The end of patreon as a platform for developers.

[c3p0]

So, we use crypto coins as other suggest and all thing is solved.

Wait, that would mean, first get them, then find a hoster that accept them and also find a hoster that doesn't ban the content after their share holders or business partners push him or make our own hoster, so only find one a site that rent you space and an ISP and ... - Looks like it will work and is so easy, next time someone give that advice, I asked why he hasn't set it up already.

 

[おい！]

I wrote this in September 2023:


And now ~6 months later, there 8,046 creators of adult games on Patreon. Who can deny that it's the clear proof that Patreon is slowly dying...

Do you really think that the retards who start these threads, care about the facts or even check them first?

 

[Dogorti]

Do you really think that the retards who start these threads, care about the facts or even check them first?

Calling me a retard is a bit harsh, isn't it? In any case, I may not have investigated enough, yes, but the fact that there are more and more devs on Patreon does not mean that it is not a danger for them, which is what I am trying to say, in the last two weeks on the latest updates page there are new ones games with incest content and patreon pages, some devs don't know what the patreon rules are.

 

[Count Morado]

Its good to know we do not live in totalitarian state were some absolutely unaccountable and unelected people choose what we can fap to.

It's their company that people are using. They decide who they want and what content they will host on their site. As long as they aren't breaking in laws, they have the right to refuse service to anyone based upon any reason.

You can't simply go into a movie theatre in your hometown and demand they play "HOT MILFS FUCK FRATS" on their screens, either.

If you do not like how a business is run, don't use it. Find an alternative.

Why is this a hard concept for people to understand?

some devs don't know what the patreon rules are.

Some? Yes. However, it is their own fault for not doing due diligence to make sure Patreon is the right site for them. Most of the devs which include content in their games that Patreon does not allow while still using Patreon know exactly what they are doing and are trying to get away with it and then cry when they are pulled with little or no warning.

 

[Dogorti]

It's their company that people are using. They decide who they want and what content they will host on their site. As long as they aren't breaking in laws, they have the right to refuse service to anyone based upon any reason.

You can't simply go into a movie theatre in your hometown and demand they play "HOT MILFS FUCK FRATS" on their screens, either.

If you do not like how a business is run, don't use it. Find an alternative.

Why is this a hard concept for people to understand?
Some? Yes. However, it is their own fault for not doing due diligence to make sure Patreon is the right site for them. Most of the devs which include content in their games that Patreon does not allow while still using Patreon know exactly what they are doing and are trying to get away with it and then cry when they are pulled with little or no warning.

Look, I understand the devs in their desire for Patreon in some ways, many Patrons refuse to switch to platforms like SS for various reasons and many devs don't like platforms like SS because in the country where they live whitdraw the money is complicated (i've talked privately about this with some dev). In any case, I am the one who believes that if your game is good, the public will go to SS if they have no other option, but if you also have an open patreon, it seems to me that you are shooting yourself in the foot...

And I understand that people complain about Patreon even though, as you say, it is their company and they can do whatever they want, that does not mean that for some it is unfair, like the dev who was imprisoned for making a porn game, those are the laws of that country but that does not mean that it does not seem moronic to us. But those are opinions after all.

 

[Readerf2b]

It's their company that people are using. They decide who they want and what content they will host on their site. As long as they aren't breaking in laws, they have the right to refuse service to anyone based upon any reason.

You can't simply go into a movie theatre in your hometown and demand they play "HOT MILFS FUCK FRATS" on their screens, either.

If you do not like how a business is run, don't use it. Find an alternative.

Why is this a hard concept for people to understand?

Awful totalitarian state enforced censorship in "insert_bad_country_name"
@
Rightfully applied corporate policy from a monopolist

Sounds like helldivers2 advertisement campaign.

 

[Count Morado]

many devs don't like platforms like SS because in the country where they live whitdraw the money is complicated

They make the choice. When they get caught for having content that is not allowed, it is still their own fault. Not Patreon's. They decided to take the "easier way" rather than a way which may be more difficult but at least is the correct way. I get why they do it, that doesn't mean they should do it.

if you also have an open patreon, it seems to me that you are shooting yourself in the foot...

Agreed.

And I understand that people complain about Patreon even though, as you say, it is their company and they can do whatever they want, that does not mean that for some it is unfair, like the dev who was imprisoned for making a porn game, they are the laws of that country but that does not mean that it does not seem moronic to us. But those are opinions after all.

Life is not fair. People need to remember that. It will never be fair. It's impossible for life to be fair.
Developers don't want to be told what they put in their game. When they get called on what they put in their game by the platform they put their game on, they bitch about the company not being fair. They specifically said "fuck Patreon's want to do business the way they want to do business - my right to do business within their business is more important than their right." Developers want their rights and themselves to be respected by Patreon at the same time they had been disrespecting Patreon for a period of time (some for years). This isn't about being fair. This is about businesses who want to do their business their way (and should be done within the legal framework allowed). If one breaches that ability - particularly with knowledged and forethought - they have nothing to whine about when their business is removed from Patreon.

And, as for going off on a tangent with Westy-- It's the law. If you don't like the law in the land you live in, get it changed. Until then, anything you do which is against the law - you have chosen to do so and you have to face the consequences of that law. Again, choice and consequences.

Also, Westy hasn't been imprisoned, yet. I don't believe he has been sentenced as part of his plea bargain. I don't know, I don't keep up with it. However, he was quite aware of the laws of his country, and if someone says "no, he wasn't" - again, before you start doing something which is obviously questionable, legally - it is upon you to make sure you are not possibly breaking laws.

Just because a law is moronic, in your opinion, doesn't mean you can break it without consequences. The jails, prisons, penitentiaries, and graveyards are filled with people who thought the law they broke was moronic. If it truly is, fight to get it repealed. Until then... don't break it, or accept the consequences like a mature adult if you do break it. You can keep fighting to get it changed, in some way, while paying the price of your breach of the structure of society (as long as you are still alive).

 

[Count Morado]

Awful totalitarian state enforced censorship in "insert_bad_country_name"
@
Rightfully applied corporate policy from a monopolist

Sounds like helldivers2 advertisement campaign.

Again, it is their company - as long as they are following the laws, regulations that govern them - they can do whatever they want.

Same as with the developers - as long as they are following the laws, regulations that govern them - they can do whatever they want.

If the two wants overlap, the company and the developers can work together.

If the two wants do not overlap, the developers need to find a different company where their wants overlap.

It's obtuse to think that a company providing a service should not have standards which they expect anyone who uses them to follow.

Do you allow people to come in off the street into your home and shit all over your furniture? No. You do not. You only allow people into your home that you trust not to shit all over. There is an understanding between you and them for them to respect your property and your rules. If they shit where they aren't supposed to, do you allow them to keep shitting or do you kick them out?

This is not difficult. Stop victimizing yourself and developers.

 

[Readerf2b]

Again, it is their company - as long as they are following the laws, regulations that govern them - they can do whatever they want.

Same as with the developers - as long as they are following the laws, regulations that govern them - they can do whatever they want.

If the two wants overlap, the company and the developers can work together.

If the two wants do not overlap, the developers need to find a different company where their wants overlap.

It's obtuse to think that a company providing a service should not have standards which they expect anyone who uses them to follow.

Do you allow people to come in off the street into your home and shit all over your furniture? No. You do not. You only allow people into your home that you trust not to shit all over. There is an understanding between you and them for them to respect your property and your rules. If they shit where they aren't supposed to, do you allow them to keep shitting or do you kick them out?

This is not difficult. Stop victimizing yourself and developers.

Dude, we are not in the court. I just fuck around. Its just funny how same shit in one case is awful and in others is ok.

Yes patreon\paypal, its absolutely ok to discriminate against people with weird fetishes.
No "random_private_medical_facility" you cant refuse healing people because they are gay.

 

[Readerf2b]

Do you allow people to come in off the street into your home and shit

When you happen to own one and only working toilet...

 

[Count Morado]

Dude, we are not in the court. I just fuck around. Its just funny how same shit in one case is awful and in others is ok.

Yes patreon\paypal, its absolutely ok to discriminate against people with weird fetishes.
No "random_private_medical_facility" you cant refuse healing people because they are gay.

We aren't in court, but your arguments fall short of even common sense. You can fuck around, but you should expect people to call you on your bullshit. I can see your bullshit will just keep shitting up the room based upon your attempt at an example which has already been refuted in my previous reply to you "As long as they aren't breaking in laws, they have the right to refuse service to anyone based upon any reason."

Where it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexuality and sexual identity, businesses must follow suit, including "random_private_medical_facility" (btw, who the fuck types like this?). "People with weird fetishes" do not have a similar law in any country - that I'm aware of - if they did, then yes, business would have to provide services for them. But that law does not exist, so Patreon doesn't have to.

If you don't like the law, work to get the law changed. It may take years, it may never change. However, until it does, you're stuck with having to follow it or face the consequences.

When you happen to own one and only working toilet...

Look, I'm no expert on the shithole where you live and its lack of indoor plumbing - but no, you wouldn't let just anyone in to use your toilet. And when you did, you would expect them to shit in the toilet ... not everywhere else. If they did, you would kick them out and never let them back in --- at the minimum.

You think you're bothering me, however, I'm just procrastinating housework (thankfully not cleaning shit from all over, because I don't let people shit up my home).

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] but the fact that there are more and more devs on Patreon does not mean that it is not a danger for them, [...] in the last two weeks on the latest updates page there are new ones games with incest content and patreon pages, some devs don't know what the patreon rules are.

And how this can mark the end of Patreon ?
It's not because some idiots still don't know the rules that Patreon apply since late 2017, and that are discussed at least once a month here, that Patreon will change. At least change in another way than enforcing more seriously their rules.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Yes patreon\paypal, its absolutely ok to discriminate against people with weird fetishes.

They aren't discriminating against weird fetishes, you dingus.

They are maintaining a safe distance from content that can potentially cause them trouble. How hard is it to understand? No rape, no incest, no loli, no bestiality.

They don't give a fuck about really weird stuff, like vore, furry, scat, because surprise surprise it's not illegal to be a furry vore fanatic. Just very degenerate.

 

[lobotomist]

I'm curious, would having two characters be consensual about a simple handjob in exchange goods/money/whatever, but the player has a power to give pleasure (and pleasure only. No mind bending or anything of the like) so with progression the girl keeps getting bolder and bolder + the player has a resistance/stamina stat that makes it so that the previous handjobs are not enough to make the player cum. Ultimately resulting into sex. Could that be interpreted as against TOS?