AlterInfernalAllius

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Work kept me away but I just caught up with the latest report! Is funny that Fujino felt the need to clarify the differences between his game and the canon and he just made the vaguest of specifications about it, leaving out tons of other things way more relevant that are different between both universes, wonder if there were lots of people spamming him with questions about that in Ci-En XD? Also, wouldn't be a new week's progress report without some random stating how they're here because they hate Kirito, LMAO...but blaming him for the Isekai garbage era? That's beyond retarded, like, SAO is NOT an Isekai at all even if we stretch the definition and say that maybe the Alicization arc was something like it, lol, and despite how much the haters may be revolved by it SAO was one of the greatest anime successes of the past decade, with the novels even winning the LN of the Decade Award, comparing it to the forgettable seasonal garbage that nobody remembers past a couple of months is as hilarious as it's stupid XP

Hell, the mere fact SAO stays on the mind of its haters SO much nowadays that they keep actively hating it after over a decade is a testament of its popularity in itself, if it was as shitty and bad/forgetable as they want others to believe, they would have stopped hating it and moved on ages ago :D
 

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Work kept me away but I just caught up with the latest report! Is funny that Fujino felt the need to clarify the differences between his game and the canon and he just made the vaguest of specifications about it, leaving out tons of other things way more relevant that are different between both universes, wonder if there were lots of people spamming him with questions about that in Ci-En XD? Also, wouldn't be a new week's progress report without some random stating how they're here because they hate Kirito, LMAO...but blaming him for the Isekai garbage era? That's beyond retarded, like, SAO is NOT an Isekai at all even if we stretch the definition and say that maybe the Alicization arc was something like it, lol, and despite how much the haters may be revolved by it SAO was one of the greatest anime successes of the past decade, with the novels even winning the LN of the Decade Award, comparing it to the forgettable seasonal garbage that nobody remembers past a couple of months is as hilarious as it's stupid XP

Hell, the mere fact SAO stays on the mind of its haters SO much nowadays that they keep actively hating it after over a decade is a testament of its popularity in itself, if it was as shitty and bad/forgetable as they want others to believe, they would have stopped hating it and moved on ages ago :D
Unfortunately they are unable to remove this vice of hatred
 

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Okay, I get it. Ignore, the person is either drunk or some kind of inept attempt to engage in trolling. You can wait until the nonsense is over and the person goes to bed.
Oh, how amusing. So in your world, any perspective you can't comprehend must be coming from a drunkard?

If subtlety is lost on you, then my mistake—I'll spell it out plainly: Fuck nuance.



Hmm, I tried to explain to this man that Fujino, in fact, used the most cliched possible pattern of behavior of the NTR heroine for Asuna, and in response he began to tell me about the conservatism of Muslims and that white men fuck more often. So I think he's just a troll, there's no point in telling him anything.
What you dismiss as 'classic', others call timeless. I never claimed Fujino's writing is flawless—my exact word was “Most Japanese doujin works portray her as intellectually deficient, morally bankrupt and sexually obsessed. Compared to that, Fujino's Asuna actually feels like a real person with principles and boundaries.”. And I've witnessed similar scenarios firsthand. Your core criticism rings hollow because the 'flaws' you obsess over plague most NTR works. Sure, perfectly logical NTR games might exist—how many, though? Three? Five? When an issue is systemic, fairness demands either:

1. General critique of the genre, or

2. Measured tolerance.

Singling out Fujino while ignoring the broader context is as irrational as hating men for having penises. Criticism?



The thing is, most people here are pretty reasonable with their criticism—nothing wrong with that. If you like the game, great, go ahead and praise the dev. If someone doesn’t, they have every right to criticize it. In the end, it’s Fujino’s decision and responsibility as the developer, and just like all of us, he has to live with the consequences of his choices.
criticism is useful, as long as it is constructive
Anyone can criticize Fujino—whether it's constructive feedback or just trollish ranting. But critiques themselves can be counter-critiqued, which is what I'm doing now.

I admire Fujino. The trolls have clearly gotten to him. If you think his recent updates feel rushed (though I disagree), they're the reason. He’s probably exhausted, yet persists—not for himself, but for the fans awaiting closure.
 
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I wanna talk about my understanding of the current work and why I think Fujino's script is reasonable, even though it's not perfect.

Asuna is a wealthy heiress who has received elite education since she was young and has been under immense pressure from her mother. Therefore, she chose to play SAO and became trapped in it. In the game, Kirito fought alongside her, giving her the motivation to survive in the world of Aincrad. In this unique environment, she slowly fell in love with him. But back in reality, Kirito's halo faded, and the pressure from her mother returned. Kirito didn't handle this issue well. In the original story, Kirito once again saved Asuna in ALO, and through her interactions with Yuuki Konno, Asuna became even stronger.

Unfortunately, in Fujino's world, none of this happened. Instead, Asuna met Inoda. Before Asuna's true personality was fully formed, she tended to escape from pressure. However, her time with Inoda gave Asuna a sense of being needed and the freedom that indulgence brought. On the other hand, Fujino's Kirito chose the wrong way to solve the problem—going abroad for studies and working hard to gain Asuna's mother's approval. This actually was a brave way to face pressure and hardship. If it wasn't for Inoda, all of this would have worked out. But unfortunately, the relaxed atmosphere of being with Inoda gradually led Asuna in the opposite direction of Kirito. It's a bit like smoking weed, definitely not a good behavior, but it brings happiness.

Additionally, some things happened between Asuna and Sugō that damaged her mentally. This also led her to not make rational choices in some extreme situations. On the rainy night, if she had firmly refused Inoda, she could have just left. It was raining outside, not knives falling. But what did she do? She went to the bathroom to masturbate. Even after being raped, she didn't report it to the police. So it's not surprising that she forgave Inoda later on. You can't judge a woman by what she says, but by what she does. Fujino's Asuna just enjoys the feeling of being pulled into the abyss by Inoda.
 

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Also, regarding the IRL anal sex scene this time, I don't think it's out of place. Fujino has set it up well, from the perspective of an adult game that is updated monthly.

At the beginning, Asuna agreed to anal sex in the game just to avoid agreeing to it with Inoda. After that, basically every time Inoda plays with Asuna's asshole in the game, he brings up the idea of IRL anal sex. And as the trial went on, Inoda kept on talking. On Saturday night, when Asuna was emotionally vulnerable due to the tragic ending of the TV drama, Inoda played the sympathy card again and eventually got Asuna to agree (that's the flashback to the blowjob on Saturday).

From Kirito's POV, the whole Sunday's plot is built on the fact that Asuna agreed to have anal sex Sunday night after spending the day together on Saturday. They even prepared condoms and anal plugs, all for what?

Including drinking alcohol later on, it was Inoda tempting Asuna to relax her body. It's Asuna agreeing to anal sex before drinking, not the other way around after getting drunk.
 
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this morning brought me 2 news
1-post by Fujino with strange answers that no one seemed to have asked (there was a part of the lore that I didn't even know, and it seemed to be completely unimportant for the game)
2-Post by a troll, a crazy or insane fan of mediocre NTR works (who brought up some extremely funny facts to defend this NTR work) - Racism, white guys in Asia, Islam, classical Chinese works, gifted Asuna with the characteristic "Fujino's Asuna actually feels like a real person with principles and boundaries" (the past could still be forgiven, but this is crossing all boundaries. xD), in fact, I've already gotten used to the fact that here +- everyone more or less agrees that there are, so to speak, SOME "problems with the plot" especially most of the complaints are directed towards Asuna-Inoda-Kirito, but there are still those who are ready to defend to the death the mediocre work of NTR in terms of the plot, but good computer graphics
 
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So I thinking about the ending of the update. Inoda got Asuna to be his sefure or sex friend until the end of quarantine where Asuna will break off their relationship and tell Kirito everything. Before then Asuna will do a lot of crazy stuff with Inoda and Inoda will have to do something to make her his permanent sex slave. Does this sound familiar to anyone? This is basically the second half of Part 1 again. In that part Asuna agreed to be Inoda's pretend girlfriend and let him do stuff to her. Sure she didn't let do sex or anal but he was gradually escalating his demands so maybe if that pretending didn't stop it would have reached this point. Then Inoda found out Asuna was planning on leaving with Kirito and ending their relationship so the Lustful Night happened to try to make Asuna his sex slave. But unlike other NTR works it didn't work. Now we have a similar situation where Inoda will have another opportunity to make Asuna his sex slave before she ends their relationship.

This similarity to end of Part 1 makes me think that Fujino will seriously have to rush the content if he wants to finish by v1.0. Fujino did say the current arc is ending soon and then the final arc will begin. Assuming the next update will complete the arc with Lustful Night 2.0, it means if Fujino is still following the perks list then he needs to
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Can all that be done by v1.0? Maybe. But I doubt it can be done in normal schedule. So either longer development time for the rest of the updates or just smaller version numbers (v0.91, v0.92, etc) are in our future.
 
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So I thinking about the ending of the update. Inoda got Asuna to be his sefure or sex friend until the end of quarantine where Asuna will break off their relationship and tell Kirito everything. Before then Asuna will do a lot of crazy stuff with Inoda and Inoda will have to do something to make her his permanent sex slave. Does this sound familiar to anyone? This is basically the second half of Part 1 again. In that part Asuna agreed to be Inoda's pretend girlfriend and let him do stuff to her. Sure she didn't let do sex or anal but he was gradually escalating his demands so maybe if that pretending didn't stop it would have reached this point. Then Inoda found out Asuna was planning on leaving with Kirito and ending their relationship so the Lustful Night happened to try to make Asuna his sex slave. But unlike other NTR works it didn't work. Now we have a similar situation where Inoda will have another opportunity to make Asuna his sex slave before she ends their relationship.

This similarity to end of Part 1 makes me think that Fujino will seriously have to rush the content if he wants to finish by v1.0. Fujino did say the current arc is ending soon and then the final arc will begin. Assuming the next update will complete the arc with Lustful Night 2.0, it means if Fujino is still following the perks list then he needs to
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Can all that be done by v1.0? Maybe. But I doubt it can be done in normal schedule. So either longer development time for the rest of the updates or just smaller version numbers (v0.91, v0.92, etc) are in our future.
there is 3 options, to refuse some scenes, for example, sex with Liz, but considering that liz is possibly the worst character here, she won't need much convincing and development
 

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So I thinking about the ending of the update. Inoda got Asuna to be his sefure or sex friend until the end of quarantine where Asuna will break off their relationship and tell Kirito everything. Before then Asuna will do a lot of crazy stuff with Inoda and Inoda will have to do something to make her his permanent sex slave. Does this sound familiar to anyone? This is basically the second half of Part 1 again. In that part Asuna agreed to be Inoda's pretend girlfriend and let him do stuff to her. Sure she didn't let do sex or anal but he was gradually escalating his demands so maybe if that pretending didn't stop it would have reached this point. Then Inoda found out Asuna was planning on leaving with Kirito and ending their relationship so the Lustful Night happened to try to make Asuna his sex slave. But unlike other NTR works it didn't work. Now we have a similar situation where Inoda will have another opportunity to make Asuna his sex slave before she ends their relationship.

This similarity to end of Part 1 makes me think that Fujino will seriously have to rush the content if he wants to finish by v1.0. Fujino did say the current arc is ending soon and then the final arc will begin. Assuming the next update will complete the arc with Lustful Night 2.0, it means if Fujino is still following the perks list then he needs to
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Can all that be done by v1.0? Maybe. But I doubt it can be done in normal schedule. So either longer development time for the rest of the updates or just smaller version numbers (v0.91, v0.92, etc) are in our future.
Very likely.
 

Queen_Nothing

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I wanna talk about my understanding of the current work and why I think Fujino's script is reasonable, even though it's not perfect.

Asuna is a wealthy heiress who has received elite education since she was young and has been under immense pressure from her mother. Therefore, she chose to play SAO and became trapped in it. In the game, Kirito fought alongside her, giving her the motivation to survive in the world of Aincrad. In this unique environment, she slowly fell in love with him. But back in reality, Kirito's halo faded, and the pressure from her mother returned. Kirito didn't handle this issue well. In the original story, Kirito once again saved Asuna in ALO, and through her interactions with Yuuki Konno, Asuna became even stronger.

Unfortunately, in Fujino's world, none of this happened.
The issue is that Fujino saying 'ALO didn't happen in my world' conflicts the lore that he has used as the cornerstone of Asuna's character; that Oberon assaulted and corrupted her. This moment has been referenced in both Part 1 and Part 2. It's a foundational trauma moment of the Asuna he's using, forcing her into therapy after getting out of SAO.

But Sugou wasn't in the Aincrad version, he was never in the original SAO world. In canon he captures Asuna's mind when SAO is shutting down, and installs himself as the god of ALO. These events are what leads to his conflict with Kirito, and what directly lead to him being arrested. Which is another plot point that Fujino explicitly said happened, 'Sugou was arrested', and then was recently released. So which is it, Fujino? Did ALO not exist, or was she raped by Oberon? Why was Sugoiu arrested, if ALO never happened?

Both can't be true, unless you're saying 'oh Oberon still captured her mind to assault her but it was just a personal VRMMO world and not ALO'. Or maybe that was the first version of FOG?
 

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I think we're currently at around 70% completion. There are a total of three volumes, each with three chapters. Fujino's intention is that there will be one more volume to go, and we've just started the third chapter of the third volume.
 
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The issue is that Fujino saying 'ALO didn't happen in my world' conflicts the lore that he has used as the cornerstone of Asuna's character; that Oberon assaulted and corrupted her. This moment has been referenced in both Part 1 and Part 2. It's a foundational trauma moment of the Asuna he's using, forcing her into therapy after getting out of SAO.

But Sugou wasn't in the Aincrad version, he was never in the original SAO world. In canon he captures Asuna's mind when SAO is shutting down, and installs himself as the god of ALO. These events are what leads to his conflict with Kirito, and what directly lead to him being arrested. Which is another plot point that Fujino explicitly said happened, 'Sugou was arrested', and then was recently released. So which is it, Fujino? Did ALO not exist, or was she raped by Oberon? Why was Sugoiu arrested, if ALO never happened?

Both can't be true, unless you're saying 'oh Oberon still captured her mind to assault her but it was just a personal VRMMO world and not ALO'. Or maybe that was the first version of FOG?
Well Fujino definitely said that Oberon didn't rape Asuna. I think this is update 0.6 or 0.65, it was in the memory room and the dove shouted it
 

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The issue is that Fujino saying 'ALO didn't happen in my world' conflicts the lore that he has used as the cornerstone of Asuna's character; that Oberon assaulted and corrupted her. This moment has been referenced in both Part 1 and Part 2. It's a foundational trauma moment of the Asuna he's using, forcing her into therapy after getting out of SAO.

But Sugou wasn't in the Aincrad version, he was never in the original SAO world. In canon he captures Asuna's mind when SAO is shutting down, and installs himself as the god of ALO. These events are what leads to his conflict with Kirito, and what directly lead to him being arrested. Which is another plot point that Fujino explicitly said happened, 'Sugou was arrested', and then was recently released. So which is it, Fujino? Did ALO not exist, or was she raped by Oberon? Why was Sugoiu arrested, if ALO never happened?

Both can't be true, unless you're saying 'oh Oberon still captured her mind to assault her but it was just a personal VRMMO world and not ALO'. Or maybe that was the first version of FOG?
I understand what Fujino means by saying 'The "Fairy Dance" and "Phantom Bullet" stories did not happen.' He's emphasizing that these events didn't unfold as they did in the original—where Asuna was quickly rescued by her father, and Sinon was saved early by Hebishima. It's not that ALO doesn't exist in this version; rather, it strips Kirito of his typical 'Mary Sue protagonist' spotlight moments.
 
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I understand what Fujino means by saying 'The "Fairy Dance" and "Phantom Bullet" stories did not happen.' He's emphasizing that these events didn't unfold as they did in the original—where Asuna was quickly rescued by her father, and Sinon was saved early by Hebishima. It's not that ALO doesn't exist in this version; rather, it strips Kirito of his typical 'Mary Sue protagonist' spotlight moments.
Hebeshima is a character from the original?!?!?! I thought he was like Inoda developed by Fujino?I just don't remember any mentions in the game that hebeshima saved sinon and I couldn't find a wiki page about him
 
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Well Fujino definitely said that Oberon didn't rape Asuna. I think this is update 0.6 or 0.65, it was in the memory room and the dove shouted it
Oh wait I vaguely remember that. But then why are we shown multiple clips of it happening? Why was Asuna hospitalized for sex addiction and made to forget? The more Fujino denies, the more the plot just unravels until nothing makes sense.
 
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Oh wait I vaguely remember that. But then why are we shown multiple clips of it happening? Why was Asuna hospitalized for sex addiction and made to forget? The more Fujino denies, the more the plot just unravels until nothing makes sense.
these are just kirito's dreams, maybe there was just no penetration, but there was something else, we only know that there was SOME sexual violence on asuna and that's all
 
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