souldead341

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So, not sure if this has been reported as a bug yet, but I had Sammy realize she's pregnant and that Drake was the father all without ever taking a pregnancy test or even missing a period.

I was at the menstrating stage in the diary, and the next day when talking to the soccer boys it was suddenly "I'm pregnant and you're the father".

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned, but the current clothing systems is quite annoying. It may be better to allow searching for a specific type of clothing / store whejn searching the market. Say it takes 2 time units compared to just wandering to find upper clothing / lower clothing / underwear, ecetra.
 

mordoklejka

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i got an error while prying open the vent in heven
"I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
ScriptError: could not find label 'haven_storage_join'."
 

Asus10x

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Also, not sure if this has been mentioned, but the current clothing systems is quite annoying. It may be better to allow searching for a specific type of clothing / store whejn searching the market. Say it takes 2 time units compared to just wandering to find upper clothing / lower clothing / underwear, ecetra.
Hmm, partially agree and not, i wouldn't say random clothing sales are that bad (we play as a girl and we ALL KNOW regardless of the country of residence or nationality how girls LOVE [not "like"!] spending hours shopping, ha-ha). What i see as bad in such a system is that a player without cheats cannot find out at all what clothes are already realized and whether all the realized clothes player can find at the market.
 
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Beggarman

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To me this means the dev doesn't have a clue why he came up with so many stats and what they're supposed to do. This is the very base of the game's mechanics and there was plenty of time to design a stable and playable stat system on which to build the narrative around, so you don't have to resort to using game-in cheats to stay in control and the dev does not need to update the game by removing the mall or not introducing rent payments.

Why not simplify stuff if you can't work out sustainable relations between time, activity, tiredness, mood, confidence, fitness and intelligence? Or perhaps, the very idea of Sammy the Fixer's adventures is failure, misery, despair, substance abuse and multiple unplanned pregnancies? In which case, sorry not my snifter of brandy.
Have to admit, the amount of effort you've put into defending this stupid game is impressive.

The MC is a teenager, a virgin, who clearly has never had sex before. Currently too dumb and needs to go to school and relearn everything. Can't even defend herself against a school bully etc. etc. This goes a bit beyond of being "non-threatening", doesn't it? Sounds almost as if they want to use a child. And they clearly want to employ her as a "fuck toy", which I thought was quite clear from the Haven infiltration mission. As I said, something is really fucked up about this game's premise.

Except, that's supposed to be the whole premise of this game. The overview doesn't say "You play as Sammy, who is a school girl, naturally she goes to school, occasionally dances with her friends, gets bullied and molested by random people, works in a bar, sells off her body for money, and collects junk in her spare time". I'm sure some people would play it regardless, but that's not how it's advertised.
Just going to address these both together because I can't be fucked to do unique replies:
  • Not all stats are designed to be maxed out; Fitness and Intelligence definitely aren't, I'm less sure on the other ones. Confidence is generally supposed to be tough to maintain at first but gets easier as you go on. You are supposed to hit a point where exercising/learning the normal way has diminishing returns and decays back to a middle point. I believe the intent is to bring in training methods later which may need cash to maintain or w/e if you really want to push yourself to the max; However, right now I don't think the higher levels are necessary for any gated stat checks.
  • Yes, the game is supposed to have at least a partially fucked-up and bleak tone. I'm really not sure how that didn't come across, what with the whole "plague wiped out society and everything looks dilapidated" thing, and some of the haven outcomes, and... well, I could go on. However, if you don't want it to be so bleak, there are perks to make the start easier, such as the Gamine one. Or the Bambi perk if you really want to suffer, I guess. There are also ways to deal with the bullies permanently and avoid/reduce bad events happening. The issue here is that some people, y'know, enjoy the bad events that happen, so a balance does have to be struck.
  • Everything probably still needs more balancing but considering the scope of the game, it's kinda hard to do that without putting versions out for playtesting, so... idk.
  • I actually agree that I would have liked more story and missions by now. Unfortunately for me, the patreon polls went more towards fleshing out the life sim aspects of the game. On the other hand, this was a serious code overhaul and it probably would be better to get that out of the way before too much content was added.
 

AndyPandaetrr

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If I wanted to insult you you'd know. If you were offended by my remark about simulation, which wasn't an insult by the way, all I'm gonna say is that calling this so called game a simulation is the real insult to anyone with a slightly above average intelligence.
What does a simulation game mean?
The main feature of simulation games is to simulate real life activities, many of these games leave you free to explore the main mechanics of the game without getting too attached to missions or story. If in a game you feed, take care of the cleanliness, make your character work, simulating real life, it doesn't matter the platform or engine used to create the game, it doesn't matter if it's 3D or 2D, the game is considered a sim game.
 

nogling

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Broodmother starts with Creampie Lover, but not Baby Crazy, is it supposed to? Also, wouldn't Broodmother be a non-virgin start? How else would she know she is really fertile?

Plus she never said she missed her period I believe. She just started feeling sick but didn't realize she was pregnant, even when her belly popped out.

And is superfetation a thing? Because she got pregnant a second time while already knocked up. I think this is a bug
 
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AndyPandaetrr

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Broodmother starts with Creampie Lover, but not Baby Crazy, is it supposed to? Also, wouldn't Broodmother be a non-virgin start? How else would she know she is really fertile?

Plus she never said she missed her period I believe. She just started feeling sick but didn't realize she was pregnant, even when her belly popped out.
I will try to explain in the easiest way. Broodmother, Gamine, among the other choices that are made only in the female route, are from her past, before she suffered the accident and received the new body, still a virgin of a young woman. According to these choices, the first attributes will be given. Example: Broodmother, where she gains more fertility points than the other attributes.
 
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It is funny how some complain about stuff around the world. Look, if you don't like the game, just leave, you're probably not even paying for it. Just end the argument by not replying, the world does not revolve for you, it just revolves around you. Your argument will not be entertained due to the facts that you are 1 against many who enjoy and subscribe the game, not paying for a service but still demands more, and unable to accept a game that requires grinding for better outcome. If you want to discuss how to make the game better go ahead, make a constructive feedback but if you just complain then assume things will get worst if you are not heard, find another meal ticket. In the end, what you want is not here, it is somewhere else.

On that note, Dev did say the confidence/willpower was not meant to be managed as it is the "outcome/consequence" of your actions. Choosing Bambi as perk makes you scared af then the character is having hard time to cope with the environment. Choose Bimbo then you'll get subjected to multiple groping because you are practically showing off xD. If you want these "misfortunes" not to bother too much, you have to let it happen frequently to the character meaning grinding. If you want it easier, choose perks that actually you want it easier.
 

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It is funny how some complain about stuff around the world. Look, if you don't like the game, just leave, you're probably not even paying for it. Just end the argument by not replying, the world does not revolve for you, it just revolves around you. Your argument will not be entertained due to the facts that you are 1 against many who enjoy and subscribe the game, not paying for a service but still demands more, and unable to accept a game that requires grinding for better outcome. If you want to discuss how to make the game better go ahead, make a constructive feedback but if you just complain then assume things will get worst if you are not heard, find another meal ticket. In the end, what you want is not here, it is somewhere else.

On that note, Dev did say the confidence/willpower was not meant to be managed as it is the "outcome/consequence" of your actions. Choosing Bambi as perk makes you scared af then the character is having hard time to cope with the environment. Choose Bimbo then you'll get subjected to multiple groping because you are practically showing off xD. If you want these "misfortunes" not to bother too much, you have to let it happen frequently to the character meaning grinding. If you want it easier, choose perks that actually you want it easier.
I never liked the "If you don't like it leave" mentality. In every creative endeavor criticism, even when rude, is WAY more important than praise. You NEVER want to only be surrounded by yes men. Differing opinions are incredibly important. There is however a big difference between polite criticism, and just being a dick.
 

kidoman

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I never liked the "If you don't like it leave" mentality. In every creative endeavor criticism, even when rude, is WAY more important than praise. You NEVER want to only be surrounded by yes men. Differing opinions are incredibly important. There is however a big difference between polite criticism, and just being a dick.
I do think it applies when somebody's criticizing a game for things that are fundamental parts of it. It'd be like me going into a game where you play as an ugly bastard stealing other guys' wives and girlfriends and complaining that it has too much NTR. A lot of these complaints seem to be about things that are core elements of the gameplay. To change those things would literally change the nature of the game.

I agree that the game needs work in a fair few areas. For example: I honestly can't stand the confidence mechanic, I feel like I'm fighting it every step of the way and it isn't enjoyable to me. And the randomized clothing shops has definitely gotta go, or at least change it to being able to return to the store whenever you want once you find it.

But at its core, the game is about being a girl who goes through a lot of shitty things. People are complaining about not being able to avoid it, when the game is literally about it.

So I definitely think that the game should be given criticism, it will help it to develop. But if that criticism takes the form of complaining about the game's base identity, everyone is better off if that person just leaves. It doesn't contribute anything other than derailing discussion about actual things in the game that need changing/improving.
 

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I do think it applies when somebody's criticizing a game for things that are fundamental parts of it. It'd be like me going into a game where you play as an ugly bastard stealing other guys' wives and girlfriends and complaining that it has too much NTR. A lot of these complaints seem to be about things that are core elements of the gameplay. To change those things would literally change the nature of the game.

I agree that the game needs work in a fair few areas. For example: I honestly can't stand the confidence mechanic, I feel like I'm fighting it every step of the way and it isn't enjoyable to me. And the randomized clothing shops has definitely gotta go, or at least change it to being able to return to the store whenever you want once you find it.

But at its core, the game is about being a girl who goes through a lot of shitty things. People are complaining about not being able to avoid it, when the game is literally about it.

So I definitely think that the game should be given criticism, it will help it to develop. But if that criticism takes the form of complaining about the game's base identity, everyone is better off if that person just leaves. It doesn't contribute anything other than derailing discussion about actual things in the game that need changing/improving.
I agree on most of what you said. Except that the game at it's core used to be about a girl who is/becoming a fixer, a problem solver. As it stands Sammy has too many problems of her own to even begin solving anyone else's believably. Dev seems to have forgotten about the whole "fixer" part of the game called The Fixer.
 
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kidoman

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I agree on most of what you said. Except that the game at it's core used to be about a girl who is/becoming a fixer, a problem solver. As it stands Sammy has too many problems of her own to even begin solving anyone else's believably. Dev seems to have forgotten about the whole "fixer" part of the game called The Fixer.
You know what? That's fair. While Sammy having to deal with shit has been there from the beginning, the dev has spent the majority of their efforts into developing only that part of it. It would be nice if the next update focused primarily on the 'fixer' aspect.

The dev definitely seems to be reaping the classic consequence of being engaged with the fanbase: getting pulled this way and that. I know the patrons often vote for more development of the simulation part of the game, but at some point the dev needs to decide to make their own decisions for the game's direction or they risk losing control of the project entirely.

Fan engagement is pretty much always a double-edged sword, and a balance needs to be found.
 
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I never liked the "If you don't like it leave" mentality. In every creative endeavor criticism, even when rude, is WAY more important than praise. You NEVER want to only be surrounded by yes men. Differing opinions are incredibly important. There is however a big difference between polite criticism, and just being a dick.
yeah well as I said in previous post, make it a constructive feedback, not just empty cans. Even rude but constructive feedback is useful. If you say something is pointless, explain based on opinion/facts rather than preferences. The only reason I and some people would say "just leave" is because some the argument brought forth does not warrant attention. Here's an example:

"The game is bad with the Dev adding more stat functions in the game. I have to grind to have it better."

"The game would require improvements in the aspects of character management as these increment and decrement of stats takes too much time on character's navigation causing the survival of character to be extremely hard."

Which one would be more engaging as feedback?
 
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So the stat grind pissed me off enough to do something about it and going to the cheat menu constantly was annoying. Here's a cheat file that keeps confidence, mood, intelligence, and fitness at max. This should work for all future versions of the game unless the dev changes variable names.

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To install just drop the file into the "game" folder

WARNING: ONLY INSTALL AFTER THE PROLOGUE
 

helpmeplease123

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I see that coats have been added in the changelog. However I don't see any coats as an option. Even the school uniform coats are gone; it's just a white blouse. I used the cheat to see if I can find it, but still not there.
 

anon1010

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seems like there are a LOT of bugs right now, personally ran into a bug i think while having the male origin trait. My desire was capped at 350 and thats while a virgin with the male origin trait but later on in the game i found that after selecting a new trait to replace the male origin one my desire was capped at 50 instead and after losing virginity it was capped around 110. not really sure what happened and why my desire cap significantly lowered after choosing any new trait to take over the male origin one.
 

Wensber

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seems like there are a LOT of bugs right now, personally ran into a bug i think while having the male origin trait. My desire was capped at 350 and thats while a virgin with the male origin trait but later on in the game i found that after selecting a new trait to replace the male origin one my desire was capped at 50 instead and after losing virginity it was capped around 110. not really sure what happened and why my desire cap significantly lowered after choosing any new trait to take over the male origin one.
By default desire is capped at 100. You can see when hovering over the perk that male origin increases desire cap by 300. Being a virgin lowers desire cap by 50. This is where 350 came from. Replacing the male start perk removes the 300 increase making it 100 lowered by virgin to 50. After losing virginity you probably had something raise desire cap by 10 to get 110.
 
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dusty stu

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The point being? That I'm supposed to write something positive about a game which doesn't deliver anything of substance?
I would suggest that the main hook of the game is to RP as a waif using her body and wiles to accomplish her goals. One part spy-infilitration and one part life sim. The dystopian setting provides extra reason why using sex is the solution to accomplishing goals.

Being the sub adds another interesting layer. Trying use your body to accomplish your goals while not going too far in becoming a whore/slut is a fun balancing act. To the game's credit, a 'virgin' play-through is possible.

I agree that the stats need to be tuned better.
 
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