RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

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renjen

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In any slow burn, not every step is gonna be a banger, unless the author is just that good. Clearly Fujino doesn't have every part of the story already written if he's willing to change course in under a month from a poll's result. I imagine he has most of the Inoda/Asuna route mapped out in a general sense, cuz he's already told us there'll be 2 endings, one being Kirito is unaware and the other he knows. But he's taking a detour cuz he thought that's what the poll results wanted him to.

This is gonna be a terrible analogy but gonna do it anyways. It's like being on a roadtrip and the driver asks "Hey, are you hungry?" and you respond "I could grab a bite". You're thinking maybe a gas station or fast food joint, so yall can get the food real quick but then be back on the road so yall can get to your destination. Then the driver pulls into a family restuarant. While it technically fits, it's not at all what you were thinking. The food could be good or not, but just cuz you know it's gonna delay your trip quite a bit, it makes you grumpy. And cuz you were super excited to get there, makes you wish the driver hadn't asked the question.

This is kinda how I feel about the poll. Wish Fujino would've just kept driving, but he thought it was polite to ask those invested in the trip their opinion.
 
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We should stop trying to define NTR at this point because everyone has a different take on it. At this point, we should admit that this is a corruption game with splash of NTR here n there, which may or may not increase. Either way, I don't find much to say till we are atleast halfway through the game. You're all just jumping on the gun on too quickly. Meanwhile, there's dev like stopper who has just tease us about NTR for years and still claim it to be NTR game and provide update once a year. Atleast, fujino is giving updates. Whether people like it or not is a different thing.
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I can think of several hentais that are labeled netorare, but the MC wasn't even in a relationship with the girl. Usually in those cases he is in love with her, just hasn't asked her out yet. The term definitely has been used in a broad way. Kinda like isekai has been, as alot of people label SAO as an isekai. While I personally don't cuz I don't consider a VR world to actually be another world in that sense. But that's just my personal opinion, so it is what it is.
 
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    1:23 AM
    我的最后一个想法是：你需要重新制作第二部分，游戏已经失去了悬念、神秘和 NTR。游戏已经失去了娱乐性。回归基本，不要试图取悦所有人，减少情节和人物，把主要精力放在亚丝娜-桐人和猪田身上。让更多的事情发生在 FOG 中。这样，在一天的辛苦工作之后，我们就可以打开你的游戏，在热辣的图片中放松一下。 当然，这是你的游戏，你的想法会在游戏中实现，但例如游戏的第一部分就非常酷、热、刺激。其中还有很多神秘的东西。它简单而有趣。 弹出的图片至少要在屏幕上停留 5 秒钟，太快的话就会消失，我根本没时间看。
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    2:37 PM
    对我来说，问题出在上次更新中。与树的战斗和即将到来的按摩已经提供了诱惑 Asuna 所需的一切。 而这次更新本应最终让游戏的主要情节得到发展。亚丝娜和猪田。但是没有。 这一切都拖得太久了，太多的焦点集中在亚丝娜的母亲身上，太多的焦点集中在试图描绘自然的诱惑上。为了让亚丝娜更倾向于猪田，桐人的角色被无情地破坏了。 但这不是 NTR。其他的也不是 NTR。 老实说，在上次更新之后，我看不出这还能回到 NTR 的道路上。 桐人在更新中看到了很多东西，对自己充满信心，但在更新中却变成了一个小丑，猪田，这个第一部中的强奸犯和卑鄙小人，从各方面来看都变成了一个好人。而亚丝娜开始像一个患有精神分裂症和怜悯综合症的平庸爱情后宫少女。 在我看来，从第一部开始，猪田这个人渣就应该把亚丝娜从厉害的桐人身边抢走，这并不是因为桐人什么都不好，亚丝娜出于怜悯愿意和她遇到的第一个男人上床，而是因为快乐会压倒理智的声音。 我希望富士诺能看看他的第一部游戏，好好想想第二部的走向。 从画面上看，游戏本身非常不错，数据统计和菜单中显示身体部位的窗口都很棒，但除了几个场景外，几乎没有以任何方式展示出来。

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    6:52 AM
    感谢建议，我会认真考虑加快一些剧情


    Well, I hope he decides to remake the update.
    and make those pop-up pictures at least 5 seconds on the screen. :ROFLMAO:
 
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    1:23 AM
    My last thought is: you need to remake part 2, the game has lost its suspense, mystery and NTR. The game has lost its entertainment value. Go back to basics, stop trying to please everyone, reduce the plot and characters, and focus mainly on Asuna-Kirito and Inoda. Let more things happen in FOG. This way, after a hard day's work, we can turn on your game and relax among hot pictures. Of course, it's your game and your ideas will be implemented in the game, but the first part of the game, for example, is very cool, hot, and exciting. There are many mysterious things in it. It's simple and fun. The pop-up picture must stay on the screen for at least 5 seconds. If it is too fast, it will disappear and I will not have time to look at it.
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    2:37 PM
    For me the problem was with the last update. The fight with the tree and the upcoming massage had provided everything needed to seduce Asuna. And this update was supposed to finally allow the game's main plot to be developed. Asuna and Inoda. but none. It all drags on for too long, too much focus is on Asuna's mother, too much focus is on trying to depict the allure of nature. Kirito's character was ruthlessly destroyed in order to make Asuna lean more towards Inoda. But this is not NTR. Others are not NTR either. Honestly, after the last update, I can't see this going back to NTR. Kirito saw a lot of things in the update and was confident in himself, but in the update he turned into a clown, and Inoda, the rapist and despicable person in the first part, became from all aspects A good man. And Asuna starts to look like a mediocre love harem girl suffering from schizophrenia and pity syndrome. In my opinion, from the first part, Inoda, a scumbag, should have snatched Asuna away from the powerful Kirito. This is not because Kirito is not good at anything. Asuna is willing to be with her out of pity. She sleeps with the first man she meets because pleasure overwhelms the voice of reason. I hope Fujino will take a look at his first game and think carefully about the direction of the second one. Graphically, the game itself is pretty good, with nice stats and windows showing body parts in the menus, but aside from a few scenes, it's barely showcased in any way.

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    6:52 AM
    Thanks for the suggestions, I will seriously consider speeding up some of the plot.


    Well, I hope he decides to remake the update.
    and make those pop-up pictures at least 5 seconds on the screen.:ROFLMAO:
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I hope he doesnt remake shit, that's why we got stuck on the rainy night so long.
 
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do people think remake game is easy fujino not need to remake thing just focus on inoda and asuna me not sure why fujino make the poll people will vote for kirito and asuna to troll
 
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renjen said:
I can think of several hentais that are labeled netorare, but the MC wasn't even in a relationship with the girl. Usually in those cases he is in love with her, just hasn't asked her out yet. The term definitely has been used in a broad way. Kinda like isekai has been, as alot of people label SAO as an isekai. While I personally don't cuz I don't consider a VR world to actually be another world in that sense. But that's just my personal opinion, so it is what it is.
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SAO is usually in a much weirder spot in that regard because is one of the few series where despite the 'Harem' labels the MC is genuinely and firmly in a relationship with the girl of his choice and the other girls despite what they may feel or not accept it and even support them, some slips aside, so whenever any of the non-Asuna girls is used for a 'NTR' doujin is technically not really such but is labeled as it anyway XP

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    1:23 AM
    我的最后一个想法是：你需要重新制作第二部分，游戏已经失去了悬念、神秘和 NTR。游戏已经失去了娱乐性。回归基本，不要试图取悦所有人，减少情节和人物，把主要精力放在亚丝娜-桐人和猪田身上。让更多的事情发生在 FOG 中。这样，在一天的辛苦工作之后，我们就可以打开你的游戏，在热辣的图片中放松一下。 当然，这是你的游戏，你的想法会在游戏中实现，但例如游戏的第一部分就非常酷、热、刺激。其中还有很多神秘的东西。它简单而有趣。 弹出的图片至少要在屏幕上停留 5 秒钟，太快的话就会消失，我根本没时间看。
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    对我来说，问题出在上次更新中。与树的战斗和即将到来的按摩已经提供了诱惑 Asuna 所需的一切。 而这次更新本应最终让游戏的主要情节得到发展。亚丝娜和猪田。但是没有。 这一切都拖得太久了，太多的焦点集中在亚丝娜的母亲身上，太多的焦点集中在试图描绘自然的诱惑上。为了让亚丝娜更倾向于猪田，桐人的角色被无情地破坏了。 但这不是 NTR。其他的也不是 NTR。 老实说，在上次更新之后，我看不出这还能回到 NTR 的道路上。 桐人在更新中看到了很多东西，对自己充满信心，但在更新中却变成了一个小丑，猪田，这个第一部中的强奸犯和卑鄙小人，从各方面来看都变成了一个好人。而亚丝娜开始像一个患有精神分裂症和怜悯综合症的平庸爱情后宫少女。 在我看来，从第一部开始，猪田这个人渣就应该把亚丝娜从厉害的桐人身边抢走，这并不是因为桐人什么都不好，亚丝娜出于怜悯愿意和她遇到的第一个男人上床，而是因为快乐会压倒理智的声音。 我希望富士诺能看看他的第一部游戏，好好想想第二部的走向。 从画面上看，游戏本身非常不错，数据统计和菜单中显示身体部位的窗口都很棒，但除了几个场景外，几乎没有以任何方式展示出来。

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    6:52 AM
    感谢建议，我会认真考虑加快一些剧情


    Well, I hope he decides to remake the update.
    and make those pop-up pictures at least 5 seconds on the screen. :ROFLMAO:
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Is that from Patreon? If so, yikes, I honestly can't believe some people feel so entitled as to demand Fujino to REMAKE THE ENTIRE PART just because they don't like the developments :( At least his answer is just simply that he will consider speeding up some plots, but I can't imagine he won't be affected by all this shit if previous decisions based on people's complaints are anything to go by, which honestly sucks as one of the few people that really liked this latest update.

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Waste of time. He should just move ahead with new update.
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Preach it dude.
 
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pnkrel said:
We should stop trying to define NTR at this point because everyone has a different take on it. At this point, we should admit that this is a corruption game with splash of NTR here n there, which may or may not increase. Either way, I don't find much to say till we are atleast halfway through the game. You're all just jumping on the gun on too quickly. Meanwhile, there's dev like stopper who has just tease us about NTR for years and still claim it to be NTR game and provide update once a year. Atleast, fujino is giving updates. Whether people like it or not is a different thing.
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Well, here the problem lies not in the definition of NTR, but rather that people have clear expectations after Part 1. However, Part 2 being so much different just destroys the overall flow and doesn't resonate with these expectations. I mean, by now, it's obvious that something is going in the wrong direction, as with every new update, more and more people complain.

But to be fair, nobody knows if it's the majority complaining, as I guess most players don't share their thoughts.^^
 
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do people think remake game is easy fujino not need to remake thing just focus on inoda and asuna me not sure why fujino make the poll people will vote for kirito and asuna to troll
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Out of curiosity, what was the poll about?
 
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Out of curiosity, what was the poll about?
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I think he may be talking about a previous one? I went to check in both Ci-En and Patreon and he doesn't seem to have made any new poll (Unless it was in the thread for the update's release, which only those supporting him can access).
 
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People in this thread seem to have a lot of diverse opinions so I thought that I should share my opinion too.

Let Him Cook.
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I mean, Fujino already said that he fucked up in places and that he will try to fix it. And, if everything does go to shit, then atleast maybe this game will become a textbook romance game. Who knows ? Let's see.
 
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It’s strange to expect an acceptable result from a developer who has so far released only a few unfinished ones, boring and primitive, if not stupid. Their specialty is anime characters, well, this can be done by an average level modder with any game. Well, he started making this game. There was a chat with photos in the first part. A great tool for atmosphere. Now he's gone. Smartphone. Yes, people make games based on its capabilities. But here it either works or doesn’t work. Where have you seen schoolchildren who don’t spend hours on their smartphone? Yes, Kirito and the others should constantly call each other, send photos, etc., an excellent tool for presenting events. But not in this game. Mechanics change as you go. Looking at this, you understand that if the developer does not have complete game mechanics, then there is no script.
Fujino is in a difficult situation: there is simply no time to think about it. I guessed right, I guessed wrong, I liked it, I didn’t like it. So our chances of getting what we want are about 1/3. 1 - he will do well. 1 - he will do something bad. 1 - he will do what has happened a million times: Asuna will become a whore like no other in life (together with her mother), Kirito... and no one will be interested in Kirito (like similar supporting characters in NTR games), definitely An African-American exchange student with a dick even bigger than Inoda's is supposed to come to school. You may ask, what does he have to do with it? I don't know where they come from in these games, they are always there. Perhaps the developers have anal weakness and they like it. What other templates are there in NTR? That's where they all will be. I just feel sorry for Suguha. That's why it's Hibishima (or whatever his name is) in the game. He's completely redundant. It feels like the developer simply had ready-made videos and used them in Suguha's thread. It would be nice if it was one of Kirito’s surviving enemies and would simply take revenge and play dirty tricks. But he's just a moral monster and a blackmailer. And Suguha is with him because the author wanted it that way. But he doesn’t want logic. There is no main character in the game. Everyone feels this subconsciously and it infuriates them. I said before that something is wrong with this game. But the only answer was that all games are like that, everything is fine. As you can see, it’s not all, and it’s not normal.
 
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TommyTommy said:
It’s strange to expect an acceptable result from a developer who has so far released only a few unfinished ones, boring and primitive, if not stupid. Their specialty is anime characters, well, this can be done by an average level modder with any game. Well, he started making this game. There was a chat with photos in the first part. A great tool for atmosphere. Now he's gone. Smartphone. Yes, people make games based on its capabilities. But here it either works or doesn’t work. Where have you seen schoolchildren who don’t spend hours on their smartphone? Yes, Kirito and the others should constantly call each other, send photos, etc., an excellent tool for presenting events. But not in this game. Mechanics change as you go. Looking at this, you understand that if the developer does not have complete game mechanics, then there is no script.
Fujino is in a difficult situation: there is simply no time to think about it. I guessed right, I guessed wrong, I liked it, I didn’t like it. So our chances of getting what we want are about 1/3. 1 - he will do well. 1 - he will do something bad. 1 - he will do what has happened a million times: Asuna will become a whore like no other in life (together with her mother), Kirito... and no one will be interested in Kirito (like similar supporting characters in NTR games), definitely An African-American exchange student with a dick even bigger than Inoda's is supposed to come to school. You may ask, what does he have to do with it? I don't know where they come from in these games, they are always there. Perhaps the developers have anal weakness and they like it. What other templates are there in NTR? That's where they all will be. I just feel sorry for Suguha. That's why it's Hibishima (or whatever his name is) in the game. He's completely redundant. It feels like the developer simply had ready-made videos and used them in Suguha's thread. It would be nice if it was one of Kirito’s surviving enemies and would simply take revenge and play dirty tricks. But he's just a moral monster and a blackmailer. And Suguha is with him because the author wanted it that way. But he doesn’t want logic. There is no main character in the game. Everyone feels this subconsciously and it infuriates them. I said before that something is wrong with this game. But the only answer was that all games are like that, everything is fine. As you can see, it’s not all, and it’s not normal.
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Bro got one bad update and decided that humanity has failed. If the next update is not peak then bro might just commit war crimes.
 
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