I mean, we need Patreon to stay around so Subscribestar stays small and doesn't have to bow to the big financial institutions wishes.
Taffy Tales been removed by Patreon - my official statement
- Thread starter lostraven
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Do you remember what day they banned the Patreon? Auto withdrawal is on the 5th of every month, and when they ban you, they keep all your earnings you didn't withdrawal. I'm trying to see if they purposely ban people just before the auto withdrawal date to take all your earnings for the month
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Lostraven opened this thread 16 March 2024. If you go to the Taffy Tales thread, you see it went under review a couple days prior 32,451and removed 15 March.
So, no.
Yes, I'm shitting my drawers rn with this ban wave going on. Last month's take home was $3.50, and I just can't afford to lose that. If I have to, I'm willing to hop ship with my 2 supporters.
I'm just really curious if they're that dirty. The conspiracist in me believes they are since they pocket your money and ban some creators for things while letting other creators get away with similar content. I can't imagine these people making $10K, even $500, every month, then losing that. When you're making money like that, fucking up is not an option.
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From where do you get this idea from?
From Patreon's website:
"If your campaign is under suspension for a content violation during a payment cycle, your payments for the month will not be included for processing and will be lost. Your patrons will not be charged for their pledges during that cycle. Furthermore, payments lost while your campaign is under suspension will not be reprocessed after unsuspension."
Also, if you are that paranoid.... Follow the rules of the site you are using as a funding platform. Done.
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It's not ALL adult content creators, only the ones using kinks/fetishes that are against their rules. The rest are fine and have nothing to worry about.
They aren't letting others creators get away with anything, they don't monitor all adult content creators 24/7, they rely on reports. Also not sure why any part of you, conspiracist or not would think they are dirty at all? They have had these rules for years, they send out e-mails when they update / change their rules / policies and they have been upfront and open about the consequences of breaking the rules.
Patreon is as much a victim in all this as the devs are.
From what people have shared on reddit patreon, it seems that they do let other creators get away with things. I follow a creator, and in one of there videos, the girl is tied down, unconscious, and is being fucked. The creator's account was put under review and lucky for them, patreon worked with them and made them remove it.
There are other creators with videos where the girl is being pinned down and struggles to free herself; another where the girl is clearly drugged, unconscious, and emotionless; and another where the girl is being choked, resists in. These videos still exist for purchase on those creator accounts.
Then there are the people that report they were not given a chance to fix or remove there work, how their work is similar to another creator's; and just get ignored and banned.
This is what I'm seeing and reading from other people's stories. You are probably right, though, since they rely on reports, maybe those accounts just weren't reported
- Jul 30, 2017
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Here's what the devs should do, you need to 'Play Ball' with Patreon, you gotta learn how to be PC; politically correct.
First, this part of the statement is extremely important:
That's a huge hint. They're basically saying that things need to die down for a few months. Chances are Patreon got into trouble by Paypal for Taffy Tales, or someone higher up got scolded and they just need to let the dust settle.
1. From the date they told you to stay away from Patreon, wait 4 months.
2. Remove all sexual content from the game (this is temporary) and make a SMUT FREE version. This would probably take no more than a day, and an extra day for testing. Unless your code is a complete mess (it happens), then 3-4 days.
3. Submit this smut free version of Taffy Tales to Patreon, once they approve it, Patreon page restored. If they don't, then you only lost 3-4 days of time; imo it's worth therisk.
4. If they restore your page, then in the next version of the smut free version, you're going to slowly re-add porn content BACK into the game, but before you do so, you're going to submit the sexual scenarios to Patreon for approval. Once approved, you add it back in slowly. This can occur over a period of 45-60 days. Patreon staff are great at accepting or rejecting a specific lewd scenario you pitch to them.
5. Repeat step 3 until nearly all content is restored, and whatever content that's rejected, make a detailed note of what it is and then release it to the community so other porn game devs can benefit, you'll be a hero. You'll clearly know what caused the violation in the first place if you follow this methodology.
Remember, the goal here is simple. GET the patreon page back up at ANY cost, that's the first step.
Open to criticism.
First, this part of the statement is extremely important:
That's a huge hint. They're basically saying that things need to die down for a few months. Chances are Patreon got into trouble by Paypal for Taffy Tales, or someone higher up got scolded and they just need to let the dust settle.
1. From the date they told you to stay away from Patreon, wait 4 months.
2. Remove all sexual content from the game (this is temporary) and make a SMUT FREE version. This would probably take no more than a day, and an extra day for testing. Unless your code is a complete mess (it happens), then 3-4 days.
3. Submit this smut free version of Taffy Tales to Patreon, once they approve it, Patreon page restored. If they don't, then you only lost 3-4 days of time; imo it's worth therisk.
4. If they restore your page, then in the next version of the smut free version, you're going to slowly re-add porn content BACK into the game, but before you do so, you're going to submit the sexual scenarios to Patreon for approval. Once approved, you add it back in slowly. This can occur over a period of 45-60 days. Patreon staff are great at accepting or rejecting a specific lewd scenario you pitch to them.
5. Repeat step 3 until nearly all content is restored, and whatever content that's rejected, make a detailed note of what it is and then release it to the community so other porn game devs can benefit, you'll be a hero. You'll clearly know what caused the violation in the first place if you follow this methodology.
Remember, the goal here is simple. GET the patreon page back up at ANY cost, that's the first step.
Open to criticism.
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Patreon worked with them after finding content that should not be.
No mention that Patreon is aware.
These are all one-sided from the person who was banned. You would be surprised how people don't tell the full truth of a story. Just their side of it, and many times with key information not mentioned.
Also, if a creator had been warned before and given a second chance, Patreon is more likely to not bother with working with a creator another time and simply remove the account. Why go to the hassle if a creator is just going to do the same thing over and over.
Sometimes the content is so "extreme" or "prolific" in Patreon's eyes that it is obvious that the creator intentionally was in breach of the agreement ---- what's the point of attempting to give someone a second chance that is giving you two big middle fingers straight from the start?
You solved your own quandary. Congratulations.
Your method is quite similar to why Taffy Tales got removed.
Originally, the game was called "Family Tales" and was set in a high school with incest, etc. Patreon did not like that and allowed Uberpie to change things to put in line with Patreon policies.
Then Uberpie added rape and other content which runs afoul of Patreon policies. Over the course of the 5-6 years, Uberpie became a top 20 adult game creator on Patreon. Then the game was most likely reported or a spot check on games revealed to Patreon that Uberpie was not in compliance with the creators' agreement nor the agreement that allowed Uberpie the second chance in the first place those years ago.
Whatever went down after they found out... the end result was that Uberpie's account was suspended and then removed.
So, no, your method - in the long run - is not a great idea.
The best idea is to find a platform with the policies you know you can work with... and then follow those policies.
You are informational, but you choose to lace a lot of your replies with passive aggression. Is that an F95 thing? Is this something that people with the "Conversation Conqueror" title do; try to start arguments for perks?
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A lot of people on this site throw around the term "passive aggressive" but do not appear to know how to differentiate sarcasm, sardonicism, and passive aggressive.
The first two can be seen as possible attributes displayed in a person using the third, however they are not fully comprise the third.
In the 188 words I used in my first two replies to your posts (not counting my quoting Patreon, because that would dilute the data), I was being sardonic in 6 of them: "You solved your own quandary. Congratulations." That's 3.2% (rounded up) sardonicism.
This one is nearly 100% sardonicism with a bit of passive aggressiveness thrown into the intro.
Your mileage may vary.
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Correct me if I'm wrong --is Uberpie making a Taffytales port on Steam? Or is the whole project unsalvageable? If it's still possible, I can participate to contribute some work for it's Game CGI as an artist.I'm re-posting here my official statement (as well as Uberpie's) for everyone to read what's happened and for the details not to get lost in the endless sea of comments... Keep that in mind as you read.
Uberpie statement (below):
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And here's my official statement on the matter, (below)
Suffice to say, this has been a huge and shocking blow,
not necessarily that a suspension has happened, (this is Patreon - it only takes one report to trigger an investigation),
but rather ... the sudden abruptness by which the project was just unceremoniously put out to pasture - for now, at least.
I've been working on the Taffy Tales project since early 2018, it is, possibly now was, the first project I ever became involved with.
Until I know for sure whether this project is going to continue or not, and whether I still have a place in it, I can't talk freely about everything, including my feelings, many of my thoughts and key events, so you'll have to forgive me if I can't answer any pending questions.
With that said...
I've long, long been concerned about the tightening nose of Patreon, and shared these sentiments with Uberpie many times previously - and once again, my concerns are proven correct.
The simple fact is, the more people choose to empower patreon over things like subscribestar, the more they can and will dictate the types of games you want.
I'm sure, there will be a complete flood and fury of developers and detectives-in-the-making rushing to speculate on the many various rules that may or may not have been broken in order to make sense of this.
Stop.
Just stop... It's become so tiring.
...Even if you prove rule X was broken, or bent, or whatever you feel justifies the page being purged,
even if you hate Taffy Tales, hate me, or hate Uberpie or whatever.
Patreon gave nothing more than a vague deadline of 72 hours to fix problems which they refused to specify what they actually took issue with.
-Why was the page not held in suspension while the team was at least given a chance to fix the issues like so many other devs get to do?
-Why were the offending issues not listed?
-After refusing to extend the suspension, despite the team making contact and saying they were willing to make changes, how did Patreon realistically expect any changes to be effectively made within 72 hours before the page got terminated? It's neigh impossible.
Even if the rules *were* broken... Is that okay? Is that acceptable?
The rules are applied inconsistently, with some devs, who I think we all know are treated VERY differently than everyone else, are given free passes, whereas everyone else gets to face the firing squad.
(And I don't blame those devs I will add, only this system that's been allowed to cultivate.)
The simple truth is, Patreon has made an example of Taffy Tales to prove a point - They can and will come after you, and if they don't feel like actually treating you equally and fair, they don't have to.
Now, I don't know what will happen to me.
Perhaps, this is it for me and Taffy Tales.
Or perhaps, if I'm still around, (due to the obvious budget cuts) - I will have to cut back my work amount.
...Or maybe, this will all blow over and subscribestar (should uber create an account there), will be an instant success.
We just don't know right now.
In light of this, if this is the end of the road for me with Taffy Tales, (for whatever reason).
Then I hope at the very least, I'll be able to see some familiar faces with my own project you can find here:
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(I hope that doesn't seem too selfish putting a link to my project there ... But I really don't know for sure what will happen and I *do* have to at least try to make sure I'll be okay - as well as I hope the rest of the team will be no matter what).
I will know more soon on my own fate I imagine.
Pretty worrying time over all though.
This has been pretty much my main job these last few years, and well, now it may be gone which is one hell of a mental mind-fuck for me to deal with right now.
Hopefully, I and everyone else will come out of this alright.
As a final note...
I never imagined the project would blow up the way it did,
and, despite everything...despite if you think the project fell off at some point or whatever...
It was pretty cool for a while, wasn't it?
Hopefully see you on the flip side, space cowboy.
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Hopefully, I at least got to make people laugh one more time with that one.
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They're trying to port the whole thing onto steam.
DM me some of your art or discord it to me I suppose.