How's the pregnancy in this game? Has anyone here decided to see it through? Still undecided if I should progress mine since it takes 90 days.
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No, the system is not deep and doesn't really go much of anywhere yet, I think you'll be disappointed if you're expecting anything too grand from it. Now if you think Sammy looks cute when she's pregnant, then it's definitely worth it,
.I see, thank you.No, the system is not deep and doesn't really go much of anywhere yet, I think you'll be disappointed if you're expecting anything too grand from it. Now if you think Sammy looks cute when she's pregnant, then it's definitely worth it,
Yeah, thought there might be a child system or thingamabob or maybe even a relevant dialogue I might trigger afterwards lol.
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Well, someone clearly hasn't been following along with the lore that they learn from their school classes! Due to the plague that has caused underpopulation, unmarried women have their children forcibly taken away from them by the government, presumably to be placed in proper families where they'll have the best chance of becoming productive citizens of society. Now to me, this doesn't really make a ton of sense, because you would assume that you want women to be having as many children as they possibly can, so you'd probably want to incentivize them to do so, and forcibly stealing their children doesn't really seem like much of an incentive for the women who want to actually raise their children. Though it is a great incentive for women who enjoy perpetually getting and staying pregnant with relatively few consequences (...ignoring that being pregnant is obviously a consequence in of itself), which is probably currently the point of it. But really, you could still offer that without forcing them to do so. I think the moral of the story is that pregnancy and children systems are difficult to implement.
No, the system is not deep and doesn't really go much of anywhere yet, I think you'll be disappointed if you're expecting anything too grand from it. Now if you think Sammy looks cute when she's pregnant, then it's definitely worth it,
Yeah, the lore bit is a pretty good point.
But I would say pregnancy is deeper in Fixer compared to most other games, but the bar is pretty damn low, since most games reserve it as an ending. The Hazumi Pregnation game is probably the only game off the top of my head with more in depth pregnancy. Hazumi is given financial compensation for her babies. Probably wouldn't hurt to implement the same mechanic in Fixer, probably $1,000 per baby.
Working at the bar yields anywhere between $10-50. One round of prostitution can pay between $40-$60 on average. If you go commando during the dance girls route you can make $100. But things are expensive AF. It costs between $50-$300 per article of clothing. Pepper spray is $3000. Meanwhile, with the landlord getting put into the game soon, I expect more mechanics will be implemented to nickle-and-dime the MC along the way in the near future. A grand per baby would give your MC a moment of respite.
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Simple Days probably has the deepest pregnancy and baby system of any game I've played.
I know of Simple Days. That game is a fucking mess of poor direction and writing, but I give credit where it's due.
It's probably third deepest pregnancy mechanic after Hazumi and Fixer.
Main reason the children get taken away is because adding kids in a porn game is a sure fire way to end up banned from most platforms. Plus I have yet to see a game that adds the child raising aspect of it all in a fun and engaging way. Not looked at Hazumi since one of its really early releases though, should probably check it out again now it's complete.
Financial compensation was an idea I floated quite some time ago and to my surprise it seems quite an unpopular idea. Can't remember the reasoning though.
Financial compensation was an idea I floated quite some time ago and to my surprise it seems quite an unpopular idea. Can't remember the reasoning though.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure what I'd want out of any kind of child-raising system in the first place even given infinite time to implement it. It's a pretty sketchy idea to try to marry into an NSFW game in the first place, so I can certainly understand staying away from it. As for the pregnancy system, small pregnant women are absolutely adorable, which is all the justification this game really needs, so it's already a big success as far as I'm concerned.
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Check last DoL's big update. It's literally all about pregnancy and raising your own offspring.
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DoL is a "funny" thing, honestly. Their disclaimer at the game's start screen is literal rephrasing of: "No, police officer! They all are 1000-years-old vampires! Please don't arrest me!" while themselves being a total "1984" on discord.
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I've never played DoL, but it doesn't sound necessary to look into for inspiration because Fixer isn't a life sim and it doesn't need mechanics for raising a child. Whether the government in Fixer takes the children because the people in charge genuinely don't trust normal people to do it right, or they have a nefarious motives behind the curtain, the end result is the same: the MC doesn't raise children in Fixer.
Dunno what people were thinking to say financial compensation was a bad idea when Sam_Tail first pitched the idea, I wasn't there. Color me equally surprised. But I do know the economy used to be very different and it was easy to get money. That may have been the deciding factor, idk. A financial bonus is usually a good enough incentive for people with money troubles, so it doesn't break the lore; and getting only 1k every 90-ish days isn't remotely game-breaking.
Dunno what people were thinking to say financial compensation was a bad idea when Sam_Tail first pitched the idea, I wasn't there. Color me equally surprised. But I do know the economy used to be very different and it was easy to get money. That may have been the deciding factor, idk. A financial bonus is usually a good enough incentive for people with money troubles, so it doesn't break the lore; and getting only 1k every 90-ish days isn't remotely game-breaking.
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The lore suggests but doesn't directly state that it's an attempt to have an entire generation of indoctrinated people to eventually take over. The govt has basically decided to create obedient drones for the future. Can see some parallels in irl history and current day, but this is taken more to the extreme. The kids are not rehoused into good families but raised in large orphanages.
So with that, paying for babies would fit the lore pretty well. Though can't remember why people disliked it. I think it was because of the inhumane nature of it all.
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Ok, since you so smart taking about things you never touched I'll explain to you: The Fixer and DoL almost identical gameplay-wise, the only differences those games have is that DoL is more text-based with minimum visuals and with more extreme fetishes inside. The Fixer is much "lite-er" game, but with a lot of visuals.
Now to the "life sim" part you so confidently stated - they BOTH life sims: you live in a house, meet people, do daily things, earn money for various reasons... that's what life sim is. Maybe it's not like some super realistic one, but still a life sim.
P.S. And yes, I know that Sam_Tail want to keep the game the way it is. If you'd pay more attention to what I'm saying, you would probably noticed that I said "harmless" ideas to be borrowed, because there is some really good ones since DoL even at this moment of being ver 0.4 is WAY bigger than The Fixer already.
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That exactly what this game is. This game isn't about some narrative surrounding becoming a fixer. This game is about living the life of Sammy Bangtail. Waking up in the morning, showering, eating, going to school, going to work, paying rent, maintaining health. If this isn't a life sim then nothing is, saying this isn't about simulating Sammy's life because the game contains some storylines is like saying that LifePlay isn't a sim because it contains storylines.
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Alternatively, you could be an adult and just admit that you were wrong - at least about the "life sim" issue.
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Different people get different things out of games, I can understand that...but the things you described as making a life-sim game are like...the exact things that take up a pretty good chunk of the player's time in managing? Tiredness, mood, confidence, education, and fitness are all mechanics that heavily influence what the player can and has to do, which are managed through sleeping, working (even more so once we have to actually start paying rent!), eating, having fun, going to school, and so on: if you don't properly manage those elements, you literally start to lose control over your character. I really can't understand how one could qualify DoL as a life-sim but not The Fixer here. If it's an issue of characters, sexual encounters, and storylines...DoL has those out the wazoo and I'm certain many people consider those to be the main draw of the game. To just flatly say NOT A LIFE-SIM kind of just comes across as satire: I really don't get it at all. It's like we're on a different planet here.
So sexual encounters are an extremely important part of porn life sim games, so not sure why you used it as some kind of counter example.
That leaves story. Which is definitely not the majority the current gameplay at all. You have the intro, and Haven I guess? But Haven is mostly doing life sim stuff while waiting to investigate. And then you have the soccer team, which is just socializing and drinking (life sim), the dance club (which is an actual plot so far), and the photo club, which isnt much of anything aside some lewd images at this point. And a bit of the junkyard siblings. And while this is all great so far, the main gameplay loop is wake up, get ready, go to school or your job, maintain your stats, find opportunities to get fucked, experience some bits of story, get clean, go to sleep, then start all over. The majority of your time (after the intro) is not reading story beats. And I would like to point out that character stories you experience a bit at a time like the dance club and the junkyard siblings are a staple of the life sim genre anyway.
Also, read basically any of the changelogs and compare how much story has been added vs how many mechanics dealing with day to day living in this world have been added/tweaked. Maybe there's a reason it seems to be skewed completely towards one of those directions almost every update.
TL;DR: Story is not at all the main focus of this game, either development wise so far or in the current core gameplay loop. If it was, this would be a visual novel, which it isn't.
That leaves story. Which is definitely not the majority the current gameplay at all. You have the intro, and Haven I guess? But Haven is mostly doing life sim stuff while waiting to investigate. And then you have the soccer team, which is just socializing and drinking (life sim), the dance club (which is an actual plot so far), and the photo club, which isnt much of anything aside some lewd images at this point. And a bit of the junkyard siblings. And while this is all great so far, the main gameplay loop is wake up, get ready, go to school or your job, maintain your stats, find opportunities to get fucked, experience some bits of story, get clean, go to sleep, then start all over. The majority of your time (after the intro) is not reading story beats. And I would like to point out that character stories you experience a bit at a time like the dance club and the junkyard siblings are a staple of the life sim genre anyway.
Also, read basically any of the changelogs and compare how much story has been added vs how many mechanics dealing with day to day living in this world have been added/tweaked. Maybe there's a reason it seems to be skewed completely towards one of those directions almost every update.
TL;DR: Story is not at all the main focus of this game, either development wise so far or in the current core gameplay loop. If it was, this would be a visual novel, which it isn't.