The dark age of Porn games may be happening sooner...AI Generated works.

[MissBumhole]

Oh dear. Seems like the Japanese cunts are starting to figure out how to pop out more games while doing less work, because the recent games that have been coming out are AI Generated images of sex scenes. And I hate it. One, because AI-Generated works is still flawed and when game developers rely on them, they can't get a consistent look for the heroine. Most of the times, when you get a sex scene, you only get one pose of that particular girl, and then dev will add in the cumshot over the AI-Generated image.

I feel very scammed and I feel like DLsite may pump out even more once more Japanese game developers who publish on dlsite start to cut corners and not draw their own works.

It's shocking. And I feel like this may happen with western porn devs as well at this rate. Right now, it only works well with rpg maker Japanese games, because they don't need the heroines to consistently look the same, and can have different girls with different scenes all the time. But what if AI-Generated works is so damn good that it keeps track on how the heroines are suppose to look. Then so much more people are gonna do that instead of drawing or rendering their own porn scenes.

DISGUSTING! Don't do this, developers. We can't start this era of AI-Generated sex scenes! WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!

 

[Glib_Gentleman]

There are already Western game devs using AI generated art, it isn't just the Japanese.

I see it as a tool to help speed development, and it is up to the individual dev to use it properly and put in the effort for it to look good seamless, and yes, consistent.

My advice is to vote with your wallet and time. If a dev is just being lazy and not putting in the care with their art or game, whether it is AI-generated or not, don't support them, don't play the game, and don't give them money.

But judge the work on it's own merit and not the method of creation.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Most of the times, when you get a sex scene, you only get one pose of that particular girl, and then dev will add in the cumshot over the AI-Generated image.

And what change exactly ?
It's been near to three decades that half the Asian creations are like that. The only thing that change is that now the images are AI generated.

And I feel like this may happen with western porn devs as well at this rate.

I'm aware of at least three games on the Western scene that are already doing it. And look at the many threads talking about AI that popped-up during the two/three last months, there's many who are ready to jump on the wagon.

And so what ? It will just mean more game to no play, nothing else.
With the previews, seeing that the game use AI generated images is not too difficult. And if you can't see it from the previews, then it mean that the author put efforts into its creation, and the game can worth being played, like any other one.
There's nothing that really change in the end. Most of us are already looking at the preview, deciding if a game worth to be played accordingly to the efforts put in the drawing/rendering. It just add one more factor.

But what if AI-Generated works is so damn good that it keeps track on how the heroines are suppose to look. Then so much more people are gonna do that instead of drawing or rendering their own porn scenes.

I don't get it...
Are you complaining because perhaps that one day AI will be so good that they'll be able to produce CGs that are consistent, to the point that we will not be able to effectively perceived that the said CGs are AI generated ?

What's the problem with this exactly ?
What will happen will not be different to what happened when the scene discovered Ren'Py, and when it discovered Daz Studio. It will of course mean more shitty game, but also more quality games ; the proportion between the first and second ones being globally the same than actually.

Well, no, in fact there will probably be a higher proportion of quality games, because good authors would then be able to also produce good CGS, even when they are bad artists. And the day it's text generating AI that will reach this level of quality, it's good artists that will be able to produce quality games even when they are bad writers.

I don't like AIs, and I'm the first to complain when people want to use them to make their games. But it's because the said AIs are far to met the requirements to be the writer, or artist, for a game. The day they'll effectively met those requirements (so not tomorrow), well, good for us.
I'll not starts to hate those games just because they are partly made with the help of an AI. It would be ridiculous.

 

[F4C430]

I feel very scammed and I feel like DLsite may pump out even more once more Japanese game developers who publish on dlsite start to cut corners and not draw their own works.

Just FYI: as long as the dev properly categorized their game, you can avoid AI-generated works by choosing to hide it here:

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[The Masked Man]

The market's a swamp of low-bar crap anyway, so not much's gonna change with AI in the equation.

WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!

Yeah we have for decades now.
AI is not the issue here, the fact that sex sells very well is.
Can't fight it.
As usual, start with ourselves by either raising our product quality as devs or by only paying for quality content as to gatekeep imbeciles out of the market as consumers. Won't guarantee anything, but can amp up the pressure.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Oh no, the oh so much lauded japanese porn industry is taking mediocrity to a new level?

Slow Monday

 

[dusty stu]

AI art is fine guys. Real art will always be at a premium price point. EG, Chinese knockoff of products make a lot of money, but higher quality products will always sell for a higher per-capita price.

As a coder, I can now make a much better porn game if I wanted to. My artistry sucks, and I don't necessarily want to commission custom art.

Devs have been using tools like Daz, Honey Select, and Koikatu to make assets for their predominately-shitty porn games for years now. AI art is not accomplishing anything new.

 

[Chalker]

Yeah, and it will end up like games using some scuffed 2d character creation thing
no one will play it because most people won't like the visuals. Who cares if they shit out 50 of them in a week if they made 10 dollars total?

 

[Müptezel Emo]

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Yeah, and it will end up like games using some scuffed 2d character creation thing
no one will play it because most people won't like the visuals. Who cares if they shit out 50 of them in a week if they made 10 dollars total?

I'm just sayin' we need AI-Art tag

 

[Chalker]

I'm just sayin' we need AI-Art tag

I think it would end up being the most filtered tag.

 

[nulnil]

Buddy we've been in the dark age for a good while. I cannot name a great game made in the past year or two.

Edit 7/20/2023: Nevermind.

 

[Crooked13th]

I'm just sayin' we need AI-Art tag

That's way too generic. "AI" is used way more than you think in art asset production, and have been for years. Long before "AI art" became a thing. Photoshop has had tools that use certain AI learned algorithms to patch or edit certain things that are tedious to do manually. So there is that.

Then, there is the fact that some devs are using AI art in a more minor way. Like concept art, and character design inspiration.

Others use AI art for background elements only.

Others use it as a foundation, and then edit heavily and add their own human flair and style.

Reducing that all under one single "AI art" tag will cause havoc. And will likely end up with most devs ignoring it altogether, because they don't interpret the threshold in the same way.

Now if you said, let's have an AI art tag for games that are 90% made with AI generation with little to no manual art production work, I'd say sure, but then, proving this is a nightmare. If a dev claims their work is x% handmade, how can you prove otherwise, from a website moderation side? It's just a rabbit hole of insanity at this moment.

At this point, just look at the art previews and decide if you want to try a game or not. And hopefully, most devs will be transparent about their production process.

 

[Trickstar]

People are making such a big fucking deal about ai art and it's hilarious. It's not going to change anything important. It's not going to automatically make artists stop making art unless they are bad, as any half decent artist can put out something better than the ai art anyway. Also frankly if ai art keeps evolving thats even better because if it actually becomes good it will be alot easier to make actual decent art for porn games and more. Also it would end up meaning faster updates and more content if it is truly evolves into something half decent. All you have to do is ignore it if you dont like it now. Honestly I have seem some actual decent ai art on pixiv ngl (even though for the most part it can be boring and bad) which is already a good sign as people get more and more familar with the tools to make stuff.

Also dont know why you are bitching about Japanese hentai games when even mediocre ones are better than 99% of the western porn games out here ngl. You can try to pretend they are not but thats just copium at that point.

 

[ZephyrCloack]

Seems to me AI generated artwork might bring a quality standardization, this will benefit projects that either have no art-work or never had good art-work to begin with, in that regard it won't hurt anyone.(might hurt unique art-styles of insecure artists)

If the Op is worried about game reskinning, that's already an issue even in the main-stream gaming scene, though the irony was the ones losing money weren't the consumers (gamers).

Now if you said, let's have an AI art tag for games that are 90% made with AI generation with little to no manual art production work, I'd say sure, but then, proving this is a nightmare. If a dev claims their work is x% handmade, how can you prove otherwise, from a website moderation side? It's just a rabbit hole of insanity at this moment.

I can't speak for that user, though that seems to be the gist of suggesting that tag.

Assuming the dev isn't honest, normally fans of a certain art-style end up developing an eye to discern the difference and since quite a few are artists themselves they could potentially flag it as 90% AI generated art.

Would it be chaos?
Well rule7 seems to have it's own chaos constantly going on, so i don't imagine it would be worse than that, since it would just be a tag addition or removal instead of a thread block.
As well as the tag it-self wouldn't hurt the project, the art-work would still appeal to those interested, with tag or no tag, so it wouldn't be a ntr proportionate drama either.

I guess haters could try to abuse it by reporting false flags, still that would just go to moderation review status.

 

[forzato]

AI is just another tool. People said the same thing about Daz3D, Unity etc. When the standard of entry drops you find more low effort releases but also the potential for far more competent and creative individuals to enter the market.

 

[Crooked13th]

Seems to me AI generated artwork might bring a quality standardization, this will benefit projects that either have no art-work or never had good art-work to begin with, in that regard it won't hurt anyone.(might hurt unique art-styles of insecure artists)

If the Op is worried about game reskinning, that's already an issue even in the main-stream gaming scene, though the irony was the ones losing money weren't the consumers (gamers).



I can't speak for that user, though that seems to be the gist of suggesting that tag.

Assuming the dev isn't honest, normally fans of a certain art-style end up developing an eye to discern the difference and since quite a few are artists themselves they could potentially flag it as 90% AI generated art.

Would it be chaos?
Well rule7 seems to have it's own chaos constantly going on, so i don't imagine it would be worse than that, since it would just be a tag addition or removal instead of a thread block.
As well as the tag it-self wouldn't hurt the project, the art-work would still appeal to those interested, with tag or no tag, so it wouldn't be a ntr proportionate drama either.

I guess haters could try to abuse it by reporting false flags, still that would just go to moderation review status.

Hmm, that's somewhat of a reasonable take. What came to mind immediately was the clown show that took place on r/Art on Reddit. In short, the subreddit made posting AI art a bannable offense, and subsequently, a mod banned a user for posting "AI art" because they thought their art style was so generic it MUST be AI art. It wasn't. The user had ample proof that it was handmade. But the mod was petty, stuck to their guns, upheld the ban, and told the artists to "just change your style". r/Art has been in complete chaos since then.

Now, your point is fair in that, at least in F95, this wouldn't result in bans or blocks, but simply in arbitrary use of the tag at worst. Which.. may hurt the visibility of certain games tbh, if they're labeled as AI art generated when they're not. But I suppose, it still doesn't rise to the level of vitriolic bullshit r/Art devolved too.

 

[dexter111]

Don't have a horse in this race and I honestly believe that artwork isn't the most important thing but c'mon, Japanese games have average art at best, so there's nothnig new here. If you show me their rpg maker projects, I won't distinguish one from the other.

 

[yvat]

AI art is still at its infancy. Quality and consistency will grow immensely in upcoming years. What we have now is just a start.

 

[BangB420]

Haters gonna hate, if it isn't ntr, it's ai art. Mods put up ai art tag plz.

 

[ZephyrCloack]

Crooked13th

Yeah besides just tagging the content, there should not be any other action towards said content, since a block would be censoring it and remaining tag-less could be seen as ignoring it's existence, though here in F95 users just want more content (since that ultimately could represent the increase of better average quality projects).

In context to r/art, i do understand why artists don't want AI-art to be mixed with their works, because of a multitude of reasons that shouldn't be require to be mention since the bottom of the matter is the value of a piece of art and recognition of it.
(my two cents on machine created products are, it needs to be identified same as any other product in market, no consumer should be buying something without clearly knowing where it comes from or what's it's made out of)

My take, the error there was to try censor it, though i remember part of the uproar of that i forget the particularities.

Yet my position in a potential dilemma 1- where an artist has an art-style, either easily copied/understood by AI, or 2- the artist intends to imitate the AI generated artwork, the simple answer to those circumstances imo should be to tag it AI-art.

Though in the 1st scenario the artist could arguably have no fault, it's a situation where AI can replicate it and it would require proof of creation from an impartial source (meaning an head-ache to prove online without an impartial existing process).
In the 2nd scenario well if they are imitating a bot they should be tagged as one.
(which would be another topic for drama, because potentially AI in the end will just be able to make much more products, ending in reducing pricing to shit and potential interest in the art-styles, while those artists will argue to want human art value pricing, yet again they would be met with the fact they have to prove it through an impartial process).

In light to those situations i can understand the continued chaos in r/art, since artists don't want to be tagged AI-art while others just want to exploit the market passing coal for gold.

In the end i just hope for the best, while consumers will buy it if they want it.