Unity Taffy Tales [S1 Redux] [UberPie]

[hakarlman]

The creator should just remove any offending content from his game. In a few posts back, someone mentioned the game has mind control, remove that. Someone said there is clear signs of incest in game, remove that. If patreon thinks some of the characters are too young, make them older.

Once it's all removed and page restored, then create a separate unofficial ROGUE patch that adds the content removed, back in, problem solved.

 

[Solak]

The creator should just remove any offending content from his game. In a few posts back, someone mentioned the game has mind control, remove that. Someone said there is clear signs of incest in game, remove that. If patreon thinks some of the characters are too young, make them older.

Once it's all removed and page restored, then create a separate unofficial ROGUE patch that adds the content removed, back in, problem solved.

The problem is that Patreon didn't tell them what it thinks. It just told them "you bad so you gone" without saying why. That's the real issue.

 

[Count Morado]

The problem is that Patreon didn't tell them what it thinks. It just told them "you bad so you gone" without saying why. That's the real issue.

Well, that's what Uberpie is telling everyone. It's the only version that's been told.

 

[Bloodguard]

Damn....waited six years to bang little Sis and now it looks like it's never going to happen. Bummer.

 

[Ragnar]

Here's my official statement on the matter.

Suffice to say, this has been a huge and shocking blow,
not necessarily that a suspension has happened, (this is Patreon - it only takes one report to trigger an investigation),
but rather ... the sudden abruptness by which the project was just unceremoniously put out to pasture - for now, at least.

I've been working on the Taffy Tales project since early 2018, it is, possibly now was, the first project I ever became involved with.

Until I know for sure whether this project is going to continue or not, and whether I still have a place in it, I can't talk freely about everything, including my feelings, many of my thoughts and key events, so you'll have to forgive me if I can't answer any pending questions.

With that said...

I've long, long been concerned about the tightening nose of Patreon, and shared these sentiments with Uberpie many times previously - and once again, my concerns are proven correct.
The simple fact is, the more people choose to empower patreon over things like subscribestar, the more they can and will dictate the types of games you want.

I'm sure, there will be a complete flood and fury of developers and detectives-in-the-making rushing to speculate on the many various rules that may or may not have been broken in order to make sense of this.

Stop.

Just stop... It's become so tiring.

...Even if you prove rule X was broken, or bent, or whatever you feel justifies the page being purged,
even if you hate Taffy Tales, hate me, or hate Uberpie or whatever.

Patreon gave nothing more than a vague deadline of 72 hours to fix problems which they refused to specify what they actually took issue with.

-Why was the page not held in suspension while the team was at least given a chance to fix the issues like so many other devs get to do?
-Why were the offending issues not listed?
-After refusing to extend the suspension, despite the team making contact and saying they were willing to make changes, how did Patreon realistically expect any changes to be effectively made within 72 hours before the page got terminated? It's neigh impossible.

Even if the rules *were* broken... Is that okay? Is that acceptable?
The rules are applied inconsistently, with some devs, who I think we all know are treated VERY differently than everyone else, are given free passes, whereas everyone else gets to face the firing squad.

(And I don't blame those devs I will add, only this system that's been allowed to cultivate.)

The simple truth is, Patreon has made an example of Taffy Tales to prove a point - They can and will come after you, and if they don't feel like actually treating you equally and fair, they don't have to.

Now, I don't know what will happen to me.
Perhaps, this is it for me and Taffy Tales.
Or perhaps, if I'm still around, (due to the obvious budget cuts) - I will have to cut back my work amount.

...Or maybe, this will all blow over and subscribestar (should uber create an account there), will be an instant success.
We just don't know right now.

In light of this, if this is the end of the road for me with Taffy Tales, (for whatever reason).
Then I hope at the very least, I'll be able to see some familiar faces with my own project you can find here:

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(I hope that doesn't seem too selfish putting a link to my project there ... But I really don't know for sure what will happen and I *do* have to at least try to make sure I'll be okay - as well as I hope the rest of the team will be no matter what).

I will know more soon on my own fate I imagine.
Pretty worrying time over all though.
This has been pretty much my main job these last few years, and well, now it may be gone which is one hell of a mental mind-fuck for me to deal with right now.
Hopefully, I and everyone else will come out of this alright.

As a final note...

I never imagined the project would blow up the way it did,
and, despite everything...despite if you think the project fell off at some point or whatever...

It was pretty cool for a while, wasn't it?
Hopefully see you on the flip side, space cowboy.



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Hopefully, I at least got to make people laugh one more time with that one.

The only ones at fault here are devs because at the end of the day you're at Patreon's mercy if you use their platform.
Does your game have content that goes against Patreon stupid rules? You're fucked.
Use SS, Steam and other platforms if your game is not a vanilla soap opera.

 

[Count Morado]

The only ones at fault here are devs because at the end of the day you're at Patreon's mercy if you use their platform.
Does your game have content that goes against Patreon stupid rules? You're fucked.
Use SS, Steam and other platforms if your game is not a vanilla soap opera.

No matter what platform a developer uses, they are "at the mercy" of the platform. That's the way it is with any business - all businesses do want their clients to succeed, however at the end of the day they have to make sure they are able to stay in business when the next day begins.

• Developers are at the mercy of funding platforms.
• Funding platforms are at the mercy of payment processors.
• Payment processors are at the mercy of public trust, regulation agencies, and elected officials.
• Funding platforms and payment processors are both at the mercy of stockholders, if they are publicly traded companies.
• Regulation agencies are at the mercy of elected officials.
• Elected officials are at the mercy of the public trust.
• Adults who have the right/responsibility to vote decide what's in the best interest of the public trust when they go to the ballot box.

In the end, the best thing developers can do if they want to remain on a platform as long as possible with the least amount of trouble is to make sure they follow the guidelines that have been in place for years and if there is doubt or if they think they might be pushing the envelope, to reach out to platform representatives for advice prior to adding certain content -- and to keep documentation of that advice, just in case.

 

[Ragnar]

No matter what platform a developer uses, they are "at the mercy" of the platform. That's the way it is with any business - all businesses do want their clients to succeed, however at the end of the day they have to make sure they are able to stay in business when the next day begins.

• Developers are at the mercy of funding platforms.
• Funding platforms are at the mercy of payment processors.
• Payment processors are at the mercy of public trust, regulation agencies, and elected officials.
• Regulation agencies are at the mercy of elected officials.
• Elected officials are at the mercy of the public trust.
• Adults who have the right/responsibility to vote decide what's in the best interest of the public trust when they go to the ballot box.

In the end, the best thing developers can do if they want to remain on a platform as long as possible with the least amount of trouble is to make sure they follow the guidelines that have been in place for years and if there is doubt or if they think they might be pushing the envelope, to reach out to platform representatives for advice prior to adding certain content -- and to keep documentation of that advice, just in case.

After all these years in the business Uberpie should have known better. Patreon doesn't allow high school/young porn games, just with that rule TT is out. Why TT doesn't have a SS page since years ago? SS allows many things Patreon doesn't.
Start a SS page and release the game in Steam, forget about Patreon.

 

[Count Morado]

After all these years in the business Uberpie should have known better. Patreon doesn't allow high school/young porn games, just with that rule TT is out. Why TT doesn't have a SS page since years ago? SS allows many things Patreon doesn't.
Start a SS page and release the game in Steam, forget about Patreon.

Taffy Tales is set in a "college," and has been so since at least the rework back in early 2018, when Uberpie was first under review by Patreon when the game was called "Family Tales." At that time Uberpie had to remove the relationships of the MC with Mary and Tiffany, and revise any other content Patreon Safety Team required for Uberpie to have a Patreon page.

The age and setting of the characters shouldn't be a problem for Taffy Tales as it exists.

Steam is also reluctant to list any adult games with a high school setting, btw. There have been developers rejected by Steam on that premise, alone, with adult content.

 

[Ragnar]

Taffy Tales is set in a "college," and has been so since at least the rework back in early 2018, when Uberpie was first under review by Patreon when the game was called "Family Tales." At that time Uberpie had to remove the relationships of the MC with Mary and Tiffany, and revise any other content Patreon Safety Team required for Uberpie to have a Patreon page.

The age and setting of the characters shouldn't be a problem for Taffy Tales as it exists.

Steam is also reluctant to list any adult games with a high school setting, btw. There have been developers rejected by Steam on that premise, alone, with adult content.

Even if you call her landlady or College a spade is a spade and you're at the whims of one person from Patreon. SS allows that content and I doubt they would have any problems getting backers there.
I get why TT team are considering to let the game die and sell what they have on Steam. You're getting 10k every month and then puff, no more money. But as I have said SS is the best platform for this type of game.

 

[Bootyjuice548]

Damn so we’ll never get ntr content. Rip the game

 

[Count Morado]

I get why TT team are considering to let the game die and sell what they have on Steam. You're getting 10k every month and then puff, no more money. But as I have said SS is the best platform for this type of game.

To be sure, this is an Uberpie decision. Not the entire team, though he will take their input. But at the end of the day, it's Uberpie, not the entire team.

I agree with you that Uberpie could start a Subscribestar account... or just use the itch.io account he already has by bringing it up to date in order to start rebuilding the funding while deciding whether or not to actually rework what they have for a Steam release. It's going to take months, if not more than a year, for the rework based upon the history of how Uberpie works and the state of the game, as it stands. And then, there's no guarantee that Steam will accept it, anyway. It would make good sense, business and otherwise, to have income while whatever decision and work is being done.

There was talk a couple of years ago to submit the game for consideration on Steam when Uberpie had the game revamped and added the fake sandbox elements, but then decided not to... there had to be a reason at that time.

 

[WigglyWorld84]

We'll always have Paris.

 

[Ottoeight]

• Developers are at the mercy of funding platforms.
• Funding platforms are at the mercy of payment processors.
• Payment processors are at the mercy of public trust, regulation agencies, and elected officials.
• Funding platforms and payment processors are both at the mercy of stockholders, if they are publicly traded companies.
• Regulation agencies are at the mercy of elected officials.
• Elected officials are at the mercy of the public trust.
• Adults who have the right/responsibility to vote decide what's in the best interest of the public trust when they go to the ballot box.

• Funders are at the mercy of developers.

 

[Count Morado]

• Funders are at the mercy of developers.

Agree in part, disagree in part. I would say more funders are at the mercy of their own misunderstanding of the concept of subscriptions / patronage - conflating it with purchasing contracts and binding agreements, rather than being at the mercy of developers.

Either way, that wasn't the topic - the off-topic-for-this-thread topic of the conversation was the discussion of developers dependency on platforms, regardless of which.

 

[hrhr]

Instead of debating Patreon's policies as if they'd go back on their decision (which they probably won't) it would be more effective to attempt to promote a SS page so the project remains viable. If not even devs got a proper reply from Patreon there's no reason to believe talking about it here will be productive, just move on to a better platform and try to spread the word enough so the project doesn't die.

 

[harem.king]

Instead of debating Patreon's policies as if they'd go back on their decision (which they probably won't) it would be more effective to attempt to promote a SS page so the project remains viable. If not even devs got a proper reply from Patreon there's no reason to believe talking about it here will be productive, just move on to a better platform and try to spread the word enough so the project doesn't die.

well... where is the subscribestar page? itch.io still links to nonexistent patreon page

 

[lostraven]

The only ones at fault here are devs because at the end of the day you're at Patreon's mercy if you use their platform.
Does your game have content that goes against Patreon stupid rules? You're fucked.
Use SS, Steam and other platforms if your game is not a vanilla soap opera.

I increasingly believe even games that fall under Patreon's TOS, should at the very least have a backup of subscribestar ready.

My main issue is not the question of rules violation, clearly we violated something, but rather,
the grossly unfair treatment of how those rules are applied for some devs and not others.

Well, that's what Uberpie is telling everyone. It's the only version that's been told.

I was there from watching the page go from suspended to removed, and it all happened within about 48 hours tops.
I can safely say whatever Patreon took issue with, there was little to no chance of actually fixing any problems in such a short window regardless.

I am 99% sure Uberpie would have done whatever it took to keep the Patreon afloat - that includes conforming to whatever changes they asked.

...

I'm currently in talks with Uberpie about what comes next direction wise, I suppose they'll be an annoucement soon-ish when a decision on the direction to take has been reached.

 

[Count Morado]

I was there from watching the page go from suspended to removed, and it all happened within about 48 hours tops.
I can safely say whatever Patreon took issue with, there was little to no chance of actually fixing any problems in such a short window regardless.

I am 99% sure Uberpie would have done whatever it took to keep the Patreon afloat - that includes conforming to whatever changes they asked.

Understood. However, you have no actual knowledge of what the letter from Patreon said or if it was the first attempt recently or the last attempt to have Uberpie get the content into compliance.

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I hope you the best in all your endeavors.

 

[Readerf2b]

So patreon thought that the game is too rapey.
That suck.

 

[lostraven]

And fixed.

Understood. However, you have no actual knowledge of what the letter from Patreon said or if it was the first attempt recently or the last attempt to have Uberpie get the content into compliance.

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