In the context of the scene, she was doing it because her 'idol' told her that his shows would have to be cancelled as those 3 were threatening him with withdrawing their services, so even though the 'rockstar' wasn't involved, she saw it as doing it for him, plus I think we all know that she wasn't that innocent after admitting to smoking weed just before.
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I know that's why she does it if you go along with the choice. Even still doesn't matter it's a shitty reason no matter how you look at it. I still see that version of Kathryn as her being selfish and dumb no matter what. Even if I gave her a pass for the rockstar her doing him a "favor" doesn't excuse something like that to me. Since it be a pass for the rockstar not 3 random guys couldn't care less if it's a favor and she sees it as doing it for him. which is why I never went along with that choice after seeing it once.
I love Kathryn to bits, but I have to agree calling her dumb, or naive, easily led/manipulated are all valid points. Still, where would we be if the blonde wasn't stupid enough to go in the basement in the horror movie.
I need my Kathryn to be as she is to get her where I need her to be, which is gangbanged by every male in the town
I appreciate that's not everyone's style and I approve of the many script off ramps.
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Except he doesn't, unless something has changed.I am sooooooo glad that Bobby is one of the good ones and gives us the Choice to avoid all these (possible) Scenes.
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id say he is improving at least this chapter was an improvement I thought in terms of choices
This is one of my favorite VNs, but the cycle that's happening in almost every update is getting a tad annoying. Kath and Luke both know they like the idea of sharing and exhibitionism. Yet the progress isn't really there, something happens kath get sad about it and the Luke has to assure her it's ok.
Events with random strangers can be hot but not when Lukes off doing whatever and Kath has no idea who's eating her out. Its more of a grape vibe than anything else.
How can we get back to the sharing/swinging type vibe that we all know Luke and Kathryn want?
This is version 0.8 but we still seem no further along than the first release.
Events with random strangers can be hot but not when Lukes off doing whatever and Kath has no idea who's eating her out. Its more of a grape vibe than anything else.
How can we get back to the sharing/swinging type vibe that we all know Luke and Kathryn want?
This is version 0.8 but we still seem no further along than the first release.
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I think this works fine as it shows trust and proper communication between them yes they do like the idea of it. I don't recall them having a proper conversation about it about what they are and aren't comfortable with. They just know they like exploring it together. This is why I'm not letting Luke have sex with anyone but Kathryn, since I do and do not know what they are okay with anyone else would be considered cheating for Luke. Which is why Kat is always asking him if X is okay and feels bad when she gives in like with the landlord on the webcam.
not just that it's fucked up and wrong which is why I stopped it right away instead of letting Luke watch ( tho he would of stopped it anyway)
I wish it was version 0.8 but it's only version 0.5 ( I know what you mean just being a smart ass)
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I love it, hope to see more of Clementine as she could serve as a medium for corrupting the girlfriend and opening her mind to sharing or full blown cheating if you're more into that shit. Love what a depraved slut she is, I'll be supporting this project after the next update because I'd like to see how long it takes for this dev to release updates with a new chapter.
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Personally i don't get why dev's feel the need to do a prequel showing you that the cute, shy and partially inexperienced girl they set up in their game used to be a slut before. I really don't like that and am not at all interested in seeing that.
Kath in this game to me is set up pretty well, being shy but still a little adventures and becoming more so because her boyfriend likes it and so does she. Don't get me wrong sometimes i really hate her for being so fucking stupid and naive that i want to slap her face but then comes along a scene with her that i really enjoy. Guess it's the writing and her behaviour during those scenes where she is always so easily misled/manipulated and believes every word some dude she doesn't even know says to her even though she should know better by now. Just my opinion though, still love the game!
Kath in this game to me is set up pretty well, being shy but still a little adventures and becoming more so because her boyfriend likes it and so does she. Don't get me wrong sometimes i really hate her for being so fucking stupid and naive that i want to slap her face but then comes along a scene with her that i really enjoy. Guess it's the writing and her behaviour during those scenes where she is always so easily misled/manipulated and believes every word some dude she doesn't even know says to her even though she should know better by now. Just my opinion though, still love the game!
That's the thing with 'Gloryholes', they are meant to be anonymous so you don't know who it is, and to be honest, there should have been an option to let the guy fuck her whilst Luke watched and Clem seeing him allow it, something else she would have been able to hold over him.
That's actually a tag that could be added if bobby plans on using the gloryhole area in the future.
Going back to the idea of a prequel, I think a good excuse for Kathryn's earlier exploits could be blamed on her father's death, but that would mean this games timeline would need to change a little so that her father died when she was 18, just after buying the laptop or on the same day even, which sent her spiralling in to a world of sexual promiscuity until what happens on that first date with Luke slaps her out of it, but she sometimes lapses when she's drunk, like that time with Luke in his friend's apartment, she can easily be coerced, especially when tipsy, not because she's against it, more because it gives her an excuse to do it.
Personally I like Clem a lot. I was on the fence about her, but the severity of her reaction upon discovering the interloper in the sex store made her solid in my book. Yeah, she's trying to get on Luke's nuts, but it's done in a seductive way, not a rapey way (as opposed to so many other characters).
That's because the narrative in your mind requires a demure girl, succumbing to 'temptation' through the advances of a guy. There are any number of silly japanese games on this site that have exactly that setup.
I for one am overjoyed at seeing a more realistic depiction of an average american girl. One that perhaps had some wild phases, perhaps didn't, but breaks away from this 1-dimensional mold of the docile innocent girl. She has her own past, her own thoughts, many unrelated to sex. The 'established narrative' you speak of is your own, and certainly not written in the game's canon. In the first few chapters, we knew little of her past other than her basic family and her relationship with Luke.
I can partially sympathize with this, seems like over the past few updates the swinging/exhibitionism/sharing stuff keeps getting sidelined by these contrived ntr situations. Scenes like the Alex phone call were a perfect example of where I'd like the game to be making progress - they're both all for it, why not show off for this guy? Just think, in an alternate world, the early scene at the sex shop could have just as easily played out with Luke noticing the guy while making out with Kath, and inviting him over to watch (or join?!).
I get Bobby has to satisfy a diverse fanbase, but the whole "gross old guy stumbles across Kat in a compromising situation"....I don't really think I'm reaching to say those scenes have dominated the screentime.
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Overall I enjoyed the update, especially the couples scenes where they were just doing stuff together. Like a few others, I felt the dad dance scene was kinda iffy in her reactions; or at the least it should prompt a choice or call past variables. All the other choices were good, the people complaining about the flashback date clearly made those choices for her
.I did think the flashback was silly in how out-there it was....originally the way I thought it'd go saw the rockstar guy seducing her, an outcome IMO far more realistic (and hurtful to Luke) than what was in game. As it happened it felt more like a carney sideshow.
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you already know its happening
she is the gf of this weirdo that watched them have sex/resposible for people in basement/previous tenant ....
and Clementine said to him on phone that she needs to be slow...
she gave her a coffee....
and is trying to get closer to her I think she will corrupt her into on of her girls and its her bfs idea
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To me it seemed like the dev made a deliberate effort in this episode to row Clem's character back a bit and make her more palatable (even if she still wants to get on Luke's nuts).
The phone conversation making it seem like she was a reluctant part of the whole corruption drug shemozzle in particular seemed like an attempt to mitigate the earlier scene where she's shown gleefully drugging and abusing a sex slave. It didn't click for me, but maybe it'll work for others.
The bit where she mentions (and Kathryn echoes) that some of the women working the gloryholes are actually there voluntarily, i.e. a casual admission that others aren't, was maybe less of a brag than she intended it.
As for Kathryn, I think the main issue with the flashback and prequel might be that it establishes a canonical past for her, against which her current behaviour can be judged.
In the current game (flashback aside) she is not portrayed as sexually inexperienced, she's able to throw down in the bedroom, but she comes across as very naïve about other people's motivations and dangers. The only way, e.g., the much-maligned scene in the park can make even a little bit of sense is if Kathryn has never come across anyone trying to take advantage of her before. The flashback flies in the face of that.
(But again, it may play differently for others and I'm not really in the audience for this game as it's currently headed, so YMMV. Just thinking out loud.)
The phone conversation making it seem like she was a reluctant part of the whole corruption drug shemozzle in particular seemed like an attempt to mitigate the earlier scene where she's shown gleefully drugging and abusing a sex slave. It didn't click for me, but maybe it'll work for others.
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The bit where she mentions (and Kathryn echoes) that some of the women working the gloryholes are actually there voluntarily, i.e. a casual admission that others aren't, was maybe less of a brag than she intended it.
As for Kathryn, I think the main issue with the flashback and prequel might be that it establishes a canonical past for her, against which her current behaviour can be judged.
In the current game (flashback aside) she is not portrayed as sexually inexperienced, she's able to throw down in the bedroom, but she comes across as very naïve about other people's motivations and dangers. The only way, e.g., the much-maligned scene in the park can make even a little bit of sense is if Kathryn has never come across anyone trying to take advantage of her before. The flashback flies in the face of that.
(But again, it may play differently for others and I'm not really in the audience for this game as it's currently headed, so YMMV. Just thinking out loud.)
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I'll confess - I had forgotten about that earlier scene with Clem, and so indeed if that was his intention it worked on me
- now I think of her as Madam of sorts, but one with clear boundaries.
I hadn't thought of it like that and that's a fair point. I had a knee-jerk reaction to those moaning about her not being some chaste pure specimen, but indeed, with sexual experience often comes more awareness, an ability to read between the lines. However - the flashback wasn't the first time she acted like that; several times she's demonstrated greater sexual confidence, so if anything I think the "naive to the ways of the world" character is incongruent with the rest of her, not vice versa.
I generally try to play her as naively as possible. On the first run, I didn't have her stay with the dudes in the prequel. But of course I did go ahead and play that route through to see what would happen. And I can see that taking place due to both her love of her idol and being younger and more easily manipulated and the way she was getting turned on also.
Other times though I do play her as being turned on so much she can't help herself. Like a deep seated desire to do stuff with her boyfriend looking on. Not that I really care anything about the boyfriend. Don't understand what she really sees in Luke. Anyway I loved the shower scene where she essentially confesses she really gets worked up when she feels guys want to fuck her and fill her up.
Only thing I didn't like was the glory hole/room part. Seemed way too contrived to me. But other than that I did enjoy the update for the most part.
Other times though I do play her as being turned on so much she can't help herself. Like a deep seated desire to do stuff with her boyfriend looking on. Not that I really care anything about the boyfriend. Don't understand what she really sees in Luke. Anyway I loved the shower scene where she essentially confesses she really gets worked up when she feels guys want to fuck her and fill her up.
Only thing I didn't like was the glory hole/room part. Seemed way too contrived to me. But other than that I did enjoy the update for the most part.
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Clear boundaries? Dude she is a fucking sex pest she constantly tries to get me to cheat on Kathryn.I'll confess - I had forgotten about that earlier scene with Clem, and so indeed if that was his intention it worked on me
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Yes it seemed that Clem was tweaked with how she was portrayed before. Even having Mr Seville treat her a certain way to change things around. Same with Alex the prisoner. Now they are looking to have some redeeming factors. I know there were a handful of people who thought Alex was the only guy they didn't feel was a total creep. So now hes been written as a more sympathetic, sad figure, instead of the first scene where he manipulates her into letting him jerk off. Bit of a difference from initially being like, Show me your tits and I'm gona nut on your ass haha.
Think the problem was that other than Albert, every character in the game was a complete asshole, perverted creep, rapist. That gets old quick and isn't too realistic. You can get away with that for a few characters or if they are one offs but not the entire cast. So some things had to be changed slightly.
I actually liked this update overall. Had a lot of fun scenes. They were longer and more drawn out. Better when you can build a scene up. Im not into the flashbacks or dream stuff though. While some may be well told, I think Kath being able to do that kind of stuff years ago.. spoils the current game and its meaning for her character arc.
I'm over the Kathryn and Luke dynamic. Have been for a while. Only one thing that matters to me now..... Rebecca! Nice final scene to set up the next update.
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I agree. I love sharing the SI but it won't be with a douchebag/creep/asshole.