kinglionheart

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I remember Fujino saying that he wouldn't give all the girls to Inoda. Especially Sugu, she and Inoda don't have any chemistry, there's no possibility there.
I don't remember Fujino saying Inoda won't get more girls or a harem. He only said Asuna won't be used by men other than Inoda. Suguha and Inoda makes no sense since they never even met yet. But if Hebishima is gone either Suguha needs to be gone too or another man needs to sex her up. By process of elimination it is either Inoda or Klein.
 

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I don't remember Fujino saying Inoda won't get more girls or a harem. He only said Asuna won't be used by men other than Inoda. Suguha and Inoda makes no sense since they never even met yet. But if Hebishima is gone either Suguha needs to be gone too or another man needs to sex her up. By process of elimination it is either Inoda or Klein.
Yep, and the thing is, also by process of elimination, if Fujino got rid of Hebishima it would literally be to follow the sentiment of people who don't want more focus on the plots other than Inoda's, which means the girls like Sugu wouldn't go to Klein either (And this is even assuming Klein WAS a choice at all, for all we knew he was originally gonna replace "Charlie" as the Kirito-friend who doesn't get any) because that would STILL mean making content of a non-Inoda plot grow, so really, the only real choice for the girls of Hebishima to go to if he was gone IS Inoda.

Granted, we still have no idea if the option of Hebishima going away even won, and even if it did we don't know either when would happen (As Fujino said 'later' so at the very least he would have to write up a plot-justification of what happens to him), so is all in the air at this point until he says something about it, which may not even be in the next update yet.
 

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Huh? What are you talking about, his feelings for Asun are obviously not of love, he is a loser that feels entitled to everything.
LMAO, because of his answer to my previous comment I somehow totally missed his long-ass 'description' of the game, but yeah, WTF? Inoda IS literally an entitled loser with an unhealthy obsession with Asuna (Combined with some pointless hate for Kirito's existence worthy of an internet hater) and who is quite unbalanced, dude went from calling her goddess to literally saying she's a selfish bitch and punching through his computer's screen when she started avoiding him, then literally "calmed" himself down by fucking her mom silly at his place for several days in a row. There isn't a single bit of 'real love' there, he just really wants to make Asuna his bitch (And also recently discovered he just really likes sex in general, as expected of a loser virgin he was before, so he just keeps fucking Asuna's mom while trying to 'get her back' too, lol).
 
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Inoda IS literally an entitled loser with an unhealthy obsession with Asuna and who is quite unbalanced, dude went from calling her goddess to literally saying she's a selfish bitch and punching through his computer's screen when she started avoiding him, then literally "calmed" himself down by fucking her mom silly at his place for several days in a row. There isn't a single bit of 'real love' there, he just really wants to make Asuna his bitch.
I would argue that Inoda THINKS its real love, doing everything he can to get to Asuna. I think that Indoa thinks what he is doing is sort of "opening her eyes" and trying to make her see that he should be her one true love, not Kirito.
 

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I would argue that Inoda THINKS its real love, doing everything he can to get to Asuna. I think that Indoa thinks what he is doing is sort of "opening her eyes" and trying to make her see that he should be her one true love, not Kirito.
Well, fair enough in that case, but I was talking about from a realistic point of view, Inoda also thinks he's entitled to everything he's doing, even "drugging" Asuna to accomplish his plans (It doesn't matter the aphrodisiac was fake, he WAS intending to drug her) or blackmailing and fucking her mom for his own convenience, so his opinion really doesn't factor well here I think XD
 

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Well, fair enough in that case, but I was talking about from a realistic point of view, Inoda also thinks he's entitled to everything he's doing, even "drugging" Asuna to accomplish his plans (It doesn't matter the aphrodisiac was fake, he WAS intending to drug her) or blackmailing and fucking her mom for his own convenience, so his opinion really doesn't factor well here I think XD
Absolutly, Inoda is a possessive mad man that is trying everything in his power to get what he wants.
I was more thinking from a character perspective he even thinks hes justified in it, since otherwise he could also just attempt to rape or blackmail her but it feels more like he is trying to get Asuna to "fall in love" with him. (not like legit love, his own "I want this girl to be my fuckpuppet forever" kind of love.)
 
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Well, fair enough in that case, but I was talking about from a realistic point of view, Inoda also thinks he's entitled to everything he's doing, even "drugging" Asuna to accomplish his plans (It doesn't matter the aphrodisiac was fake, he WAS intending to drug her) or blackmailing and fucking her mom for his own convenience, so his opinion really doesn't factor well here I think XD
By modern standards Inoda is a creep, stalker, or maybe even a criminal. The interesting thing is even a few decades ago, this would be a plot for love comedy story like "Revenge of the Nerds". The story can told as a unpopular guy fell in love with a girl out of league. But he never gave up, try everything he can to make her happy, and finally gave her the love her popular boyfriend did not. Inoda does have entitled obsession with Asuna but the story does lean more towards "love" than other NTRs.
 

kinglionheart

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Absolutly, Inoda is a possessive mad man that is trying everything in his power to get what he wants.
I was more thinking from a character perspective he even thinks hes justified in it, since otherwise he could also just attempt to rape or blackmail her but it feels more like he is trying to get Asuna to "fall in love" with him. (not like legit love, his own "I want this girl to be my fuckpuppet forever" kind of love.)
No one thinks they are the villain. No matter how wrong he is, Inoda will of course justified what he did to get what he wants. That is why our verdicts are decided by third-parties. But in NTR stories, the villains are usually right. By the end of the story Inoda will get what he wants, Asuna will be happier than when she was at beginning of the game so everything he did was worth it.
 

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No one thinks they are the villain. No matter how wrong he is, Inoda will of course justified to get what he wants. That is why our verdicts are decided by third-parties. But in NTR stories, the villains are usually right. By the end of the story Inoda will get what he wants and everything he did was worth it.
It kinda depends on the NTR story. I have played NTR games where the villain is just evil for the sake of being evil, the justification being at most "I just thought she look kind hot." or where stealing the love interest is more secondary to the antagonist. So its really nice to have a really good villain in this, but i will probably just start gushing about how well i think the characters are written so i will stop.
 

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No one thinks they are the villain. No matter how wrong he is, Inoda will of course justified what he did to get what he wants. That is why our verdicts are decided by third-parties. But in NTR stories, the villains are usually right. By the end of the story Inoda will get what he wants, Asuna will be happier than when she was at beginning of the game so everything he did was worth it.
Ironically, that last bit is one of main positive reasons I personally wanted Suguha to be 'stolen away' by Inoda back after playing Part 1, because Inoda legit would also end up with Sugu 'better', while Hebishima legit would just fuck her till she got knocked up and then throw her away after getting bored most likely (Weird how bad then I admitted it was just a silly impossible personal wish, but now after Part 2's start and that poll it could really happen, lol).

It kinda depends on the NTR story. I have played NTR games where the villain is just evil for the sake of being evil, the justification being at most "I just thought she look kind hot." or where stealing the love interest is more secondary to the antagonist. So its really nice to have a really good villain in this, but i will probably just start gushing about how well i think the characters are written so i will stop.
It really depends on your personal view of the characters' morals honestly, like, Inoda technically is less "evil" than your random NTR Rape doujin character or even Fujino's usual NTR males in previous game, technically, but this is mostly because he starts out as a loser who becomes an opportunistic bastard first chance he gets from people who genuinely wanted to be kind to him. For all intents and purposes from a 'normal' standpoint he's "evil", regardless of his reasons for doing so, he has raped and blackmailed to get what he wants and he wants to ruin someone's life (Kirito's) just for his own selfishness. The only real 'positive' in him is that he legit wants Asuna and to completely own her and keep her rather than just ruin someone else's life/lives because he's horny and thinks she's hot (Though granted he HAS started walking down a bit in that direction now, between greedily and happily turning Kyouko into his personal slut and more than likely planning to do the same with Liz to help himself get Asuna).
 

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Do you have any actual quotations of that being a recent thing? I can't really remember Fujino mentioning this at all at any recent point, even less specifically about Suguha (Who I pay close attention to any news coming about). This we're talking about now is something based off recent developments, aka the whole debacle in Part 2, not anything about the previous plans of how the game was gonna go or its story.

In case you didn't know, many things happened after the first update of Part 2 that resulted in that recent "poll" which is what this entire 'issue' comes from and that have been discussed around during the past few weeks: Fujino himself offered the choice of getting rid of Hebishima (Clearly because he saw way too many people complaining about not being interested in the non-Asuna stories), which is why this went from a totally impossible unrealistic thing to an actual possibility. If Hebishima gets removed from the game, Fujino would NOT just remove Suguha or Shino (The girls in his 'plot'), so they would most likely end up somehow getting folded into Inoda's plot somehow.

This is what has sparkled some debate ever since that poll came out because people are split into those who don't care, those who don't want that, and those who would be all for it (I'm in the latter camp myself).
I tried searching, and indeed, I couldn't find the original source. It's possible that he deleted it. And yes, it could be that he had a different mindset before and has recently undergone some changes.
 

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I would argue that Inoda THINKS its real love, doing everything he can to get to Asuna. I think that Indoa thinks what he is doing is sort of "opening her eyes" and trying to make her see that he should be her one true love, not Kirito.
Yes, that's what I meant. Inoda’s love may be atypical and twisted, but at least he himself believes that his feelings for Asuna are genuine and not just a fling. His involvement with Asuna's mother and his insults towards Asuna stem from his flawed personality, but it doesn't contradict his love for her.
 

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Yeah, I prefer Inoda having Asuna, Liv, and Asuna's mom, and Hebishima dealing with other girls. Inoda being focused on Asuna (and Liz and the mom get involved because of that) makes more sense than Inoda going after every single girl in town. Especially when you consider the amount of sex that was happening in general in Part 1, it'd be weird if now only Inoda was getting lucky.
 

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Yeah, I prefer Inoda having Asuna, Liv, and Asuna's mom, and Hebishima dealing with other girls. Inoda being focused on Asuna (and Liz and the mom get involved because of that) makes more sense than Inoda going after every single girl in town. Especially when you consider the amount of sex that was happening in general in Part 1, it'd be weird if now only Inoda was getting lucky.
The thing about Inoda "getting lucky with every girl" is not that it will happen for making sense or being more story-logic, is just what will naturally happen if Hebishima IS removed, that's all there is to it. Everything depends on if the poll won that way or not and if it was enough to convince Fujino to do so or not.

Hebishima needs to disappear while Agir or old dude needs to replace him
This won't happen under any circumstances, lol. I remember someone else in Ci-En was also trying to say Agil should replace Hebishima, and even ignoring the eye-roll-worthy attempt of people in the SAO NTR community lately of trying to turn Agil into the Raikage when it comes to SAO NTR, what you're not getting is that the only reason Fujino is even considering removing Hebishima is because he realized most people didn't care for the plots that weren't Inoda's, if Hebishima is gone he won't make someone else replace him at all, the girls would either 'vanish' or be folded into Inoda's story (And he wouldn't just remove them after already making their models and everything, he obviously did want to make H-scenes on them regardless, so the latter is the most realistic option).
 
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You overestimate the developer and the game itself. He only did two things well: portraying the characters of Kirito and Asuna and an unconventional plot twist - pity sex. everything else in the game is very bad and full of boring (maybe even to many) clichés: - Boy with a penis transplanted from a horse -A girl who is being blackmailed (well, imagine what’s worse - they find out that you masturbated on your STEP-brother or become the personal whore of some moral monster?) - A woman who is being blackmailed (a woman with extensive experience of cheating was caught so easily? Well, yes, I really believe it). It remains to add: blackmail by school bullies, interracial sex (+ very large dicks), Asuna moaning “Oh, how good it feels!!! I can’t live without a dick!” (Although a lot of people get along just fine without them, at least with the same vibrators, an excellent replacement Inoda). And then it will be possible to put this game aside in a long row of monotonous crap. At the moment, the developer doesn't have anything special about Asuna. Well, it will show how they grab her ass. That's all. But there will be a lot of Liz, Klein, Alice, poor fucked Suguha. Why was online chat removed? It wasn't bad.
bro really reviewed the plot of an RPGmaker koikatsuslop NTR game made by an ESL
 
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