake of more focus in Asuna/Inoda). I guess at this point we can just wait and see tbh, and hope he's not so easily pressured by others telling him what to do :O

Same here, I hope he keeps Sugu content as planned. Maybe if he moves up the main plot a bit, they'll calm down

 

[Queen_Nothing]

I wouldn't care if all the Sugu/Sinon/Alice* content got cut down going forward, because their stories have never had anything to do with the Kirito, Asuna and Inoda plot. If you remember in part 1, they were just there to add scenes. Like when Charlie shows you videos, or there were posts on the perv forum, or the video shop in FoG. The focus of the game was still 90% Kirito's day-to-day, going betwen school and FoG with Asuna, with Inoda taking his opportunities with Asuna wherever he could get them.

* Notice I didn't put Liz in there? Because she is at least directly tied to the main plot, albeit in a secondary way as Inoda's co-conspirator. But I'll be honest, I don't like Liz' bdsm sadist content or the direction it might be going. But Sugu who, until the last update where she lewded Kirito, was just there for Kirito to talk to at the bar between scenes with Hebishima. Basically, I want to see the side characters being used in the main plot, or not at all. I can see the Alice sub-plot we got so far all being an excuse for Kirito to get to the house next to the brothel, which could make for some great NTR moments in the future. If that's what it was for, that's okay. But it probably should have been a shorter event, exactly when there was something to see.

I think another problem might be that Fujino believes 'Sister-NTR' is just as good as real NTR, so to Fujino all the content about Sugu is 'on theme' and not just a distraction.

 

[4-kun]

I wouldn't care if all the Sugu/Sinon/Alice* content got cut down going forward, because their stories have never had anything to do with the Kirito, Asuna and Inoda plot. If you remember in part 1, they were just there to add scenes. Like when Charlie shows you videos, or there were posts on the perv forum, or the video shop in FoG. The focus of the game was still 90% Kirito's day-to-day, going betwen school and FoG with Asuna, with Inoda taking his opportunities with Asuna wherever he could get them.

* Notice I didn't put Liz in there? Because she is at least directly tied to the main plot, albeit in a secondary way as Inoda's co-conspirator. But I'll be honest, I don't like Liz' bdsm sadist content or the direction it might be going. But Sugu who, until the last update where she lewded Kirito, was just there for Kirito to talk to at the bar between scenes with Hebishima. Basically, I want to see the side characters being used in the main plot, or not at all. I can see the Alice sub-plot we got so far all being an excuse for Kirito to get to the house next to the brothel, which could make for some great NTR moments in the future. If that's what it was for, that's okay. But it probably should have been a shorter event, exactly when there was something to see.

I think another problem might be that Fujino believes 'Sister-NTR' is just as good as real NTR, so to Fujino all the content about Sugu is 'on theme' and not just a distraction.

Well, yeah, part 1 was a different game; the side characters had only a loose connection to the main plot through Kirito's interaction with them. But in part 2, it seems Fujino wants to create a more connected overall story. As for Sugu, it makes total sense, since she is basically the 2nd girl after Asuna in the original work. As for Sinon and Alice, I don't know, maybe just filler material, or maybe not; only Fujino knows

But cutting all of them would make the game basically a very linear VN.

I think another problem might be that Fujino believes 'Sister-NTR' is just as good as real NTR, so to Fujino all the content about Sugu is 'on theme' and not just a distraction.

Or maybe he wants Sugu to NTR Asuna. As an Indoda counterpart of sorts, would be unique.^^

 

[bucefala]

I hope not. Without interacting with other woman, poor Kirito will nothing to do all day while Asuna is spending more time with Inoda. Klein does not count. It is too early for the two guys watching porn together all day. Maybe at the ending?

True, it helps me more easily digest ntr if mc spends time with other girls when he is cucked, even if those girls are also sluts for everyone but mc. I like the mc having positive interactions with other female characters, not necessarily sexy in nature, and also for mc to have postive and romantic interactions with the gf when they spend time together. Maybe thats just me.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I wouldn't care if all the Sugu/Sinon/Alice* content got cut down going forward, because their stories have never had anything to do with the Kirito, Asuna and Inoda plot. If you remember in part 1, they were just there to add scenes. Like when Charlie shows you videos, or there were posts on the perv forum, or the video shop in FoG. The focus of the game was still 90% Kirito's day-to-day, going betwen school and FoG with Asuna, with Inoda taking his opportunities with Asuna wherever he could get them.

* Notice I didn't put Liz in there? Because she is at least directly tied to the main plot, albeit in a secondary way as Inoda's co-conspirator. But I'll be honest, I don't like Liz' bdsm sadist content or the direction it might be going. But Sugu who, until the last update where she lewded Kirito, was just there for Kirito to talk to at the bar between scenes with Hebishima. Basically, I want to see the side characters being used in the main plot, or not at all. I can see the Alice sub-plot we got so far all being an excuse for Kirito to get to the house next to the brothel, which could make for some great NTR moments in the future. If that's what it was for, that's okay. But it probably should have been a shorter event, exactly when there was something to see.

I think another problem might be that Fujino believes 'Sister-NTR' is just as good as real NTR, so to Fujino all the content about Sugu is 'on theme' and not just a distraction.

The issue with that last bit is that Fujino probably just thinks like most that having any girl romantically interested in the MC be fucked by someone else counts as 'NTR', which a ton of series do, and SAO has a lot of specifically despite it not being NTR, which is why he specifically twisted the timeline in a way that made no sense Canon SAO-wise just so Suguha could be 'NTR-ed' because he removed the entire arc where she came to terms with her feelings and ended up confessing to Kirito...but the arc somehow still happened in his AU despite the fact this should have been impossible without Sugu's involvement :O

And the thing is that Fujino was probably used from his previous games to making side-plots be as irrelevant or screentime-consuming to the main plot as he wanted and most people didn't care because they still got what they wanted, which is why originally the stories were firmly separated and he even went out of his way to create in-universe excuses to keep the plots separated both in Part 1 and then later in Part 2 this was already firmly established (Like how he specifically made sure to work Alice's plot around Kirito's IRL obligations and issues). The closest of the plots 'crossing over' we have seen was, hilariously, the latest update, when Alice letting him have the magical medicine thing is what caused 'ripples' across the whole plot: This made Suguha horny enough to masturbate him, this caused Asuna to be raped by berserk-horny Kirito, which made Sugu's lust get out of control enough she apparently did MORE things to him offscreen, twice even, and later also made her apparently try to screw Hebishima over in FoG.

The irony is that this may actually end up being a one-time-thing because of how much people complained about this update XD

Well, yeah, part 1 was a different game; the side characters had only a loose connection to the main plot through Kirito's interaction with them. But in part 2, it seems Fujino wants to create a more connected overall story. As for Sugu, it makes total sense, since she is basically the 2nd girl after Asuna in the original work. As for Sinon and Alice, I don't know, maybe just filler material, or maybe not; only Fujino knows

But cutting all of them would make the game basically a very linear VN.



Or maybe he wants Sugu to NTR Asuna. As an Indoda counterpart of sorts, would be unique.^^

Man, it would be great if that last bit came true, but I seriously doubt it at this point of the game, maybe if it had been set up in Part 1 it would have been possible, but at this point it's more likely is just gonna be the resolution for Suguha's own plot whatever comes out of her latest actions XP

 

[ron34]

What made the first part NTR good imo; The events were out of the characters hands, not entirely, but they were. Inoda getting beat up and Asuna helping him recover. Inoda choosing quests that could lead him to have sex with Asuna. Asuna being kidnapped. Followed by rainy day.
In the second part, we get a reset. The events still happen, but are WASTED. Rather than what we got in the first part, we get Inoda wooing Asuna. Nothing happened at the Karaoke scene, the massage scene, and it felt like Inoda was the one getting cucked during the cooking scene. FOG is being used by Alice, and Saguha content has overstayed its welcome.
Rather than introducing Lisbeth, Fujino should've added Yui instead. Yui could mistakenly recognize Inoda as her dad, and push them closer in FOG. Having NTR spilled over from FOG to the real world like the first part was better than what we getting.

 

[oozaru2023]

so Fujino changed his plans for Thursday, and sped things up. Many people upset that the scene in Thursday's preview turned out to be another dream. (and Inoda's dream, which is pretty questionable for NTR.)
In personal messages I wrote fujino about ideas how to push the plot and wrote about concentrating the action on FOG more than on the real, as it is much easier to push the action under the pretext that it is a game and not real.
There was a little more text, but Fujino ended up thanking me for the ideas.

I'll see what happens next.

it is good that you tell him not to be overwhelmed by the amount of hate or complaints he receives and to continue with the plan he has already drawn up, perhaps with some modifications.

 

[renjen]

Do yall think if Fujino just focused on finishing the Asuna/Inoda main story and then went back to fill in all the side-character scenes that he wanted to do, people would be more accepting of all the side content?

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Do yall think if Fujino just focused on finishing the Asuna/Inoda main story and then went back to fill in all the side-character scenes that he wanted to do, people would be more accepting of all the side content?

Maybe so, but the issue is that he either wouldn't have the motivation at that point or it would probably feel too shoehorned for him.

Something I mentioned briefly is that I think Fujino isn't used to people responding like this (Aside from how bad he was after his situation having to move from China to continue making his games) because he had never actually DEALT with something like this.

Like, for example, let's look at his Fate games, putting aside the Nero one he abandoned: The 'Scathach Chapter' one was relatively successful up to the end without big things...however, something a lot don't really bring up, is that then we got "Sakura Chapter" which was its direct sequel despite completely shifting the focus of the main characters and the NTR. Like, literally, the main NTR characters from the first game became secondary characters that only appeared as background/phone moments and the focus of it all shifted completely to a character that had only barely been introduced in 'Chapter 1'...yet I'm pretty sure in general almost nobody complained and Sakura Chapter ended up being a massive success, more so than its first chapter actually.

Now then, imagine what would have happened if after the 'Rainy Night', Fujino had announced SAO Part 2 was "Suguha chapter", Asuna being NTR-ed by Inoda was now set in stone but became a background thing and now all the focus had been shifted to Suguha's plot with Hebishima. How much of a shitstorm do you think people's reactions would have been like, people shitting on Fujino, and countless outright unsubscribing from his paid sites XD?

This is what I think is a key thing, Fujino did NOT expect his SAO game to become so popular because he had never dealt with the amount of interest he got from doing an SAO game compared to when he did his previous Fate games and so mistakenly believed he could do several sub-plots and focuses at his pace because he had previous dealt with a whole-ass complete change in main heroine and focus for his game and got positive results, not getting one thing: In a weird parallel to the fans of actual SAO, the people who wants SAO NTR doesn't give a shit about the other girls, all they want is to see Asuna getting NTR-ed by the ugly bastard of turn above all else, and consider everything else unnecessary (Something I find very sigh-worthy as one of the few people that doesn't care that much about Asuna nowadays, be it in main SAO or Hentai).

This is I believe one of the main reasons the development of Part 2 has been so accidented and had him going back and forth with his decisions, he just never expected such overwhelming and negative reactions to things he had done in the past to different degrees, and this combined with his quite brutal personal issues ended up making him be all over the place with the main plot thanks to trying to balance his own view with what everyone else wanted, and also the issues caused by listening to the honestly inefficient (Because he didn't bother locking them down to one vote per Google Account) polls he has been making lately too.

 

[4-kun]

Do yall think if Fujino just focused on finishing the Asuna/Inoda main story and then went back to fill in all the side-character scenes that he wanted to do, people would be more accepting of all the side content?

From a coding perspective, it's an insane thing to do. Going back to finished code and implementing new subplots, there is no way someone would do that; the amount of work and the huge risk of introducing new bugs would be way too high.

 

[LordFrz]

Maybe so, but the issue is that he either wouldn't have the motivation at that point or it would probably feel too shoehorned for him.

Something I mentioned briefly is that I think Fujino isn't used to people responding like this (Aside from how bad he was after his situation having to move from China to continue making his games) because he had never actually DEALT with something like this.

Like, for example, let's look at his Fate games, putting aside the Nero one he abandoned: The 'Scathach Chapter' one was relatively successful up to the end without big things...however, something a lot don't really bring up, is that then we got "Sakura Chapter" which was its direct sequel despite completely shifting the focus of the main characters and the NTR. Like, literally, the main NTR characters from the first game became secondary characters that only appeared as background/phone moments and the focus of it all shifted completely to a character that had only barely been introduced in 'Chapter 1'...yet I'm pretty sure in general almost nobody complained and Sakura Chapter ended up being a massive success, more so than its first chapter actually.

Now then, imagine what would have happened if after the 'Rainy Night', Fujino had announced SAO Part 2 was "Suguha chapter", Asuna being NTR-ed by Inoda was now set in stone but became a background thing and now all the focus had been shifted to Suguha's plot with Hebishima. How much of a shitstorm do you think people's reactions would have been like, people shitting on Fujino, and countless outright unsubscribing from his paid sites XD?

This is what I think is a key thing, Fujino did NOT expect his SAO game to become so popular because he had never dealt with the amount of interest he got from doing an SAO game compared to when he did his previous Fate games and so mistakenly believed he could do several sub-plots and focuses at his pace because he had previous dealt with a whole-ass complete change in main heroine and focus for his game and got positive results, not getting one thing: In a weird parallel to the fans of actual SAO, the people who wants SAO NTR doesn't give a shit about the other girls, all they want is to see Asuna getting NTR-ed by the ugly bastard of turn above all else, and consider everything else unnecessary (Something I find very sigh-worthy as one of the few people that doesn't care that much about Asuna nowadays, be it in main SAO or Hentai).

This is I believe one of the main reasons the development of Part 2 has been so accidented and had him going back and forth with his decisions, he just never expected such overwhelming and negative reactions to things he had done in the past to different degrees, and this combined with his quite brutal personal issues ended up making him be all over the place with the main plot thanks to trying to balance his own view with what everyone else wanted, and also the issues caused by listening to the honestly inefficient (Because he didn't bother locking them down to one vote per Google Account) polls he has been making lately too.

Yea, I have to agree. I think he just is not used to all the comments of people trying to push the development towards their own fetishes. I think he is getting overwhelmed and getting that mentality of trying to please everybody. I think when he is left to do the story the way he wants he does amazing NTR. But its been a bit all over the place since this game popped off after part1.

I know people want to see AsunaxInoda progress and get mad when side characters take up too much of an update. But thats only a problem during development. Issues like that should not be worried about too much, as you need to think about the pacing for the completed game, not the monthly updates. The side characters are what allows a rpgm style game to be enjoyable to play. It gives the game depth with scenes you discover while doing the main storyline. You get side characters so the game has constant sex scenes but allows the main girl to have a slower corruption path. But a lot of people dont think about the completed game, and just complain about wanting their specific fetish now. And I hope Fujino gets to a point where he can see that its better in the long run to do things the way he did before.

Im still enjoy part2, but its definitely moved to a direction im personally not liking as much. And the shifts in direction always come after a big round of hate comments, and his response to "correct" the game.

And I really hate this stuff with incorporating the recollection room into the actual story. But I dont see that as somthing people demanded of him and more something he just wanted to try for this game, is what it is.

 

[killerjeb]

I like a lot about side characters, I even want to see more interaction between Alice and Klein, must be fun.

 

[4-kun]

Yea, I have to agree. I think he just is not used to all the comments of people trying to push the development towards their own fetishes. I think he is getting overwhelmed and getting that mentality of trying to please everybody. I think when he is left to do the story the way he wants he does amazing NTR. But its been a bit all over the place since this game popped off after part1.

I know people want to see AsunaxInoda progress and get mad when side characters take up too much of an update. But thats only a problem during development. Issues like that should not be worried about too much, as you need to think about the pacing for the completed game, not the monthly updates. The side characters are what allows a rpgm style game to be enjoyable to play. It gives the game depth with scenes you discover while doing the main storyline. You get side characters so the game has constant sex scenes but allows the main girl to have a slower corruption path. But a lot of people dont think about the completed game, and just complain about wanting their specific fetish now. And I hope Fujino gets to a point where he can see that its better in the long run to do things the way he did before.

Im still enjoy part2, but its definitely moved to a direction im personally not liking as much. And the shifts in direction always come after a big round of hate comments, and his response to "correct" the game.

And I really hate this stuff with incorporating the recollection room into the actual story. But I dont see that as somthing people demanded of him and more something he just wanted to try for this game, is what it is.

I agree on your point, not overseeng the whole picture.

As someone who started playing part 2 at the previous update, I didn't have a feeling that the main story was neglected at all. Even if the main focus of a day was a side character, there was always progression of the main story around that, from my perspective even a bit too much at times, there is enough build up now to progress the main story imho.

 

[kinglionheart]

True, it helps me more easily digest ntr if mc spends time with other girls when he is cucked, even if those girls are also sluts for everyone but mc. I like the mc having positive interactions with other female characters, not necessarily sexy in nature, and also for mc to have postive and romantic interactions with the gf when they spend time together. Maybe thats just me.

I like having characters in the same world interact with each since that is what is suppose to happen. Like I know Hebishima does not interact with Asuna because Asuna is for Inoda's use only and no more sausages should enter her factory. But they are neighbors so them not meeting is so weird.

Plus Kirito is canon main character. Having him interact with the women who should want his short sword but don't anymore is sad in a funny way.

 

[Rubyrosesilver22]

Makes me worried what Fujino could count as "unnecessary contents many people dislike", because all the people whining care exclusively about more Inoda and Asuna so that could mean reducing literally everything else, which would honestly suck after the quite original and interesting development with Suguha in the previous update. Just hope Fujino isn't forcing himself to do just what others want...

Maybe not suguha probably sinoh or Asuna mom