VN Ren'Py The Fiery Scion [Update 23b] [Vander]

[Ramagar]

I would love to avert it and keep father alive.

The ONLY reason I would want to see him pass, is then we have the chance of getting with mom.

 

[harem.king]

The ONLY reason I would want to see him pass, is then we have the chance of getting with mom.

Mom is a top tier woman. But... not enough to justify best father dying.

 

[Ramagar]

I thought incest wasn't happening, according to the Genre description.

It would technically not be incest since she is not his real mom. She is the wife of the man who adopted the MC.

 

[e6mill]

It would technically not be incest since she is not his real mom. She is the wife of the man who adopted the MC.

The game is very careful not to call him her son or Maria her granddaughter. SHE had nothing to do with his adoption, that was all Athagan. I imagine in a society where harems are the norm they are used to keeping someone's dad's wife and that someone's mom distinct.

 

[HiHaHo]

It would technically not be incest since she is not his real mom. She is the wife of the man who adopted the MC.

which makes her the step-mom ,which these days is also considered incest(at least by most ToS like patreon etc.)

 

[e6mill]

which makes her the step-mom ,which these days is also considered incest(at least by most ToS like patreon etc.)

In their world it doesn't. She's dad's wife - nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Ramagar]

e6mill You made my point so much better than I did. Thank you.

 

[HiHaHo]

In their world it doesn't. She's dad's wife - nothing more, nothing less.

in the TFS setting it might hold no meaning but for Shareholders of subscriber sites like patreon it matters little how "normal" it is in the story narritive.
because they adhere to their personal morals ,value's & judgement ,which points back to what i said before the wife off your adoptive father is your step mother. therefor if you have intimate relations with said women it would be considered incest.
so please do never start a "This needs incest tag" in this thread or others because i could cause problems for dev's.

personally i couldn't care less about incest even in RL ,natural selection will do its thing with blood relatives.
aside from that i so no real issue with it. aside for it be cuck behaviour if the father still in the picture.

 

[Xathras]

Going through the new update and a question came to mind that isn't really related to the update, so no spoilers.

The Curse, does it affect all life or just the sentient races in this setting?

(Sorry if it's been asked before, I did do a brief search of the thread but didn't see anything that looked like it covered this question.)

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

in the TFS setting it might hold no meaning but for Shareholders of subscriber sites like patreon it matters little how "normal" it is in the story narritive.
because they adhere to their personal morals ,value's & judgement ,which points back to what i said before the wife off your adoptive father is your step mother. therefor if you have intimate relations with said women it would be considered incest.
so please do never start a "This needs incest tag" in this thread or others because i could cause problems for dev's.

personally i couldn't care less about incest even in RL ,natural selection will do its thing with blood relatives.
aside from that i so no real issue with it. aside for it be cuck behaviour if the father still in the picture.

The game has never once referred to her as his step mom. You're saying she's his step mom, the game isn't.
Besides that if Athagan dies then she wouldn't be his step mom anymore even by personal interpretations. I'm not saying that will fly with the trust and safety team, but there's little reason to automatically assume it wouldn't. That aside there's no way they actually play every game that they ban. Since the dialogue never refers to her as MC's step mom, and it's unlikely they'll engage in any sex content while Athagan is still alive there's not going to be any spicy screenshots to tip them off. The only reasonable way Vander would get in trouble for this is if we keep arguing over whether it's incest or not and trigger an investigation into the game, because we already know that Patreon trolls these forums to look for proof of incest. So maybe we should stop the clown show and drop this discussion instead of doing all of trust and safety's work and potentially sabotaging this game.

 

[harem.king]

The game has never once referred to her as his step mom. You're saying she's his step mom, the game isn't.

She is the wife of the man who ADOPTS you who is EXPLICITLY not your biological father.
That makers her your stepmom.
It does not need to explicitly SAY the word "stepmom".

Besides that if Athagan dies then she wouldn't be his step mom anymore even by personal interpretations.

This isn't how it works

 

[Elhemeer]

Whatever anyone thinks about the subject, the only thing that matters is what the P-Zone thinks about the subject, so all the "Yes it is | No it isn't" talk doesn't really help, it just gives more fuel for the overlords to add to their "evidence" when they go on their next hunt ...

 

[HentaiKami]

Whatever anyone thinks about the subject, the only thing that matters is what the P-Zone thinks about the subject, so all the "Yes it is | No it isn't" talk doesn't really help, it just gives more fuel for the overlords to add to their "evidence" when they go on their next hunt ...

Based on everything, i think Patreon etc... are going by the definition that if you're family, it's incest, even if you're not blood related. Since that is one definition of the word incest, doesn't, require blood relation for it to be.

 

[Sinnedfean]

Surely Avila alone would already be considered incest then wouldn't it.

 

[HentaiKami]

Surely Avila alone would already be considered incest then wouldn't it.

There is some slight wiggle room in it, for example if you weren't family at the start of the story etc... Also while Athagan does adopt MC as his son, it's more closer to the old way of how noble families adopted sons from cadet families or lesser noble families if they lacked their own suitable heir.

 

[Elhemeer]

Surely Avila alone would already be considered incest then wouldn't it.

There is some slight wiggle room in it, for example if you weren't family at the start of the story etc... Also while Athagan does adopt MC as his son, it's more closer to the old way of how noble families adopted sons from cadet families or lesser noble families if they lacked their own suitable heir.

You're both right ... in the sense that Patreon might not care about context and just ding someone for using the terminology that they don't like, but hopefully the lack of the i-tag on the page will keep context relevant.

 

[Bingoogus]

So, bit of a random question but i keep noticing it and it's got me curious. Decided to do a replay and i'm noticing in a lot of scenes involving feasts and dining that there is a strange kind of mess that appears quite often. Not just dirty dishes or tables being in disarray but, like, actual mess on the floors, puddles of drink, a goblet on the floor near it, random pieces of cloth and cutlery and food... all things i would expect the maids to clean up quickly, do the folks of Aetas just not care about such things?

Edit:
This is just a single scene but it contains everything i mean:

Spoiler: muffins and spillage

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Spoiler: spillage and cloths

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Spoiler: spillage and goblets

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[HiHaHo]

So, bit of a random question but i keep noticing it and it's got me curious. Decided to do a replay and i'm noticing in a lot of scenes involving feasts and dining that there is a strange kind of mess that appears quite often. Not just dirty dishes or tables being in disarray but, like, actual mess on the floors, puddles of drink, a goblet on the floor near it, random pieces of cloth and cutlery and food... all things i would expect the maids to clean up quickly, do the folks of Aetas just not care about such things?

i have noticed it the same thing,but i wrote it off as vanderer wanting to flesh(fill) out the scene more.
but you do make a point about the maids ought to keep things more tidy at such events like wedding party's etc.

 

[Bingoogus]

i have noticed it the same thing,but i wrote it off as vanderer wanting to flesh(fill) out the scene more.
but you do make a point about the maids ought to keep things more tidy at such events like wedding party's etc.

I thought so too, but i feel like the table in the image of my second spoiler more than accounts for that. It's clearly been used and abused during the party and that's fine and normal, expected even, but the random fluids right next to where guests are standing... someone is going to trip eventually, especially since they're getting drunker as the night goes on. Also, it naturally brings up a question, who is the dirty messy fuck making all this mess? "Oh, spilled my drink everywhere... fuck it" and then they throw their goblet on the floor? What an asshole, like those jerks who leave their mess at their table in a fast food restaurant or food court rather than put it in the myriad bins provided...

 

[CyBeRd0g]

actual mess on the floors, puddles of drink, a goblet on the floor near it, random pieces of cloth and cutlery and food... all things i would expect the maids to clean up quickly, do the folks of Aetas just not care about such things?

I noticed the mess too, but my thought was that's just a 3D preset Vander used, but didn't bother to fix. I mean these are cultured medieval people, not some orcs, duh