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The end of patreon as a platform for developers.

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Do you guys think that Patreon will be used less and less by developers? I mean there is more and more censorship and more witch hunts. It is clear that it is no longer a 100% safe platform for devs and we do not know if SS will continue to be. I bet that Patreon will eliminate all sexual content in the future. This paronama is really worrying for this niche that is the world of AVNs.
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Adult videogames were before Patreon, and they will persist after Patreon.

I believe someone will create a new platform similar to pornhub, but for AVNs. When there is demand and money - someone will take an opportunity to capitalize on it.

BTW, what are Steam guidelines for adult games? I've bought a few of them on my account. And at least one of them has prisoner elves non-consensual "training".
 
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Do you guys think that Patreon will be used less and less by developers? I mean there is more and more censorship and more witch hunts. It is clear that it is no longer a 100% safe platform for devs and we do not know if SS will continue to be. I bet that Patreon will eliminate all sexual content in the future. This paronama is really worrying for this niche that is the world of AVNs.
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The guideline you circled has been on that page for at least 5 years, in some way - from 29 Apr 2019:
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The guideline you circled has been on that page for at least 5 years, in some way - from 29 Apr 2019:
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It's true. But at least in the past they gave the devs a chance to change their content, nowadays they close the account of some devs without giving a second chance (especially the little ones).
 

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BTW, what are Steam guidelines for adult games? I've bought a few of them on my account. And at least one of them has prisoner elves non-consensual "training".
I understand that they allow almost anything except underage content. so everything with school setting is a no-no.
 

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It's true. But at least in the past they gave the devs a chance to change their content, nowadays they close the account of some devs without giving a second chance (especially the little ones).
They just closed #20 adult developer without a ... well, without a third chance. They had a second chance when they were small 6 years ago.

The developers shouldn't have put it in to begin with, knowing it was against the guidelines. Why should they get a second chance?

BTW, I am not against second chances. I'm just saying, why do you feel Patreon - as a company - should offer a second chance? They don't have to. If they deem there is a reason, they might. The developer knowingly broke a contractually agreed upon guideline, If the developer thinks they are entitled to bend/break the guidelines - why should Patreon bother to give them a second chance?

You first called this censorship (which it is not) and a witch hunt (which it is not), it's just Patreon enforcing the agreed upon terms of use that a few developers are breaking. Now you are saying that those developers deserve a second chance. Why?
 

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You first called this censorship (which it is not) and a witch hunt (which it is not), it's just Patreon enforcing the agreed upon terms of use that a few developers are breaking. Now you are saying that those developers deserve a second chance. Why?
a dev they like got hit? :KEK:
 
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They just closed #20 adult developer without a ... well, without a third chance. They had a second chance when they were small 6 years ago.

The developers shouldn't have put it in to begin with, knowing it was against the guidelines. Why should they get a second chance?

BTW, I am not against second chances. I'm just saying, why do you feel Patreon - as a company - should offer a second chance? They don't have to. If they deem there is a reason, they might. The developer knowingly broke a contractually agreed upon guideline, If the developer thinks they are entitled to bend/break the guidelines - why should Patreon bother to give them a second chance?

You first called this censorship (which it is not) and a witch hunt (which it is not), it's just Patreon enforcing the agreed upon terms of use that a few developers are breaking. Now you are saying that those developers deserve a second chance. Why?
I'm not saying that they deserve a second chance, I'm just saying that as a platform it is not safe for them, unless you are a 100% vanilla game. ofc patreon only follows its rules as a company, the term witch hunt and all that is just a way of speaking, and because since November 2023 these cases have been seen and it has not stopped.

And yes, devs should know that creating a game with questionable content on patreon is moronic, I know that patreon is the platform with the most visibility and all that, but anyway, whenever there is a dev with questionable content I tell him to go to SS and thank god all the devs I follow have an account there

The issue is that in the future. We don't know if SS will also apply these policies, you just have to look at the censorship that has occurred on pixiv lately. I just wanted to know your guys' opinion on this, not to create chaos or anything like that, and certainly no dev that I like was hit (just look at the threads where I comment).
 
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the term witch hunt and all that is just a way of speaking
Right, but you do understand that a "witch hunt" is based upon the witch trials of 17th century across Europe and US, particularly the Salem Witch Trials. The term means that there is no proof to the accusations and are actions which are harassing/harming someone/something purely out of selfish reasons or spite.

It has no bearing, even as just a way of speaking, about the ramifications resulting from supported breaches and/or abuses.
We don't know if SS will also apply these policies, you just have to look at the censorship that has occurred on pixiv lately.
That has, is, and always will be an issue for anyone who makes mature content. Look at Playboy in the mid-twentieth century. Penthouse is another. Hell, Larry Flynt had to go to the Supreme Court of the United States to get justice about a parody ad that dealt with adult content. That's on top of publishers, musicians, and filmmakers going to jail on criminal obscenity charges that we would now find hilarious.

All this is to say, it's cyclical and it's ever-present. Anyone who is in the business or is thinking about getting into the business should do so with that knowledge.

Patreon, as a business, wishes to remain a client of certain payment processors, who in turn have guidelines set that Patreon must follow. Those processors are following certain pressures placed upon them by regulatory agencies and statutes. Those agency and statutes are set by representatives of elected officials and the officials, themselves. Those elected officials are selected by the electorate during the voting process. If you are of age and have not lost your right/responsibility (depending upon your location) to vote, you now know how to affect change.

In the end, in order for Patreon to stay in business for those creators who wish to use it, they have to follow and enforce certain content guidelines. As such, that means creators do have to steer clear of what is currently considered more extreme by the average person.

Do I think developers deserve a second chance for those who can show they were honestly unaware they were breaching their agreement? You bet!

Do I have any sympathy for those who do not get a second chance? A little, and depends upon the developer. A few know they are in breach and are trying to pull a fast one. A few others are trying the old "I'm not touching you" argument that kids use when they are told to stop touching someone - they try to get as close to violation as possible but still being annoying and eventually, they will get into greater trouble because of it. Those I have no sympathy. For others, a bit more.

However - all developers need to know that "I didn't know" is not an excuse. They should, before even signing up as a creator on Patreon, review and know the guidelines inside and out. They should ask questions prior to starting their page. They always have the option to ask Patreon staff review their content before making it available, if they might be getting close to the line.
 

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I'm not saying that they deserve a second chance, I'm just saying that as a platform it is not safe for them, unless you are a 100% vanilla game. ofc patreon only follows its rules as a company, the term witch hunt and all that is just a way of speaking, and because since November 2023 these cases have been seen and it has not stopped.

And yes, devs should know that creating a game with questionable content on patreon is moronic, I know that patreon is the platform with the most visibility and all that, but anyway, whenever there is a dev with questionable content I tell him to go to SS and thank god all the devs I follow have an account there

The issue is that in the future. We don't know if SS will also apply these policies, you just have to look at the censorship that has occurred on pixiv lately. I just wanted to know your guys' opinion on this, not to create chaos or anything like that, and certainly no dev that I like was hit (just look at the threads where I comment).
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Some one is start to call this pornpocalypse, patreon look like have enough of porn stuff inside the site.

porn stuff are starting to get banned! is only matter of time before the porn games we have here in this site are gona get purged to?!?
https://f95zone.to/threads/is-the-end-of-patreon-porn-stuff.14437/
 
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- they try to get as close to violation as possible but still being annoying and eventually, they will get into greater trouble because of it. Those I have no sympathy.
Like uber p*e :BootyTime:

Well I agree with you, I guess I'm just a little worried. but surely nothing will happen. It is true that many devs play with fire and get burned. These are things that I don't understand, especially when those devs are active in this forum and talk about their content openly and then they blame the patches and say that they are "unofficial" lol (the worst thing is that an infamous dev on this forum that excuse worked for him lol)

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
 
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Its good to know we do not live in totalitarian state were some absolutely unaccountable and unelected people choose what we can fap to.
 

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The issue is that in the future. We don't know if SS will also apply these policies
just a reminder that the SS TOS also forbids all the same things. so if(when) they start dropping the ban hammer there's no excuse. and it'll probably happen the second the payment processors tell SS to jump.

so it's not a real solution over patreon, as much as it migh seem so in practice. it's more like accepting a different level of risk rather than avoiding it, with the cost of a smaller company being less trusted by the potential donors (resulting in a much smaller revenue).