Taffy Tales been removed by Patreon - my official statement

[anne O'nymous]

A very sad news indeed, recently Patreon has started to act very strictly against adult content (again)

Yeah, it's a really sad... But not for the reason you think.

For six years, a team funded a game featuring rape and incest through a platform that, since near to seven years, explicitly forbid none consensual sex and incest. A ban that was still doing the news in the adult gaming community when they registered to Patreon.
Then, when they are finally caught, they starts to play victim, blaming Patreon for their own fault. All this because they thought that, when you try to build a business, reading the Terms of Service is something optional they don't have to do.

So yeah, that there's parents who let their toddlers team up and make a +18 game is something extremely sad...


All that popcorn have been wasted long enough, time to have a reason to eat it.

 

[holaje12]

 

[The Omni Degenerate]

I'm re-posting here my official statement (as well as Uberpie's) for everyone to read what's happened and for the details not to get lost in the endless sea of comments... Keep that in mind as you read.

Uberpie statement (below):

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And here's my official statement on the matter, (below)

Suffice to say, this has been a huge and shocking blow,
not necessarily that a suspension has happened, (this is Patreon - it only takes one report to trigger an investigation),
but rather ... the sudden abruptness by which the project was just unceremoniously put out to pasture - for now, at least.

I've been working on the Taffy Tales project since early 2018, it is, possibly now was, the first project I ever became involved with.

Until I know for sure whether this project is going to continue or not, and whether I still have a place in it, I can't talk freely about everything, including my feelings, many of my thoughts and key events, so you'll have to forgive me if I can't answer any pending questions.

With that said...

I've long, long been concerned about the tightening nose of Patreon, and shared these sentiments with Uberpie many times previously - and once again, my concerns are proven correct.
The simple fact is, the more people choose to empower patreon over things like subscribestar, the more they can and will dictate the types of games you want.

I'm sure, there will be a complete flood and fury of developers and detectives-in-the-making rushing to speculate on the many various rules that may or may not have been broken in order to make sense of this.

Stop.

Just stop... It's become so tiring.

...Even if you prove rule X was broken, or bent, or whatever you feel justifies the page being purged,
even if you hate Taffy Tales, hate me, or hate Uberpie or whatever.

Patreon gave nothing more than a vague deadline of 72 hours to fix problems which they refused to specify what they actually took issue with.

-Why was the page not held in suspension while the team was at least given a chance to fix the issues like so many other devs get to do?
-Why were the offending issues not listed?
-After refusing to extend the suspension, despite the team making contact and saying they were willing to make changes, how did Patreon realistically expect any changes to be effectively made within 72 hours before the page got terminated? It's neigh impossible.

Even if the rules *were* broken... Is that okay? Is that acceptable?
The rules are applied inconsistently, with some devs, who I think we all know are treated VERY differently than everyone else, are given free passes, whereas everyone else gets to face the firing squad.

(And I don't blame those devs I will add, only this system that's been allowed to cultivate.)

The simple truth is, Patreon has made an example of Taffy Tales to prove a point - They can and will come after you, and if they don't feel like actually treating you equally and fair, they don't have to.

Now, I don't know what will happen to me.
Perhaps, this is it for me and Taffy Tales.
Or perhaps, if I'm still around, (due to the obvious budget cuts) - I will have to cut back my work amount.

...Or maybe, this will all blow over and subscribestar (should uber create an account there), will be an instant success.
We just don't know right now.

In light of this, if this is the end of the road for me with Taffy Tales, (for whatever reason).
Then I hope at the very least, I'll be able to see some familiar faces with my own project you can find here:

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(I hope that doesn't seem too selfish putting a link to my project there ... But I really don't know for sure what will happen and I *do* have to at least try to make sure I'll be okay - as well as I hope the rest of the team will be no matter what).

I will know more soon on my own fate I imagine.
Pretty worrying time over all though.
This has been pretty much my main job these last few years, and well, now it may be gone which is one hell of a mental mind-fuck for me to deal with right now.
Hopefully, I and everyone else will come out of this alright.

As a final note...

I never imagined the project would blow up the way it did,
and, despite everything...despite if you think the project fell off at some point or whatever...

It was pretty cool for a while, wasn't it?
Hopefully see you on the flip side, space cowboy.



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Hopefully, I at least got to make people laugh one more time with that one.

HOLY! YOUR THE ONE MAKING PARASITE BLACK!?! I honestly never knew that I’ve been following the project since the first time it came out I consider it to be up there with ravager or seeds of chaos. And I actually liked it more than taffy tails tbh. I certainly hope you continue to work on your own project. It’s definitely good enough to carry you in my opinion.

 

[MAKE DEEPFAKES]

Really wish Patreon would keep their political activism out of other people's wallets.

 

[Pinks3men]

Your guys' last 2 years of updates were trash. Maybe Patreon felt betrayed that you threw in a bunch of AI pictures and random NTR out of nowhere. Glad you guys are paying for your sins and lose out on your cash cow, and all your assets will be used by others AI in the future to make better games. Thanks for playing and hope you guys milked your audience enough. - pink

 

[Woodalicca]

" Always wanting to do something in 3-4 months instead of 6-8 months ? "

Don't make me laugh - with Shao Kahn's voice...

Come on, don't wanna be mean, but Dude was never communicating, always hiding, always lying, always missing his deadlines. Lostraven became a community manager and was doing HIS JOB trying to clean up the mess and calm down the community. If the page got taken down, some pplz reported him in an unprecedented way. There's no other explanation.

How many Devs here get regularly reported, but ALWAYS come back. Why not him ? Anyway, it's been ages I stopped playing this One. It started great 7 years ago, then went down in a bad and nauseous way. Won't be missed for my part. Adios.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

When you give someone too much monopoly, they inevitably start to throw their weight around.

 

[SamuraiDice]

All things fade in time,
developers are no exception,
many have gone, some are going,
look after them, while you have them.

 

[Cartman-Brah]

Patreon gave nothing more than a vague deadline of 72 hours to fix problems which they refused to specify what they actually took issue with.

-Why was the page not held in suspension while the team was at least given a chance to fix the issues like so many other devs get to do?
-Why were the offending issues not listed?

I think I can do it instead of patreon. I haven't played your game, but looking at the tags was enough.



you'll probably say: “80% of the games on the site have this content, why don't they suspend the patreon accounts of the others”. and after you say that I won't have an answer for you because I don't know. they have certain rules and they seem to enforce them as they see fit.

 

[AllNatural939]

I haven't shown my game anywhere... the attached screenshot is the same letter I got each of the six times I reapplied, each time changing a font color or slightly changing a word in my limited "about page" so that they would accept a new submission... I'd screenshot the page but I don't want to reveal my project unless I'm actually releasing it and the images are a big clue... I'm sorry I posted here and you have been a great help... I'm still working with Patreon so we'll see... but I'm going to stop replying here because this is another gamer's thread and I hate to hijack it with my issues... I only meant to chime in that "yeah, it does appear to be hard to deal with Patreon..." and not get into the weeds of my own issues. Thanks again tho... you have been a help.

I'm pretty sure it's because of your other project that's currently being reviewed. If something from before smells bad, it's logical that they don't want to approve anything new that could end up smelling really bad too... You forgot to tell that part of the story.

 

[peterppp]

I'm pretty sure it's because of your other project that's currently being reviewed. If something from before smells bad, it's logical that they don't want to approve anything new that could end up smelling really bad too... You forgot to tell that part of the story.

what other project? the conan one must be the project he talked about since he posted it shortly after talking here. i haven't checked his patreon since end of march when this was discussed but his patreon was reviewed then and it is now... which is an impressively long time if it has been in review all that time, but maybe he just gave up on the game/patreon. the guy hasn't been seen on f95 since he last posted the game on march 27

 

[Count Morado]

he guy hasn't been seen on the site since he last posted the game on march 27

Ohnoes, Patreon's hit squad took him out!

 

[AllNatural939]

what other project? the conan one must be the project he talked about since he posted it shortly after talking here. i haven't checked his patreon since end of march when this was discussed but his patreon was reviewed then and it is now... which is an impressively long time if it has been in review all that time, but maybe he just gave up on the game/patreon. the guy hasn't been seen on f95 since he last posted the game on march 27

He said it was another project that no one knows about yet... But yeah, that Conan game is the one I say might be the problem. Unresolved issue on Patreon, it's only logical that Patreon wants to keep him at bay.

 

[peterppp]

He said it was another project that no one knows about yet... But yeah, that Conan game is the one I say might be the problem. Unresolved issue on Patreon, it's only logical that Patreon wants to keep him at bay.

he said that BEFORE posting the conan game. so that is the game

 

[AllNatural939]

he said that BEFORE posting the conan game. so that is the game

Oh, fuck, my bad... I didn't see the date, I always forget that there are people reviving dead topics...

 

[lostraven]

I think I can do it instead of patreon. I haven't played your game, but looking at the tags was enough.

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you'll probably say: “80% of the games on the site have this content, why don't they suspend the patreon accounts of the others”. and after you say that I won't have an answer for you because I don't know. they have certain rules and they seem to enforce them as they see fit.

Well first, it's not my game. It's uberpies.

Secondly, Patreon likely purged it due to a reporting of the game from someone, which I imagine, had been on their radar for a while, and was the excuse needed to set things in motion. So, with the report in, they went ahead and made a scorched earth/sacrifical lamb of it. When patreon wants to 'make a point,' they do.

I still do have some issue with how the whole thing went down, but I'm a lot clearer thinking now on things.

 

[Fzeren]

As I recall, patreon doesn't have any power, they're subject to the payment processors. Why are they still being talked about as the 'political activist baddies'? It's like calling the local grocery store tyrannical because it doesn't sell experimental narcotics.

 

[researchpurposes]

Didn't Patreon ban Sargon 6 years ago?

Activist cringe company does activist things and you're surprised? Literally "first they came for .. and i kept using their services anyways"-saying.

 

[laladon]

Patreon is a shitshow for all adult content creators (since years now) and i still don't understand why people in this part of the game/content industrie use it. i hope the game continues on subscripestar-adult. best wishes

 

[razfaz]

Sad, but move on.

Patreon has to adapt because of its size, whether due to credit card institutions or some local-country laws if they want to be global.
How ever, You can't have both, maximum freedom of expression and global reach.

I don't like it either, but that's how it is, the only way left is not to rely one just one "monetize" option/platform.