VN Ren'Py The Adventurous Couple [TACOS S2 P3b] [Mircom3D]

[Leongen43]

88stanford88 now has a new rule he only responds to new users

It must be a temporary promotion until she writes something that Martin boy doesn't like and puts her on the blacklist like us, will she have categories on her blacklist and which one will Sadowdark and I be in?

 

[Dessolos]

It must be a temporary promotion until she writes something that Martin boy doesn't like and puts her on the blacklist like us, will she have categories on her blacklist and which one will Sadowdark and I be in?

I thought of a drinking game when it comes to Martin Boy tho could get dangerously drunk. At the end of the week count how many times he calls this game a Masterpiece and take a shot.

 

[Dessolos]

Bravo, you can do that while getting drunk and in the meantime I count how many times your wife has already cuckolded you.
She must be very proud of your ideas...or do you only try to crack a joke by making fun of others?!
If you can't find any game related topic just stfu!

well that would 0 I admit I was being a bit of an asshole but It was just a joke that was funny to me in the moment sorry if I offended you by talking about your friend.

 

[Leongen43]

It's not me you offended but I'm reacting allergical when seeing someone outnumbered and gets nearly bullied in an area where it doesn't need to happen at all.
As long as it is a discussion about related topics all is safe but making fun of someone isn't the clean way.

I liked what you said, you tried to give that same speech to Martin boy because so far he has no problem disrespecting the other members and insulting the way we play where the only valid opinion is his, you should try if you can But be careful lest they put you on their blacklist, how many will there be so far?

 

[Sadowdark]

It must be a temporary promotion until she writes something that Martin boy doesn't like and puts her on the blacklist like us, will she have categories on her blacklist and which one will Sadowdark and I be in?

I've been on his blacklist more than once and then came back, I don't know why

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

HAHA, so you stopped playing because Anne behaves like 95% of all women?

I was a little disappointed with the pizza guy being kinder and gentler than before...it's funny when you think about it, but the prior version Anne got with some 50 or so people, and out of all those guys, only ONE had any of the Bull tendencies where he could potentially take over the relationship (Martin isn't a bull, he's a thief). That's a huge opportunity missed as obviously with couples that actually open their marriage, an asshole that tries taking over their lives/marriage has to be up there on the list of concerns when strangers get thrown into the mix (and someone unworthy like a lowly pizza guy taking over would be quite the spicy story line IMO). I think the whole aspect of risk and pushing boundaries is absent because Tony has no internal struggle, no doubts to his wife's love, no worries expressed getting together with total strangers, Tony is 100% a-ok with everything, so there are no stakes.
You actual cucks will have to verify this for me, but isn't the whole point of a cuckold is the jealousy and helpless feeling that something might be growing out of your control? People want drama, high stakes, different scenarios...one of the strangers is a sadist for example, or a guy that tells Anne what to do and she listens to him more than the MC, maybe a girl the MC tries to seduce turns out to be a dom tranny that wants Ann, get crazy with it as hurdles and obstacles that occur when you do something like opening a marriage are as sure a thing as death and taxes. The fact that everyone this couple interacts with are all cookie cutter gentleman personalities is lame and unimaginative.

You're confusing ntr themes with hotwifing/swinger themes. When you say the whole point is jealousy and feeling helpless, those are very much elements in an NTR story, and not at all in a swinger/hotwife story. Most in the latter want none of that. You sound like an NTR fan, whereas this story (and remake in particular) is much more swinger/hotwife focused.

So out of all the possible implementations developer chose the absolute worst possible way of implementing "animation".

Why?

Just why man, why?

1 - It's a bullet point they can put on their Patreon/Subscribestar/Itch.io page.

2 - There is still a whole army of hogs out there willing to happily eat this slop, because moving pixels is good enough.

3 - Those same hogs will happily lambast anyone else who proffers an opinion that isn't uncritically positive.

4 - 'WhAt GaMe DiD yOu MaKe!? HoW dArE yOu CrItIcIzE tHeM!1!1'

5 - Dunning-Kreuger Effect: 'How hard can it be to animate when the program does all the work for you?'

IMO it comes down to Daz&renpy significantly lowering the barriers to entry of game creation. That's mostly a good thing, but a side effect is people without the traditional game design skills you'd expect are behind many titles. As the overwhelming majority of assets in a typical Daz game aren't made in-house, the dev has little experience (and it stays that way) with what's under the hood. That's not to say the typical game made in UE doesn't include many imported assets, but I'd bet the average UE dev has a much better command of skeletal movement, bone weighting, stuff like that.



Separately, I really wish the dev would make some alternative paths. Right now, while TACOS has slightly shifted tone from TAC, it's really just a series of "Show scene?/Skip scene?" choice buttons. I've never encountered a choice prompt where the "go further" choice had negative consequences, or the "nah let's not do this" choice was anything more than a scene skip. It'd be cool if they had weight, say declining a situation in which Anne is uncomfortable leads to a more trusting relationship, accessing new and different scenes, or vice versa. Perhaps this is part of what Jstforme's message above was speaking on; there's little gravity to the decisions.

 

[Sadowdark]

Separately, I really wish the dev would make some alternative paths. Right now, while TACOS has slightly shifted tone from TAC, it's really just a series of "Show scene?/Skip scene?" choice buttons. I've never encountered a choice prompt where the "go further" choice had negative consequences, or the "nah let's not do this" choice was anything more than a scene skip. It'd be cool if they had weight, say declining a situation in which Anne is uncomfortable leads to a more trusting relationship, accessing new and different scenes, or vice versa. Perhaps this is part of what Jstforme's message above was speaking on; there's little gravity to the decisions.

This new game lacks consistency in choice, but that's a common problem in games of this type. e.g. I didn't choose a scene, I didn't see it, but the game treats it as a scene that happened, which is hopeless.

 

[EvolutionKills]

IMO it comes down to Daz&renpy significantly lowering the barriers to entry of game creation. That's mostly a good thing, but a side effect is people without the traditional game design skills you'd expect are behind many titles. As the overwhelming majority of assets in a typical Daz game aren't made in-house, the dev has little experience (and it stays that way) with what's under the hood. That's not to say the typical game made in UE doesn't include many imported assets, but I'd bet the average UE dev has a much better command of skeletal movement, bone weighting, stuff like that.

I'm not expecting someone with zero experience in animation being able to do something decent on their first shot. However I hope that once a neophyte 'animator' had created the 'running' animation on the treadmills for this update, they'd have the good sense to be to tell just how shit the end product was, and simply can it before it ever saw the light of day. Nobody in the audience needed to know that this dev has rock-bottom quality control combined with zero skill at animation; but now that's plain for all to see.

Plus, this isn't a neophyte developer. This thread is 698 pages long and is a month short of 5 years old. This dev has been making renders and slapping them into Ren'Py for a substantial time. Even if they can't keyframe an animation to save their life, I'd expect them to AT LEAST be capable enough to package the animation sequence in such a way that doesn't cause the game engine they have 5+ years experience with to shudder, pause, and become unresponsive for literal seconds at a time. Even if they're not a capable animator, in 5 years they should be able to export a render as a video format (or at least be comfortable in Googling HOW), so that the end user experience isn't an absolute train wreck.

Again, nobody in the audience needed to know how incompetent this developer is, but now we all know.

 

[Adviar5050]

Being someone who has no idea what it takes to create a game like this, I will be honest, I laughed at the scene in the gym where the blonde in the blue shorts is running. Animation, when done right adds a lot to a game but that wasn't a good effort. BTW, I'm playing on Android and when it gets to that scene the game crashed for me. I re-tried it a few times and got the same result so I just went back and skipped going to the gym. Regarding the game itself, at this point I will have to say that Mircom has done a wonderful job of improving the things that I thought brought the game down. The scene in the bed when they were talking about Martin was very well done. Not only did it make sense but it also opened up a path where Annie could cheat on Tony (if you want to go down that path). Realize, while she did cheat on Tony in the original he never forbid her from seeing someone (I could be wrong it's been a while since I played the original). If at some point she does hook up with Martin that will be the ultimate cheating move. I'm not saying he will add it in but he has created a scenario that will definitely result in them breaking up. I always thought in the original, if you send Martin into the bathroom with Annie, Tony gets excited to see them. That doesn't make any sense at all. So overall, I have to say Mircom is doing a good job, but as I always say, that's just my opinion, it doesn't make it right, it just makes it mine.

 

[Leongen43]

(and)This new game lacks consistency in choice, but that's a common problem in games of this type. e.g. I didn't choose a scene, I didn't see it, but the game treats it as a scene that happened, which is hopeless.

I just played the update and I'm going to say it, it's not because it's believed or anything like that, it's the impression I got in the scene where they talk about the rules
What mircom3d wrote about the basic rules for not hurting your couple unnecessarily, honesty, distance and that the mc should be present or participate when Anne has sex with other people and where she clarifies that the mc does not push Anne to do things if not convince or encourage her to do things with other men and even the thing about Martin about why I didn't talk about it before to avoid being hurt by Anne, my doubt is because it is very similar to my posts that I exchange with grumpy and the others quite a few months ago, I would like Mircom3D to confirm it just to clear my doubts

 

[Jstforme]

You're confusing ntr themes with hotwifing/swinger themes. When you say the whole point is jealousy and feeling helpless, those are very much elements in an NTR story, and not at all in a swinger/hotwife story. Most in the latter want none of that. You sound like an NTR fan, whereas this story (and remake in particular) is much more swinger/hotwife focused.

I'm not against it if it's done right, I guess I get hung up on what this game was originally called in the first place "the cuckold"...it only got a name change to get more subscribers. The Dev changes their mind like the wind changing direction, so who knows what the final result will be...but to say this is a swinger focused game...none of the versions prior really fit that description, and I've yet to see any real swinging in this new version either.

 

[Leongen43]

As long as it's game related and you quote, answer or refer your speech directly to someone you can say what ever rules allow you to say to that person.
But quoting someone else and making fun behind someone's other back is a total different story and deserves a slap in the face.
Regarding the blacklist, as far as that is concerned, I couldn't care less, lol.

Putting aside our differences for a moment, you played the update and if you did, you read the part where they talk about the rules, they don't sound much like the post I wrote several times about having rules to not hurt your couple, the distance, the honesty and that the mc should be there watching or participating when Anne has sex with others, I reblogged my posts and many were what I exchanged with grumpy and that even Martín boy (88standford88) made fun of me saying that I was the good boy for thinking like that , what do you think?

 

[Leongen43]

In short the for-now-ground-rules say that she's allowed to do anything with other males as long as MC can watch live or over stream (Kenny) or even participate in except for one thing and that includes Martin.
It's a situation as if Mircom3d was somehow listening to your conversations but it's also dangerous because when you're on a specific route there might be lack of options or better said choices and you'll be forced to see the result of your given choices just because the ground rules are set. When MC acts against it so will Anne!
The rules will improve the more the story of them both continues and will depend on the routes they follow.

I write this in several posts, because I have a swinger relationship and they are basic rules that I use to not hurt my couple, I write several times about the lack of honesty and the distance between the couple that occurred in tac, I even write what scenes of Anne would be It would be better if the MC was there watching or participating or not in stories about Anne who ended up masturbating the MC. If I use my posts to write the rules, it's fine with me as long as it helps improve the game and as you said, let's hope it works because for me it would be the best. ideal and the healthiest thing for the couple to work, now we have to wait when Kelsie appears and see how Anne will react

 

[OllisNews]

The best fitness...

 

[88stanford88]

So is the dev using scenes from the old game or every thing is done from scratch again?

mixed scenes---
Eg: the scene with the strip poker with mike is very similar but he reworked again some renders
basically he is using the best renders that was in TAC for the backgroung
Eg: the scene in part 5b at the restaurant.... the restaurant is the same in the background and so is the waiter but he used a much fabulous dress for Anne and the scene is longer and leads to the choice of being able to invite the waiter to their house . and then have Anne fuck him.- this part was not in TAC.
However, it seems that the house where they live and the desk where the MC works are identical to TAC
the kitchen and the bedroom is the same.. all backgrounds used in TAC seems to be almost the same and this is great because it reduces the processing time
and I must admit that the dev is also following some of my suggestions in dressing Anne in more luxurious and transparent clothes or I understood better what he meant in making "better renders" this was my post about making better clothes in October 16 https://f95zone.to/threads/the-adventurous-couple-tacos-part-5b-mircom3d.7192/post-11971746


Tacos will be much better than TAC and the plot will be similar but with much more attention to making sure that players who follow the Path in which Anne is faithful don't suddenly see scenes that don't make sense to them... (I believe that those who want Anne to be completely faithful will miss the already hot scenes andand there may be premature bad endings for the couple

PS: Punta Cana vacation was ready in almost all the backgrounds as well because he will use the exactly same set design used in TAC. He changed only clothes and scene angles adding additional dialogues and events and baybe some new character that was nit in TAC-

 

[88stanford88]

I've never encountered a choice prompt where the "go further" choice had negative consequences, or the "nah let's not do this" choice was anything more than a scene skip.

Maybe you are right
here is the developer answer about this

Question 15: So if I don't pick one of those characters like Martin, I won't have him. I meant more that if I don't pick one of these characters, Anne doesn't cheat with them
Developer answer:
They’ll still be there as they are part of the story but the “hot” scenes won’t be available. Correct!

so YES!!! maybe this mean that the player will be able to skip the hottest scene where Anne fuck without limits
but the consequences will be in ALL PATHS and you have to wait the Endings
(and a lot of BAD endings are reachable before the story will go to the end) bc the goal for this couple is to NOT BREAK UP...

this means that their love for each other is so strong that all the extreme sex adventures will only strengthen their relationship....
I have told you so many times... that the desire for unlimited sex does not last forever... maybe after a year of this lifestyle they will get bored because they will have tried everything but really everything... and they will realize that they are indivisible

I'm not expecting someone with zero experience in animation being able to do something decent

animations waste time, and this story needs to be completed by next year.. I hope in next Summer because there are other games to write and Mircom3D maybe as soon as he gets the success he deserves he will hire animationexperts who will just have to do on his orders and maybe he will do a re-release of Tacos exactly as he completed it + animations!
and this SPECIAL TACOS edition will be used to pay the animation experts while he works on Christina which is his next project

so there is no time to create outstanding animations that would lengthen the processing time without adding anything to the storyline

I'm not against it if it's done right, I guess I get hung up on what this game was originally called in the first place "the cuckold"...it only got a name change to get more subscribers. The Dev changes their mind like the wind changing direction, so who knows what the final result will be...but to say this is a swinger focused game...none of the versions prior really fit that description, and I've yet to see any real swinging in this new version either.

So because he changed his own title for the story before the first release you think the dev changed his mind?
LOL
He decided to change the title of his own work because it fit the story much better
(and making money is very good idea for a developer that has close his daylight job to dedicate himself full time in producing adult games)

the story is about a couple and his wife Anne can be also a cuck-quean (su "the cuckold" cannot fit well with the stori)
se the game is not talking about the MC only.. infact Anne is his wife and in some scenes has her iwn choices

The developer never changed his mind and this game is about a couple married more than 5 years ago that are both experimenting with adventurous spirit the way to spice up their sex life... they still love each oder but they need to find the will to have sex again because they don't want to become like the same old cups that work and work and then have boring sex only on Saturday night and repeat this same routine forever .. and they are not farmers
that at least he can stick his dick in the sheep
and she can fuck the horses

PS:
I note with pleasure that different users are finally participating in the discussion ... but I have to decide whether to put them on my blacklist ... because it seems that the more users I ignore, the more new ones pop up ...
we'll see! i'm always interested in new ideas! (as long as they don't become the same as those on the black list

 

[EvolutionKills]

animations waste time, and this story needs to be completed by next year.. I hope in next Summer because there are other games to write and Mircom3D maybe as soon as he gets the success he deserves he will hire animationexperts who will just have to do on his orders and maybe he will do a re-release of Tacos exactly as he completed it + animations! this edition will be used to pay the animation experts while he works on Christina which is his next project

so there is no time to create outstanding animations that would lengthen the processing time without adding anything to the storyline

Other games to write? Oh, you must mean rebooting this game yet again, right?

Success he deserves? What, you mean failing to tell the same story 3 times is somehow deserving of more success?

Re-release TACOS with animations after the fact? That's so fucking stupid, I 100% believe that's a distinct possibility. It would be very on-brand at this point. I bet $20 the animation would still suck because the dev either cheaped out and knowingly hired a bad animator, or unknowingly hired a bad one because they can't tell the difference between quality animation and trash, or they just pocketed the money and continued to do bad animations themselves.

You can have things fast, cheap, or good. At most you can pick two, but never all three. Good animation will never be both fast and cheap. The dev here has demonstrated that they'd rather make 'good' be the dump stat in order to save time and/or money. There's no reason to think that's going to change in the future.

I note with pleasure that different users are finally participating in the discussion ... but I have to decide whether to put them on my blacklist ... because it seems that the more users I ignore, the more new ones pop up ...
we'll see! i'm always interested in new ideas! (as long as they don't become the same as those on the black list

Nothing says 'intellectual honesty' and 'I can handle contrary opinions and criticism in a healthy manner' quite like bragging about your blacklist. Looking forward to being added to that blacklist of yours I guess. It sounds just like Hell, and by that I mean that's where all the cool people hang out.

 

[88stanford88]

Re-release TACOS with animations after the fact? That's so fucking stupid, I 100% believe that's a distinct possibility.

I never say re-release in that way---

I was talking about a SPECIAL EDTION that will be after about 1 year pf the complete TACOS
an extra version with identical content plus animation made in 3D!
Tacos will remain available also without animation for free
the Special edition will be just an extra edition... and this is very smart marketing idea... not stupid at all!

in any case is useless to talk about the future because the main thing is that Tacos will be completed before the end of the upcoming next years!

cheers

 

[88stanford88]

Other games to write? Oh, you must mean rebooting this game yet again, right?

Christina!
If you don't know about Christina...
you know nothing about these developers....

Success he deserves?

he don't deserve success?
So you are a hater!

You can have things fast, cheap, or good. At most you can pick two, but never all three. Good animation will never be both fast and cheap.

I know very well this.. ddo you want to teach me?
That is why i just replay to your specific phrase about animation only...
the priority of this dev is precisely to be true to the time frame he promised his paying supporters and this story and so interesting that the Animations decided by Mirco, are more than enough to keep the processing time promised

The dev here has demonstrated that they'd rather make 'good' be the dump stat in order to save time and/or money. There's no reason to think that's going to change in the future.

here you are repeating yourself and still not understanding that Mircom worked on it for 6 years and is now devoting one hundred percent of his time to developing games for adults
and as said the quality of the animation that the author decides to do are in accordance with his workflow and promised scheduled time

he will release an update every month up to the end of Tacos.

Other games to write? Oh, you must mean rebooting this game yet again, right?

Success he deserves? What, you mean failing to tell the same story 3 times is somehow deserving of more success?

With these first meaningless questions of yours do you think you are making yourself interesting in my eyes?

I thought you would realize thati had caught you on why you were talking about animations in hopes of adding delay to Mircon3D's workflow by preventing it from fulfilling its promises to its paying supporters....
but look it doesn't work with me!!!
You are just making yourself stupid if you think this trick will work with him

Nothing says 'intellectual honesty' and 'I can handle contrary opinions and criticism in a healthy manner' quite like bragging about your blacklist. Looking forward to being added to that blacklist of yours I guess. It sounds just like Hell, and by that I mean that's where all the cool people hang out.

I can only add you to my blacklist
welcome to the world of the ignored people who write only repetitive nonsense

congratulations!

 

[88stanford88]

This new game lacks consistency in choice, but that's a common problem in games of this type. e.g. I didn't choose a scene, I didn't see it, but the game treats it as a scene that happened, which is hopeless.

Mircom already told to you this in your question-time to him..

remember?

15. So if I don't pick one of those characters like Martin, I won't have him. I meant more that if I don't pick one of these characters, Anne doesn't cheat with them?

They’ll still be there as they are part of the story but the “hot” scenes won’t be available. Correct!

And I have already explain you that this means that you as player will not see the "HOT" Anne scenes but the world around the couple still exist exist
It's not that you believe that by putting your head in the sand like an ostrich,,, the world and everyone in it can disappear , do you?
the story would be senseless....Martin is the father and dev can't make the MC an orphan just for you
the plot is almost identical to TAC but with better renders and new scenes never seen
The dev never says that he would be changed the world where this story take place and MC family components different, with just a single choice of the player (you in his case)!!

here

5 I wish they would act as a couple more often and do more together. Since they started operating alone they have lost the sense of being a couple has been lost and the game should be called "Happy Adventures of Worhe Anne"

I agree, I want to have them be more of The Adventurous Couple I had invisioned.

Tacos will have more of The Adventurous Couple that was in Tac
but maybe he deliberately ignored you on your "whore" I don't think just because you misspelled the word
I see you are using too many angry faces lately and I feel sorry for you, However you did a great job in your question time with Mircon

https://f95zone.to/threads/the-adventurous-couple-tacos-part-5b-mircom3d.7192/post-10190380
this is your complete great post!
reread his answers in your own post because I doubt doubt you understood his meaning